The Frozen Templars

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Of course. I can totally see where you're coming from. But I made TFT so that if anyone wanted to come along and do what I was doing or help out with the idea I had going on, that they had the option. That's all. I'm not forcing anything or running some shoddy dictatorship here. Learn that.

It was not elitist and my first try to approach it was not well, but the general idea was not far from bad. EG: No racism, treat all members with respect, don't be mean to women, etc etc.

Poorly organized, yes. Bad idea? No. Get that straight.

Though we have rules.

Also...I found the "don't be mean to women" rule sexist.

Originally posted by Eclipso
You adapt because you don't run things around here. And your not setting it up as a choice, your setting it up as you running things over our heads and censoring what we say and we very justly take offence at that.

F*ck, more ignorance? Why should I adapt to everyone else? Do YOU guys run things around here? What raging hypocrisy. Holy shit.

Censoring? WHAT THE F*CK? Where do you get this shit?

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
It was not elitist and my first try to approach it was not well, but the general idea was not far from bad. EG: No racism, treat all members with respect, don't be mean to women, etc etc.

Poorly organized, yes. Bad idea? No. Get that straight.

Yes, it was a bad idea. An elitist bs project to serve only yourself.

None of your explanations add up, and right now I am going to smash your debate out of the park, AC style.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Of course. I can totally see where you're coming from. But I made TFT so that if anyone wanted to come along and do what I was doing or help out with the idea I had going on, that they had the option. That's all. I'm not forcing anything or running some shoddy dictatorship here. Learn that.

Bs, they didn't have the option, they had to be chosen. Also, the people you invited were not assholes. They were people like Lana and Irene, people who are considered to be higher-ups on this forum.

So it leads me to believe that yes, it was elitism, and it was to surround yourself in the company you believed you should be in.

Centauri dodges, swoosh, and that's the game. End the thread, stick a fork in him, toe tag the man, it's over.

-AC

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
F*ck, more ignorance? Why should I adapt to everyone else? Do YOU guys run things around here? What raging hypocrisy. Holy shit.

Censoring? WHAT THE F*CK? Where do you get this shit?

Originally posted by Newjak
Techinically he has something he could easily defend his position if he knew how to... 😬

Besides I would point if every thread on this particular forum needed justification to prove it's worth well the OTF would be one baron forum wouldn't

-NJ

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
F*ck, more ignorance? Why should I adapt to everyone else? Do YOU guys run things around here? What raging hypocrisy. Holy shit.

Censoring? WHAT THE F*CK? Where do you get this shit?

You claim your group will report things they feel are counter to a happy OTF.

If you want to run your own Forum then make one yourself and take your group there.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, it was a bad idea. An elitist bs project to serve only yourself.

No, there wasn't Elitism. I didn't order anyone around, control anything or tell people what to do. It was a social purpose on the front and the inside was a different one. The rule still applies. I still wasn't telling people what to do.

None of your explanations add up, and right now I am going to smash your debate out of the park, AC style.

You know what's going to be fun? Absolutely destroying your worthless debate. Watch this shit, son.

Bs, they didn't have the option, they had to be chosen. Also, the people you invited were not assholes. They were people like Lana and Irene, people who are considered to be higher-ups on this forum.

I called the people I invited assholes? Not keeping it open for joining was elitist? What's your point? So I invited people. Hell, Vinny was mocking me and such. I invited him. Plus, I didn't want the TFT to expand too far out. Your point is void, by the way, considering TFT is now open for joining.

Considered to be Higher ups? Hahaha, read what you post for a second there, AC.

So it leads me to believe that yes, it was elitism, and it was to surround yourself in the company you believed you should be in.

W-w-w-w-wrong! I attempted to invite everyone I could but I did not want it to expand all that fast at first because it was somewhat like a Beta. And people who came into the thread even asked for invitations and got them. I even gave it to those who hinted at it.

Once again, know circumstance before you chuck your half assed debates around.

Centauri dodges, swoosh, and that's the game. End the thread, stick a fork in him, toe tag the man, it's over.

-AC [/B]

Alpha awakens from his dreams only to see SXIII standing over him holding the golden Basketball trophy he just won the night earlier.

Originally posted by Eclipso
You claim your group will report things they feel are counter to a happy OTF.

If you want to run your own Forum then make one yourself and take your group there.

You're just repeating yourself. Sorry, I've already countered are your vague and useless points.

Originally posted by Newjak
Techinically he has something he could easily defend his position if he knew how to... 😬

Besides I would point if every thread on this particular forum needed justification to prove it's worth well the OTF would be one baron forum wouldn't

-NJ

He doesn't, he has nothing at all. I've proven so.

You're not making sense. Stop with the "could", "would", "should". It's about TFT, and it's pointless. Proven.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He doesn't, he has nothing at all. I've proven so.

You're not making sense. Stop with the "could", "would", "should". It's about TFT, and it's pointless. Proven.

-AC

Your arrogance sucks.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He doesn't, he has nothing at all. I've proven so.

You're not making sense. Stop with the "could", "would", "should". It's about TFT, and it's pointless. Proven.

-AC

I can almost 100% Guarentee that if I was in his place that I could counter everything you ever said and even turn it back on you to make you a victim of the samething you've been spouting
😬

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
You're just repeating yourself. Sorry, I've already countered are your vague and useless points.

No, and the mods and Raz are going to put a stop to this.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
No, there wasn't Elitism. I didn't order anyone around, control anything or tell people what to do. It was a social purpose on the front and the inside was a different one. The rule still applies. I still wasn't telling people what to do.

You're talking bs, and I've proven so. Your purposes do not add up, what they do point to, is the fact that it was an attempt to create an elitist group.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
You know what's going to be fun? Absolutely destroying your worthless debate. Watch this shit, son.

You don't know who I am do you? Still, your funeral.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I called the people I invited assholes? Not keeping it open for joining was elitist? What's your point?

That it was therefore elitist, seeing as the people you invited clearly didn't need to change their ways, as they were already well liked. Please continue.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
So I invited people. Hell, Vinny was mocking me and such. I invited him. Plus, I didn't want the TFT to expand too far out. Your point is void, by the way, considering TFT is now open for joining.

Yeah, it's open after we smashed your points to bits and made you run backward like a headless chicken, after exposing for what you are.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Considered to be Higher ups? Hahaha, read what you post for a second there, AC.

They are widely considered to be the more respected people on this forum, some were mods...or are mods.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
W-w-w-w-wrong! I attempted to invite everyone I could but I did not want it to expand all that fast at first because it was somewhat like a Beta. And people who came into the thread even asked for invitations and got them. I even gave it to those who hinted at it.

Hahaha, such lies. You specifically stated that the purpose was to give people a place if they wanted to change their ways. Two wrong things there:

A) They couldn't CHOOSE to.

B) You didn't invite people who were making this forum a bad place at all. You invited, if anything, the opposite.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Once again, know circumstance before you chuck your half assed debates around.

Stop trying to debate me and debate me.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Alpha awakens from his dreams only to see SXIII standing over him holding the golden Basketball trophy he just won the night earlier.

Funny.

I'm Godzilla here, you are my Tokyo.

-AC

Originally posted by Eclipso
No, and the mods and Raz are going to put a stop to this.

No? Yeah, I did. Go read. A stop to what? You have problems?

Originally posted by Newjak
Why exactly does he have nothing?

I can almost 100% Guarentee that if I was in his place that I could counter everything you ever said and even turn it back on you to make you a victim of the samething you've been spouting
😬

I can guarantee that A) You wouldn't, and B) How is that relevant?

You're saying he has something because you would? You're entirely different people, you bumbling fool.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

I'm Godzilla here, you are my Tokyo.

-AC

Well...Tokyo still stands last I checked...haven't seen Godzilla around in some time.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well...Tokyo still stands last I checked...haven't seen Godzilla around in some time.

They keep coming back, he keeps smashing it down.

-AC

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
No it wasn't.

Don't throw yourself out there just because everyone likes you 😛

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
That's the worst logic ever. It got bashed when people thought it was merely a social club and I'm going to release something this big? Yeah right. I knew I'd get bashed and I was right.

It's not 100% my fault. See? Ignorance. People mocking TFT changed everything. We were doing fine until we began getting mocked by such names as Vinny and Barker.

Actually, No. I never have. Ask anyone. Try to find where I have. I just never have done that.

He mocked us continuously and some of my members had just had it with him, honestly.

No, IT is not causing problems. The people against it are causing the problems. We have not generated a problem whatsoever. It's not helping because it's not being given a chance at all. Just getting mocked and bash over and over and over and OVER AND OVER Again.

I'm not making into a big deal! I've asked just to be left alone! If you don't agree with the ideology, whatever! Don't join! If you do, come on in and try it out! But stop attacking it just because you CAN.

Once again, I'm not telling anyone what to do. Just trying to give people a different perspective to make healthy posts into the forum without unnecessary insults or random attacks. It would make the place alot better if it slowed down a bit.

No, the split would never have happened if people hadn't randomly bashed the TFT, which is what the whole complaint and creation of TFT is about, Ironically.

It got bashed because it was a social club, yes, because you were only allowing certain people to join with the invitation thing. Did you expect anything else?

So yes, it IS your fault, because if you never had it like that in the first place, it never would have been mocked.

Actually, you have, and I found a few examples of you doing so.

Calling Ken ignorant and telling him to **** off because he didn't find you funny
Bashing and admitting to being a 'total bastard'
Namecalling for no reason
Bashing someone because of a thread they made ages ago and saying 'pointless threads are for retards'

Explain those, please. And none of that "they started it" garbage because there's always the option of walking away or ignoring someone.

Again, retaliating is no better than attacking someone in the first place. They could have actually done what they should have and hit the report button and not replied.

It HAS caused problems as the problems that currenly exist would not and could not have if the TFT was never created! How on earth can you deny this? Even if it had been done differently there would have been no problems because people would not have cared. But it was the specific way of doing it that you made that caused the problems.

And it's really not your place to decide what is considered a 'healthy' post in the OTF or how things should go. Leave that to us moderators.

Originally posted by Lana
Actually, you have, and I found a few examples of you doing so.

Calling Ken ignorant and telling him to **** off because he didn't find you funny
Bashing and admitting to being a 'total bastard'
Namecalling for no reason
Bashing someone because of a thread they made ages ago and saying 'pointless threads are for retards'

Explain those, please. And none of that "they started it" garbage because there's always the option of walking away or ignoring someone.