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Originally posted by BetaRayBill
Seems like a whining and complaining thread. Probably from losing too many debates 😆

Originally posted by Kutulu
Well Superman owns just about every Marvel character that he is put up against, so it's all about the character and how he's written. There are few to any Marvel characters that can stand up against the likes of Ion for example. There are almost no bricks in Marvel that could take a win against Superman, except those that use magic as Superman takes slightly more damage from magic attacks.

H/P or Gogs War Doomsday would take out any Marvel brick with ease. The Flash is millions of times faster than Quicksilver. Darkseid as written by Kirby would own all of the Marvel pantheons put together, it was the DC writers that decided to depower him, don't blame the forum regulars for judging Darkseid based upon how he's currently written.

In regards to your Thanos hate, yes he has feats to back it up. He has taken over the Marvel 616 universe several times, and even taken control of the Marvel multiverse once with the HOTI. He is one of the most durable non-cosmic characters to have ever lived. That is why he is on par with how Darkseid is currently written. Darkseid clearly took the lead when he obtained the ALE, but before that they were on par. If Thanos had really wanted to, he could still be in total control of the Marvel 616 universe as well as the multiverse which contains it, however he didn't feel like he really wanted to keep it so let go of that power.

Your an idiot if you think I hate thanos. I have said time and again I don't hate thanos but I hate the way people seem to forget that he has extenuation circumstance to most of his victories. Please don't be a tard and tell me who I hate. I have said the same thing about Superman's victories over people he shouldn't be able to beat.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
From what I gather, fanboyism plays a big part and alot of people simply DO NOT READ DC. Your insults can take a back seat as we try and engage in a thought discussion.

So only people who read Marvel comics are fanboys! There are plenty of DC fanboys on here as well. You included.

Originally posted by tdawg14
Wah! Nvr, you bring up the fact that in Last Planet Standing, the LT got owned by Reed which is non-canon. But I've also seen posters use Darkseid vs. Galactus the Hunger as an example against you. In that comic, Darkseid uses the OE on Galactus who just stands there like nothing happened and then blasts the hell out of him. Also, the Surfer completely owns Orion to the point that Orion suffers near fatal injuries and regards Orion as nothing more than an annoyance. But to you, that was non-canon. Make up your mind bro. There are DC characters that beat Marvel characters and Marvel characters that beat DC characters. It does not seem to be that way in your eyes though. I admit that I read more Marvel than DC and the Silver Surfer is my favorite character, but their are a fair number of characters in DC that take a majority against him. Hal Jordan or any GL save for Ion or Parallax does not take a majority against him though.

Actually THere is only one LT who is the Multiversal guardian. So Even tho the book is non cannon to the 616, IT's cannon to The LT. Please dont' tell me to make up my mind and you haven't even really thought about my argument. As for the Hunger cross over, to me it looks like galactus was getting erased and over powered the OE. Also notice that DS gets blasted and gets back up. Not many beings in comics is taking an angry blast from Galactus and getting back up. Even vuanted thanos had a shield on him and was still begging for his life. As far as the GL, your saying that Hal doesn't take a majority when on average a GL has shown to be superior and more versatile than surfer. And Gl's aren't the only characters from DC that can whip surfer who aren't sky fathers. Auron, Wave Rider, and Infinity man come to mind.

Originally posted by tdawg14
So only people who read Marvel comics are fanboys! There are plenty of DC fanboys on here as well. You included.

Except I read plenty plenty of marvel and DC. I always have.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually THere is only one LT who is the Multiversal guardian. So Even tho the book is non cannon to the 616, IT's cannon to The LT. Please dont' tell me to make up my mind and you haven't even really thought about my argument. As for the Hunger cross over, to me it looks like galactus was getting erased and over powered the OE. Also notice that DS gets blasted and gets back up. Not many beings in comics is taking an angry blast from Galactus and getting back up. Even vuanted thanos had a shield on him and was still begging for his life. As far as the GL, your saying that Hal doesn't take a majority when on average a GL has shown to be superior and more versatile than surfer. And Gl's aren't the only characters from DC that can whip surfer who aren't sky fathers. Auron, Wave Rider, and Infinity man come to mind.

Like I said, there are DC characters who can take SS. I agree with the examples you listed. Not so sure about the Infinity Man though. I could see that one go either way. The OE did nothing at all to Big G. Yes, Darkseid did get up but he got blasted through a friggin wall. And I've seen morons on here that suggest that DS can take Galactus. On DS best day and Galactus worst, Big G still stomps Darkseid. I do not agree with you on the GL's Although they are tremendously powerful, they are not on the level of SS.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Except I read plenty plenty of marvel and DC. I always have.

I never said you did not read Marvel. You are just very bias towards DC. I posted a fight the other day between Maxam from the Infinty Watch and Martian Manhunter. Your response was that MM mindrapes Maxam. If you knew much about Marvel, you would know that Maxam is immune to telepathy. Thats not to say that MM cant take Maxam, but not in that manner.

Originally posted by tdawg14
Like I said, there are DC characters who can take SS. I agree with the examples you listed. Not so sure about the Infinity Man though. I could see that one go either way. The OE did nothing at all to Big G. Yes, Darkseid did get up but he got blasted through a friggin wall. And I've seen morons on here that suggest that DS can take Galactus. On DS best day and Galactus worst, Big G still stomps Darkseid. I do not agree with you on the GL's Although they are tremendously powerful, they are not on the level of SS.

Hal jordan's feats trump surfer's feat. Simple as that. many of Kyle's feats do as well. I have never said that DS can beat Galactus. Now if it was the way kirby wrote them, it would be a tie. DS to me more powerful than ODin but less powerful than A very well fed Galactus. Yugah Khan However could match galactus easily. As Far as the OE in the story doing nothing, The OE had the same vanishing lines it has when working on people. The same ones where drawn on the Spectre when DS hurt him with the OE. SO I take it if DS can hurt the Spectre who is infinitely more powerful than Big G, then BIg very well could have been getting erased but simply willed himself back.

Originally posted by tdawg14
I never said you did not read Marvel. You are just very bias towards DC. I posted a fight the other day between Maxam from the Infinty Watch and Martian Manhunter. Your response was that MM mindrapes Maxam. If you knew much about Marvel, you would know that Maxam is immune to telepathy. Thats not to say that MM cant take Maxam, but not in that manner.

THen all you had to do was say that mind rape is not an option. I dont' think a brick with one trick can beat MM. Too many other powers. I'd still give it to MM based on all of his power set.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THen all you had to do was say that mind rape is not an option. I dont' think a brick with one trick can beat MM. Too many other powers. I'd still give it to MM based on all of his power set.

Why should I have to let you know that was not an option? If you are not sure on the powerset of an individual in a fight, you should not comment. I do think MM would take a majority, but he would have a hard time doing so. Thats what this forum is for, to find out why someone thinks their character can win.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Hal jordan's feats trump surfer's feat. Simple as that. many of Kyle's feats do as well. I have never said that DS can beat Galactus. Now if it was the way kirby wrote them, it would be a tie. DS to me more powerful than ODin but less powerful than A very well fed Galactus. Yugah Khan However could match galactus easily. As Far as the OE in the story doing nothing, The OE had the same vanishing lines it has when working on people. The same ones where drawn on the Spectre when DS hurt him with the OE. SO I take it if DS can hurt the Spectre who is infinitely more powerful than Big G, then BIg very well could have been getting erased but simply willed himself back.

I will just continue to disagree with you about the GL's. While they are very powerful, they are not the SS. Kirby writing him or not, DS is no match for a well written Galactus. End of story there.

Originally posted by tdawg14
Why should I have to let you know that was not an option? If you are not sure on the powerset of an individual in a fight, you should not comment. I do think MM would take a majority, but he would have a hard time doing so. Thats what this forum is for, to find out why someone thinks their character can win.

If someone says an option for a win, then it's up to you to counter. your saying you should have to tell me is silly. Not everyone can read every single comic and know everything about every character. You should have to let me know it's not an option if I present it in debate.

Originally posted by tdawg14
I will just continue to disagree with you about the GL's. While they are very powerful, they are not the SS. Kirby writing him or not, DS is no match for a well written Galactus. End of story there.

Actually yes Kirby who wrote both of them, created them to be equals. Actually it doesn't even make sense that Big was bigger than DS in the Hunger as DS is a promethean Giant and many times more powerful in his true form as learned by Earth angel supergirl AND superman when he saw how small the universe was to the new gods.

Originally posted by BetaRayBill
Seems like a whining and complaining thread. Probably from losing too many debates 😆

^^ LOL sad but true. nopity

Originally posted by Kutulu
^^ LOL sad but true. nopity

Get lost chump. it's not a whining and complaining thread. it's about showing people's true colors. THey think these certain marvel characters are the winners in any thread against any DC character.

Originally posted by BetaRayBill
Seems like a whining and complaining thread. Probably from losing too many debates 😆

Originally posted by Kutulu
^^ LOL sad but true. nopity

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually yes Kirby who wrote both of them, created them to be equals. Actually it doesn't even make sense that Big was bigger than DS in the Hunger as DS is a promethean Giant and many times more powerful in his true form as learned by Earth angel supergirl AND superman when he saw how small the universe was to the new gods.

This is why forum goers refer to "Kirby Darkseid" and "post-Kirby Darkseid", because other writers at DC decided for whatever reason to de-power him. Why, I have no clue.

Properly written there is no way Superman should have been able to deflect Darkseid's Omega beams with his heat vision for example.

When you refer to Kirby Darkseid, he would easily place above Marvel Odin. I would say it would place him at the level of a Celestial even. Current Darkseid as written, I would place him at or slightly under skyfather level. When he lost to Superman, well, that's when he was lowered to Thanos level IMHO. Thanos has had showings also that boosted him up, this is why they are pretty much even for a while, Darkseid pulling ahead with the ALE. We don't know where Thanos stands now for instance now that he has died and has finally paired with Death.

Originally posted by Kutulu
This is why forum goers refer to "Kirby Darkseid" and "post-Kirby Darkseid", because other writers at DC decided for whatever reason to de-power him. Why, I have no clue.

Properly written there is no way Superman should have been able to deflect Darkseid's Omega beams with his heat vision for example.

When you refer to Kirby Darkseid, he would easily place above Marvel Odin. I would say it would place him at the level of a Celestial even. Current Darkseid as written, I would place him at or slightly under skyfather level. When he lost to Superman, well, that's when he was lowered to Thanos level IMHO. Thanos has had showings also that boosted him up, this is why they are pretty much even for a while, Darkseid pulling ahead with the ALE. We don't know where Thanos stands now for instance now that he has died and has finally paired with Death.

If you go to a number of the bigger comic boards with older members you'll see how wrong this badly written post is. This forums children are funny.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It seem that

Odin,Dr. Strange, Thor, BRB, Silver Surfer, THE LT, Thanos, and pre retconned beyonder seem to just own anyone they fight with in thier power lvl from DC? what gives with that BS? Someone Even had The surfer owning Despero who has consistantly owned the Entire JLA who would be considered a GOD team in Marvel. Hell even REED RIchards and DR. Doom get so much play. Do you guys really think that these guys just beat every one in thier class from DC? You never give DC the victory unless you think the person is like far far far more powerful. And the only time I see an argument against characters like these is if it's another marvel character.

I have seen people think Odin can Beat the Phantom stranger.

People think the LT can beat Mxy.

Some people Think Micheal, The source, and the word cannot beat The LT.

People try many times to make it as if the Spectre is less than the LT.

People THink Surfer beats Hal jordan for a solid majority when Hals ring is actually more versatile than surfer. isn't that what people are always hollering when they say surfer beats someone? versatility?

I see people saying Thanos is about DS lvl in power when Thanos has NEVER had the feats of power that DS has. According to forum rules PIS and jobbing isn't allowed and yet people try to bring up DS silly situaltional defeats against him all the while calling thanos standing up to odin a feat instead what it actually was, PIS.

Someone brought up dr. strange being able to stalemate the IG as a feat but when i put him in a thread against odin, all of a sudden it's pis and he can't beat Odin.

People even voted for Doom to be Hal jordan. WTF

Things just seem shady around here. And I won't even get on the whole Cosmic Hierachy people just love to try and peg as marvel being superior. Does anyone have an answer Y people think these beings just auto win in thier wieght classes against any DC heroe in the same class?

As Dwarf already said, it is fanboyism, and though it exist for all factions, on this forum it is for the large part biased for Marvel.

Originally posted by The Libertine
If you go to a number of the bigger comic boards with older members you'll see how wrong this badly written post is. This forums children are funny.

Go away SOCK. Just post under one ID instead of creating a new one every week. Until you just post under your real main identity you are to be ignored. As usual your comment is idiotic and meaningless.

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