Why Must

It seem that

Odin,Dr. Strange, Thor, BRB, Silver Surfer, THE LT, Thanos, and pre retconned beyonder seem to just own anyone they fight with in thier power lvl from DC? what gives with that BS? Someone Even had The surfer owning Despero who has consistantly owned the Entire JLA who would be considered a GOD team in Marvel. Hell even REED RIchards and DR. Doom get so much play. Do you guys really think that these guys just beat every one in thier class from DC? You never give DC the victory unless you think the person is like far far far more powerful. And the only time I see an argument against characters like these is if it's another marvel character.

I have seen people think Odin can Beat the Phantom stranger.

People think the LT can beat Mxy.

Some people Think Micheal, The source, and the word cannot beat The LT.

People try many times to make it as if the Spectre is less than the LT.

People THink Surfer beats Hal jordan for a solid majority when Hals ring is actually more versatile than surfer. isn't that what people are always hollering when they say surfer beats someone? versatility?

I see people saying Thanos is about DS lvl in power when Thanos has NEVER had the feats of power that DS has. According to forum rules PIS and jobbing isn't allowed and yet people try to bring up DS silly situaltional defeats against him all the while calling thanos standing up to odin a feat instead what it actually was, PIS.

Someone brought up dr. strange being able to stalemate the IG as a feat but when i put him in a thread against odin, all of a sudden it's pis and he can't beat Odin.

People even voted for Doom to be Hal jordan. WTF

Things just seem shady around here. And I won't even get on the whole Cosmic Hierachy people just love to try and peg as marvel being superior. Does anyone have an answer Y people think these beings just auto win in thier wieght classes against any DC heroe in the same class?

because you should have been stillborn.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It seem that

Odin,Dr. Strange, Thor, BRB, Silver Surfer, THE LT, Thanos, and pre retconned beyonder seem to just own anyone they fight with in thier power lvl from DC? what gives with that BS? Someone Even had The surfer owning Despero who has consistantly owned the Entire JLA who would be considered a GOD team in Marvel. Hell even REED RIchards and DR. Doom get so much play. Do you guys really think that these guys just beat every one in thier class from DC? You never give DC the victory unless you think the person is like far far far more powerful. And the only time I see an argument against characters like these is if it's another marvel character.

I have seen people think Odin can Beat the Phantom stranger.

People think the LT can beat Mxy.

Some people Think Micheal, The source, and the word cannot beat The LT.

People try many times to make it as if the Spectre is less than the LT.

People THink Surfer beats Hal jordan for a solid majority when Hals ring is actually more versatile than surfer. isn't that what people are always hollering when they say surfer beats someone? versatility?

I see people saying Thanos is about DS lvl in power when Thanos has NEVER had the feats of power that DS has. According to forum rules PIS and jobbing isn't allowed and yet people try to bring up DS silly situaltional defeats against him all the while calling thanos standing up to odin a feat instead what it actually was, PIS.

Someone brought up dr. strange being able to stalemate the IG as a feat but when i put him in a thread against odin, all of a sudden it's pis and he can't beat Odin.

People even voted for Doom to be Hal jordan. WTF

Things just seem shady around here. And I won't even get on the whole Cosmic Hierachy people just love to try and peg as marvel being superior. Does anyone have an answer Y people think these beings just auto win in thier wieght classes against any DC heroe in the same class?

I agree with what your saying and can sort of understand your frustration but i think a lot of this stems from cluelesness and people not ever picking up a DC or Vertigo comic therefore not knowing the character there debating about. Besides must people on here just rely on wiki for their character assessment.

LT is far greater than Spectre. I thought that was obvious.

Although classic Darkseid could beat Odin.

pre retconned beyonder seem to just own anyone they fight with in thier power lvl from DC?

'cause there's no one in DC that can even come close to his power short of the actual Presence and even that's iffy. Isn't DC just a multiverse? Beyonder > multiverse so he could concievably beat DC's God. I might be wrong, though. I have no iddea how big DC is.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
'cause there's no one in DC that can even come close to his power short of the actual Presence and even that's iffy. Isn't DC just a multiverse? Beyonder > multiverse so he could concievably beat DC's God. I might be wrong, though. I have no iddea how big DC is.

This is exactly the BS I'm talking about.

It's exactly the truth, whether you like it or not. DC = Multiverse, correct? Beyonder > multiverse significantly. So, how is he not beyond anything in DC?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
It's exactly the truth, whether you like it or not. DC = Multiverse, correct? Beyonder > multiverse significantly. So, how is he not beyond anything in DC?

Mr. mxy far beyond All of the DCu multiverse. and DC isn't just one multiverse. the spectre described DC as endless overlapping realities on top of each other. And it doesn't matter if DC's god decided to make only one ****ing planet earth. That doesn't lesson his power nor does it lesson the spectre's power, Mr. mxy's power, the word's power. micheal demurgis power. Just becuz i draw a picture of a kitty cat doesn't mean I dont' have the ability to draw a lion as well. Ur logic is flawed.

endless overlapping realities...weird, that sounds somewhat like a MULTIVERSE, ya mook.

Originally posted by manorastroman
endless overlapping realities...weird, that sounds somewhat like a MULTIVERSE, ya mook.

actually DC is more than one multiverse and please refrain from calling me names. It's getting annoying for people to do that. Just be civil. How do you explain the fact that vertigo has many universes? Tanget, The kingdom, the infinite earths multiverses, the DCu animated which clearly mxy can enter. does this all sound like one multiverse to you? You mook.

Mr. mxy far beyond All of the DCu multiverse. and DC isn't just one multiverse. the spectre described DC as endless overlapping realities on top of each other. And it doesn't matter if DC's god decided to make only one ****ing planet earth. That doesn't lesson his power nor does it lesson the spectre's power, Mr. mxy's power, the word's power. micheal demurgis power. Just becuz i draw a picture of a kitty cat doesn't mean I dont' have the ability to draw a lion as well. Ur logic is flawed.

I have no idea what you're saying with your analogy but whatever.

The Presence made one multiverse and, going by on Panel feats, that's all he can do. People fail to realize that things like Eternity, the LT and so-on, they do have omnipotence and omniscience but only within in their own realities. Eternity does have all the power of the universe but once you are beyond the power of a universe, you punk Eternity. Once you get beyond the power of a multiverse, you punk LT. Because their omnipotence has limits.

It may sound like infinity + infinity and that's sorta what it is but it's how you decide these cosmic fights. A "god" who can make multiple multiverses > god who can make one, though they both have technically infinite power and are omnipotent. Same goes for the Presence. if the Presence only made a multiverse, he's below PR Beyonder's power because PR Beyonder has the powers of millions of those.

That's how I see it. And the wiki article agrees on me. It says DC is just a multiverse now.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It seem that

Odin,Dr. Strange, Thor, BRB, Silver Surfer, THE LT, Thanos, and pre retconned beyonder seem to just own anyone they fight with in thier power lvl from DC? what gives with that BS? Someone Even had The surfer owning Despero who has consistantly owned the Entire JLA who would be considered a GOD team in Marvel. Hell even REED RIchards and DR. Doom get so much play. Do you guys really think that these guys just beat every one in thier class from DC? You never give DC the victory unless you think the person is like far far far more powerful. And the only time I see an argument against characters like these is if it's another marvel character.

I have seen people think Odin can Beat the Phantom stranger.

People think the LT can beat Mxy.

Some people Think Micheal, The source, and the word cannot beat The LT.

People try many times to make it as if the Spectre is less than the LT.

People THink Surfer beats Hal jordan for a solid majority when Hals ring is actually more versatile than surfer. isn't that what people are always hollering when they say surfer beats someone? versatility?

I see people saying Thanos is about DS lvl in power when Thanos has NEVER had the feats of power that DS has. According to forum rules PIS and jobbing isn't allowed and yet people try to bring up DS silly situaltional defeats against him all the while calling thanos standing up to odin a feat instead what it actually was, PIS.

Someone brought up dr. strange being able to stalemate the IG as a feat but when i put him in a thread against odin, all of a sudden it's pis and he can't beat Odin.

People even voted for Doom to be Hal jordan. WTF

Things just seem shady around here. And I won't even get on the whole Cosmic Hierachy people just love to try and peg as marvel being superior. Does anyone have an answer Y people think these beings just auto win in thier wieght classes against any DC heroe in the same class?

I will be very truthful. I like Marvel over DC. Do I like certain DC characters? Yes. Am I biased for Marvel. Sometimes.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
I have no idea what you're saying with your analogy but whatever.

The Presence made one multiverse and, going by on Panel feats, that's all he can do. People fail to realize that things like Eternity, the LT and so-on, they do have omnipotence and omniscience but only within in their own realities. Eternity does have all the power of the universe but once you are beyond the power of a universe, you punk Eternity. Once you get beyond the power of a multiverse, you punk LT. Because their omnipotence has limits.

It may sound like infinity + infinity and that's sorta what it is but it's how you decide these cosmic fights. A "god" who can make multiple multiverses > god who can make one, though they both have technically infinite power and are omnipotent. Same goes for the Presence. if the Presence only made a multiverse, he's below PR Beyonder's power because PR Beyonder has the powers of millions of those.

That's how I see it. And the wiki article agrees on me. It says DC is just a multiverse now.

hence you prove the point. you don't read dc. you look ur info up on wiki and live by it. it doesn't matter what DC is now, The point is that the presence has created multiple Multiverses and has shown so signs that it anyway fatigued him. Just becuz the PR beyonder was millions of times more powerful than the marvel multiverse means nothing. Mxy is infinitely more powerful than all 3rd dimensional megaverses. and yet he is still below dc's presence.

Well, why is that? I'm just asking. Why is May below Presence?

And who's to say Presence could make 10 or 20 or a 50 multiverses? Its it possible? Sure. But we can't prove that as far as I know. So, unless you can prove it is within the Presence's power to make millions of multiverses, he's below Beyonder.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Well, why is that? I'm just asking. Why is May below Presence?

And who's to say Presence could make 10 or 20 or a 50 multiverses? Its it possible? Sure. But we can't prove that as far as I know. So, unless you can prove it is within the Presence's power to make millions of multiverses, he's below Beyonder.

The presence doesn't have a limit on his power. The beyonder does. He used up a vast portion of his power to kill death and then bring her back. While the PResence made death easily and can easily destroy it.

Beyoder also stated that he imposed limits on himself.Plus he erased multi-death,a multi-versal feat,he literally stopped all death,even the infinity gauntlet couldn't destroy 1 death.

Can you prove that Dc has multiple Multi-verse?We know that Marvel has the omni-verse,the endless Domain of infinite Multiverses,Cann you show Dc having more than 1 Multiverse? Can you prove it has an Omniverse?Wildstorm is part of the same Multiverse as DC and doesn't have it's own Multiverse.So proove it.

DC = The Combined Might of :
WILDSTORM Multiverse [bleed etc]
VERTIGO Multiverses
Sandman Multiverse [including Morpheus/Sandman and family; Death [cutie britches] Destiny Destruction, Desire ]
FABLES Multiverse
D.C. Multiverse [by the way THE QUEEN OF STORIES >>>> Beyonder]

DC Cosmics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marvel Cosmics in Power and Numbers

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Beyoder also stated that he imposed limits on himself.Plus he erased multi-death,a multi-versal feat,he literally stopped all death,even the infinity gauntlet couldn't destroy 1 death.

Can you prove that Dc has multiple Multi-verse?We know that Marvel has the omni-verse,the endless Domain of infinite Multiverses,Cann you show Dc having more than 1 Multiverse? Can you prove it has an Omniverse?Wildstorm is part of the same Multiverse as DC and doesn't have it's own Multiverse.So proove it.

The 5th dimension is NOT part of the MUltiverse. The DCu animated multiverse is NOT part of the DCU multiverse and yet mxy was able to cross into it. VERTIGO is nOT part of the multiverse and yet there are multiple realities in vertigo. And the spectre cleary passes between the two multiverses. The kingdom is NOT part of the infinite earth's multiverse. As the Kingdom is all of the else world's storyies and tanget comics. Nuff said.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It seem that

Odin,Dr. Strange, Thor, BRB, Silver Surfer, THE LT, Thanos, and pre retconned beyonder seem to just own anyone they fight with in thier power lvl from DC?

The list you've given is of people who tend to own everyone even from Marvel.

DC is abit lighter than marvel