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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It seem that
Odin,Dr. Strange, Thor, BRB, Silver Surfer, THE LT, Thanos, and pre retconned beyonder seem to just own anyone they fight...

Years ago I was strictly a Marvel fan; now I enjoy DC much more. But both have been guilty of unfettered (and frankly, annoying) one-upmanship for quite a while now. As far as I'm concerned, there are waayyy too many abstracts/infinites/ultimates/universe-killers/planet-blower-uppers/whatever running around both supermultiverses, inspiring rampant PIS, CIS, jobbing and the ever-popular "holding back" scenario.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Someone Even had The surfer owning Despero who has consistantly owned the Entire JLA who would be considered a GOD team in Marvel.

DC = The Combined Might of :
WILDSTORM Multiverse [bleed etc]
VERTIGO Multiverses
Sandman Multiverse [including Morpheus/Sandman and family; Death [cutie britches] Destiny Destruction, Desire ]
FABLES Multiverse
D.C. Multiverse [by the way THE QUEEN OF STORIES >>>> Beyonder]

DC Cosmics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marvel Cosmics in Power and Numbers

You need an infinite number of multiverses to compete with Marvel.
And you need the power of millions of them to compete with Beyonder...and this is a Beyonder with limitations on his power.

TOAA, by virtue of creating and ruling an infinite number of multiverses, is stronger than Presence. LT exists in these infinite number of multiverses simulaneously. Each multiverse has its own Multi-Eternity and an infinite number of Galactuses, regular Eternities and so-on.

So, what we have is Marvel sporting a God stronger than Presence and armed with an infinite number of multiverses, each possessing infinite numbers of Galactuses and other beings. With LT existing in all of this.

Beyonder, WITH limits, is millions of times stronger than a multiverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It seem that

Odin,Dr. Strange, Thor, BRB, Silver Surfer, THE LT, Thanos, and pre retconned beyonder seem to just own anyone they fight with in thier power lvl from DC? what gives with that BS? Someone Even had The surfer owning Despero who has consistantly owned the Entire JLA who would be considered a GOD team in Marvel. Hell even REED RIchards and DR. Doom get so much play. Do you guys really think that these guys just beat every one in thier class from DC? You never give DC the victory unless you think the person is like far far far more powerful. And the only time I see an argument against characters like these is if it's another marvel character.

I have seen people think Odin can Beat the Phantom stranger.

People think the LT can beat Mxy.

Some people Think Micheal, The source, and the word cannot beat The LT.

People try many times to make it as if the Spectre is less than the LT.

People THink Surfer beats Hal jordan for a solid majority when Hals ring is actually more versatile than surfer. isn't that what people are always hollering when they say surfer beats someone? versatility?

I see people saying Thanos is about DS lvl in power when Thanos has NEVER had the feats of power that DS has. According to forum rules PIS and jobbing isn't allowed and yet people try to bring up DS silly situaltional defeats against him all the while calling thanos standing up to odin a feat instead what it actually was, PIS.

Someone brought up dr. strange being able to stalemate the IG as a feat but when i put him in a thread against odin, all of a sudden it's pis and he can't beat Odin.

People even voted for Doom to be Hal jordan. WTF

Things just seem shady around here. And I won't even get on the whole Cosmic Hierachy people just love to try and peg as marvel being superior. Does anyone have an answer Y people think these beings just auto win in thier wieght classes against any DC heroe in the same class?

Silver Surfer has a feat that counters every GL feat with the exception of a few super high end showings. which by the way most high end GL feats go far beyond the normal showings of the Green Lanterns by a large margain.

Think about one GL contains a big bang but then Blue Supes messes up with his nervous system to turn his power off. Think about it just for a moment.

LT beats every showing of Mxy save one non cannonical appearance.
LT also doesn't go from one power level to another like Spectre so LT greater than the average showing of Spectre but equal to or a little less the best level of Spectre.

Phantom Stranger seems to be higher than Odin but feat wise almost nothing truely shows this.

Darkseid has become a much less powerful being that has been punked by Superman, Wonder Woman, and Doomsday. His higher showing are far behind him although he does have the ALE now which may redeem him. So while PIS and jobbing is off we have seen enough Darkseid depowered to assume he has lost a bulk of his powerful. Also for the record Darkseid was totally owned by the Spectre his OE barely hurt him and the only reason DS didn't die was because the source wouldn't let him. All in all DS wasn't very inpressive in that. In fact besides the Planet mind moving feat DS's power isn't that good. Odin could in fact top him in feats although I would think it would be a good fight with DS coming out on top.

Oh and for everyone else who is trying to say DC lesser than Marvel in size that is a load. Both are infinite, bith have their infinites within infintes. Both have their high end cosmics. Basically what I'm saying is both are equal just because one decides to use different terminology does not make it lesser then the other 😬

Originally posted by Newjak
Oh and for everyone else who is trying to say DC lesser than Marvel in size that is a load. Both are infinite, bith have their infinites within infintes. Both have their high end cosmics. Basically what I'm saying is both are equal just because one decides to use different terminology does not make it lesser then the other 😬

Besides the anime multiverse can crush both of them. 😏

Originally posted by don't shiv
DC = The Combined Might of :
WILDSTORM Multiverse [bleed etc]
VERTIGO Multiverses
Sandman Multiverse [including Morpheus/Sandman and family; Death [cutie britches] Destiny Destruction, Desire ]
FABLES Multiverse
D.C. Multiverse [by the way THE QUEEN OF STORIES >>>> Beyonder]

DC Cosmics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marvel Cosmics in Power and Numbers

You've named 5 multiverses. Classic beyonder had the power of millions of multiverses. It's stated on panel. Your list would have to go on for several thousand more pages to equal the power of classic beyonder.

One single multiverse is an infinite number of universes (read: eternities) with alternate timelines and such. Marvel Omniverse is composed of an infinite number of multiverses.

Originally posted by Kutulu
You've named 5 multiverses. Classic beyonder had the power of millions of multiverses. It's stated on panel. Your list would have to go on for several thousand more pages to equal the power of classic beyonder.

One single multiverse is an infinite number of universes (read: eternities) with alternate timelines and such. Marvel Omniverse is composed of an infinite number of multiverses.

That's the funny thing, you can't argue what exists in a comic univese as it's constantly changing.

Originally posted by Mindship
...especially Wonder Woman ( 😛 ... j/k)

Years ago I was strictly a Marvel fan; now I enjoy DC much more. But both have been guilty of unfettered (and frankly, annoying) one-upmanship for quite a while now. As far as I'm concerned, there are waayyy too many abstracts/infinites/ultimates/universe-killers/planet-blower-uppers/whatever running around both supermultiverses, inspiring rampant PIS, CIS, jobbing and the ever-popular "holding back" scenario.

Originally posted by Newjak

Oh and for everyone else who is trying to say DC lesser than Marvel in size that is a load. Both are infinite, bith have their infinites within infintes. Both have their high end cosmics. Basically what I'm saying is both are equal just because one decides to use different terminology does not make it lesser then the other 😬

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl

Things just seem shady around here. And I won't even get on the whole Cosmic Hierachy people just love to try and peg as marvel being superior. Does anyone have an answer Y people think these beings just auto win in thier wieght classes against any DC heroe in the same class?

H/P or Gogs War Doomsday would take out any Marvel brick with ease. The Flash is millions of times faster than Quicksilver. Darkseid as written by Kirby would own all of the Marvel pantheons put together, it was the DC writers that decided to depower him, don't blame the forum regulars for judging Darkseid based upon how he's currently written.

In regards to your Thanos hate, yes he has feats to back it up. He has taken over the Marvel 616 universe several times, and even taken control of the Marvel multiverse once with the HOTI. He is one of the most durable non-cosmic characters to have ever lived. That is why he is on par with how Darkseid is currently written. Darkseid clearly took the lead when he obtained the ALE, but before that they were on par. If Thanos had really wanted to, he could still be in total control of the Marvel 616 universe as well as the multiverse which contains it, however he didn't feel like he really wanted to keep it so let go of that power.

APOC beats any one in DC.....ANYONE!!!!!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It seem that

Odin,Dr. Strange, Thor, BRB, Silver Surfer, THE LT, Thanos, and pre retconned beyonder seem to just own anyone they fight with in thier power lvl from DC? what gives with that BS? Someone Even had The surfer owning Despero who has consistantly owned the Entire JLA who would be considered a GOD team in Marvel. Hell even REED RIchards and DR. Doom get so much play. Do you guys really think that these guys just beat every one in thier class from DC? You never give DC the victory unless you think the person is like far far far more powerful. And the only time I see an argument against characters like these is if it's another marvel character.

I have seen people think Odin can Beat the Phantom stranger.

People think the LT can beat Mxy.

Some people Think Micheal, The source, and the word cannot beat The LT.

People try many times to make it as if the Spectre is less than the LT.

People THink Surfer beats Hal jordan for a solid majority when Hals ring is actually more versatile than surfer. isn't that what people are always hollering when they say surfer beats someone? versatility?

I see people saying Thanos is about DS lvl in power when Thanos has NEVER had the feats of power that DS has. According to forum rules PIS and jobbing isn't allowed and yet people try to bring up DS silly situaltional defeats against him all the while calling thanos standing up to odin a feat instead what it actually was, PIS.

Someone brought up dr. strange being able to stalemate the IG as a feat but when i put him in a thread against odin, all of a sudden it's pis and he can't beat Odin.

People even voted for Doom to be Hal jordan. WTF

Things just seem shady around here. And I won't even get on the whole Cosmic Hierachy people just love to try and peg as marvel being superior. Does anyone have an answer Y people think these beings just auto win in thier wieght classes against any DC heroe in the same class?

Wah! Nvr, you bring up the fact that in Last Planet Standing, the LT got owned by Reed which is non-canon. But I've also seen posters use Darkseid vs. Galactus the Hunger as an example against you. In that comic, Darkseid uses the OE on Galactus who just stands there like nothing happened and then blasts the hell out of him. Also, the Surfer completely owns Orion to the point that Orion suffers near fatal injuries and regards Orion as nothing more than an annoyance. But to you, that was non-canon. Make up your mind bro. There are DC characters that beat Marvel characters and Marvel characters that beat DC characters. It does not seem to be that way in your eyes though. I admit that I read more Marvel than DC and the Silver Surfer is my favorite character, but their are a fair number of characters in DC that take a majority against him. Hal Jordan or any GL save for Ion or Parallax does not take a majority against him though.

Originally posted by swerve1988
APOC beats any one in DC.....ANYONE!!!!!

General Eiling Nightshade Black Adam RAG-MAN??

Apocalypse beats Rag-Man 😑 Brainiac 13 😆

Originally posted by tdawg14
Wah! Nvr, you bring up the fact that in Last Planet Standing, the LT got owned by Reed which is non-canon. But I've also seen posters use Darkseid vs. Galactus the Hunger as an example against you. In that comic, Darkseid uses the OE on Galactus who just stands there like nothing happened and then blasts the hell out of him. Also, the Surfer completely owns Orion to the point that Orion suffers near fatal injuries and regards Orion as nothing more than an annoyance. But to you, that was non-canon. Make up your mind bro. There are DC characters that beat Marvel characters and Marvel characters that beat DC characters. It does not seem to be that way in your eyes though. I admit that I read more Marvel than DC and the Silver Surfer is my favorite character, but their are a fair number of characters in DC that take a majority against him. Hal Jordan or any GL save for Ion or Parallax does not take a majority against him though.

There is much truth to this post

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl

I have seen people think Odin can Beat the Phantom stranger.

People THink Surfer beats Hal jordan for a solid majority when Hals ring is actually more versatile than surfer. isn't that what people are always hollering when they say surfer beats someone? versatility?

Someone brought up dr. strange being able to stalemate the IG as a feat but when i put him in a thread against odin, all of a sudden it's pis and he can't beat Odin.

People even voted for Doom to be Hal jordan. WTF

I am only going to comment on a few of these.

Odin loses to Phantom Stranger. I don't even have these 2 near each other in power.

I give SS the majority, you can't just base a character on the highest showings they have had. If you do, then you have to re-evaluate evertything. The same way you don't count DS low showings, you can't just use high ones. Is Spiderman a herlad level being, can firelord not beat people on Spidey's level?? (I know this is an extreme case)

I still don't think Strange really stalemated the IG, and could use the same argument as above regarding showings.

Did this person say Doom with tons of prep? Doom with prep has taken on SS and other very high level beings, even stealing Galactus' power.

Just because one or two people think something doesn't mean you have to pretend like the whole board is fanboys.

The fact is that several of the things you are getting upseta bout are not the opinions of most KMC users, ie Phantom Strager, or Doom.

But you seem to always get upset when things don't go your way. Whether you want to admit it or not SS is a good match for Hal.

Why must people cry when their bestest best favouritest comic characters can't beat another? No matter how strong you think you are, there will always be some one stronger. Thats a quote from something, dont ask me what though. Oh and try not to get to in to marvels cosmic multiverse omnipresents imo its a load of bs. JESUS CHRIST JUST SHUT THE FUK UP U BUNCH OF GEEKS. There I said it.

Originally posted by Magee
Why must people cry when their bestest best favouritest comic characters can't beat another? No matter how strong you think you are, there will always be some one stronger. Thats a quote from something, dont ask me what though. Oh and try not to get to in to marvels cosmic multiverse omnipresents imo its a load of bs. JESUS CHRIST JUST SHUT THE FUK UP U BUNCH OF GEEKS. There I said it.

Excellent Post!!!!!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It seem that

Odin,Dr. Strange, Thor, BRB, Silver Surfer, THE LT, Thanos, and pre retconned beyonder seem to just own anyone they fight with in thier power lvl from DC? what gives with that BS? Someone Even had The surfer owning Despero who has consistantly owned the Entire JLA who would be considered a GOD team in Marvel. Hell even REED RIchards and DR. Doom get so much play. Do you guys really think that these guys just beat every one in thier class from DC? You never give DC the victory unless you think the person is like far far far more powerful. And the only time I see an argument against characters like these is if it's another marvel character.

I have seen people think Odin can Beat the Phantom stranger.

People think the LT can beat Mxy.

Some people Think Micheal, The source, and the word cannot beat The LT.

People try many times to make it as if the Spectre is less than the LT.

People THink Surfer beats Hal jordan for a solid majority when Hals ring is actually more versatile than surfer. isn't that what people are always hollering when they say surfer beats someone? versatility?

I see people saying Thanos is about DS lvl in power when Thanos has NEVER had the feats of power that DS has. According to forum rules PIS and jobbing isn't allowed and yet people try to bring up DS silly situaltional defeats against him all the while calling thanos standing up to odin a feat instead what it actually was, PIS.

Someone brought up dr. strange being able to stalemate the IG as a feat but when i put him in a thread against odin, all of a sudden it's pis and he can't beat Odin.

People even voted for Doom to be Hal jordan. WTF

Things just seem shady around here. And I won't even get on the whole Cosmic Hierachy people just love to try and peg as marvel being superior. Does anyone have an answer Y people think these beings just auto win in thier wieght classes against any DC heroe in the same class?

It's called "Fanboyism"

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
It's called "Fanboyism"

And it goes both ways.

Seems like a whining and complaining thread. Probably from losing too many debates 😆