THe LT vs. Micheal the Arc Angel

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos only wanted ONE Universe, so that theory doesn't work.

Prove there are more Gauntlets besides the TWO What If Comic books.

I don't really take What ifs that seriously but, other than those TWO Realities that DIVERGED from the 616 Universe, I bet you got none.

Please, show these other IGs.

Eternity owning Thanos IG

"Thanos has now USURPEP Eternity's rightful position as the CENTER of ALL REALITY"

oops,

that's Thanos OWNING Eternity, plus becoming the Universe, which is all he wanted.

How hypocritical of you Mr. M, alternate realities are cannon in the omniverse, as every what if, and sub reality, and alternate reality is part of the omniverse as said by Roma.

They are just as cannon concerning the LT, as it concerns the IG.

Doesn't matter what Thanos wanted, what he didnt want, what matters is what was shown on panel, claim and speculation, and praise is meaningless when compared to on panel feats.

If we took everything said on panel the same as we take on panel feats, then Sentry does indeed = Galactus, then Sentry has the power of a billion exploding suns, then phoenix created Galactus and all life including the abstracts.

Face it, the LT is praised very highly, but his power level is less then universal.

On panel showings > Your speculation Mr. M

Originally posted by Board Walker
How hypocritical of you Mr. M, alternate realities are cannon in the omniverse, as every what if, and sub reality, and alternate reality is part of the omniverse as said by Roma.

They are just as cannon concerning the LT, as it concerns the IG.

And who said ALternate Realities were not Canon?

WHO said that?

I said I don't take What ifs seriously, because they're always a joke.

What Ifs were made for one reason, for Writers to fool around, and avoid making the 616 Reality look like clownsville.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Doesn't matter what Thanos wanted, what he didnt want, what matters is what was shown on panel, claim and speculation, and praise is meaningless when compared to on panel feats.

Of course it matters, what's wrong with you?

The Living Tribunal did not interfere with Thanos because Thanos only wanted One Universe.

What's your aim?

This is beyond sock tricks, this is starting to get silly.

Originally posted by Board Walker
If we took everything said on panel the same as we take on panel feats, then Sentry does indeed = Galactus, then Sentry has the power of a billion exploding suns, then phoenix created Galactus and all life including the abstracts.

Face it, the LT is praised very highly, but his power level is less then universal.

On panel showings > Your speculation Mr. M

Your ignoring all of LT's Feats though, and beating your whole case with THOTI is a "Universe Power" ...

that's what has you firefirefireph

Once it penetrates your dome, that TOAA only allowed Thanos that limited area to work with, you'll understand that the THOTI is an Omniversal Power, (the Power of TOAA) that was confined to One area.

That was the "Almighty's" plan.

The Living Tribunal made the Silver Surfer the Universe for a moment.

The Living Tribunal can disconnect any Universe he wishes from the Multiverse.

The Living Tribunal Nullified an omni-directional Blast from the Infinity Gauntlet with a gesture, which had obliterated the Cosmics and Eternity,

The Living Tribunal re-created the Sentience of all the Abstracts including the Power of the Universe Eternity.

The Living Tribunal crushed Slorioth (Multiversal threat) in one move.

The Living Tribunal plucked the Silver Surfer out the Frozen Time Line Rune had created with the Infinity Gem.

Speaking of which.

Thor and a few left over Heroes, including Ultras are in the Ultraverse, OUTSIDE the Prime Marvel Multi-verse

This sinister being called Rune, (he kills beings in the Ultraverse all the time by biting them, drinking their blood and eating their flesh),

Rune realizes Thor's powers are great (while Thor was trying to conjure a teleportation Warp, to return to the 616 Multi-verse) and immediately covets Thor's power.

"My godly powers do not function in this Realm as they ought to"

He attacks Thor from behind, and since Thor's powers are a bit displaced in this foreign Universe, Thor accidently teleports Rune into the 616 Multi-verse, somewhere in the 616 Universe:

Immediately Rune realizes he's somewhere completely different, and he likes it:

To make a long story short.

RUne finds out about the Infinity Gems, and actually ends up stealing them from Warlock and the Infinity Watch

The Soul Gem says, I have been waiting for this creature since the DAWN of the Universe" (because it knows Rune is from ANOTHER Multi-verse, and the Living Tribunal's Judgement was ONLY enforced on the 616 Multi-verse)

The Soul Gem tells Rune, "you will be worshipped through out the Sprawl of the MULTI-VERSE, Feasting on the Multitudes of TWO REALITIES" (this Multi-verse 616 and Rune's Multi-verse)

The Infinity Gems are manipulating Rune, they want to leave the 616 Multiverse, and enter Rune's Multiverse, to take over it, and from there take over the 616 Multiverse.

"We must transport ourselves BACK to your REALITY"

Originally posted by Mr Master
And who said ALternate Realities were not Canon?

WHO said that?

I said I don't take What ifs seriously, because they're always a joke.

What Ifs were made for one reason, for Writers to fool around, and avoid making the 616 Reality look like clownsville.

Of course it matters, what's wrong with you?

The Living Tribunal did not interfere with Thanos because Thanos only wanted One Universe.

What's your aim?

This is beyond sock tricks, this is starting to get silly.

Your ignoring all of LT's Feats though, and beating your whole case with THOTI is a "Universe Power" ...

that's what has you firefirefireph

Once it penetrates your dome, that TOAA only allowed Thanos that limited area to work with, you'll understand that the THOTI is an Omniversal Power, (the Power of TOAA) that was confined to One area.

That was the "Almighty's" plan.

Did I ever state that you said whatif's were not cannon? No I was reminding you not to act like they are not, their cannon and whether you like it or detest it, its cannon.

The entire crutch of your argument is that LT only lost because TOAA ordained it.

Guess what Mr. M? That has no weight what so ever on these forums, try using that in a debate tourny, it will have no weight what so ever.

That could be said for any character in Marvel or DC, that they only lost because TOAA/Presence ordained it to be so.

The fact is, on panel the LT was defeated by the HOTU which was limited to the power of exactly 1 universe.

Sum of 1 full universe > LT

Nuff said

The Living Tribunal becomes aware of what Rune has done,

"There is a disturbance in the Fabric of Reality, which centers around the Infinity Gems"

"Yet, it is UNLIKE Anything that I have Experienced, the NATURE of the disturbance is BEYOND this REALITY ..... I must ask HIM for Help"

In the end Rune lost the Gems and they were scattered in his Multiverse.

Here is the Living Tribunal referring to the Multiverses as "Universes".

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Living Tribunal becomes aware of what Rune has done,

"There is a disturbance in the Fabric of Reality, which centers around the Infinity Gems"

"Yet, it is UNLIKE Anything that I have Experienced, the NATURE of the disturbance is BEYOND this REALITY ..... I must ask HIM for Help"

In the end Rune lost the Gems and they were scattered in his Multiverse.

Here is the Living Tribunal referring to the Multiverses as "Universes".

Get it straight Mr. M, it says universe, not multiverse, two universes do not equal a multiverse, a multiverse is a infinite collection of universes.

What is your point here? Your repeating yourself again and you have no relevance what so ever.

The gems went to another universe/s (not a multiverse).

Your point in this?

Notice how he says "of his universe" and maybe "ours".

Singular universes, as I said the IG can affect outside of its own reality, but is not greater then the sum power of a full sentient universe, such as what Thanos became.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Get it straight Mr. M, it says universe, not multiverse, two universes do not equal a multiverse, a multiverse is a infinite collection of universes.

What is your point here? Your repeating yourself again and you have no relevance what so ever.

The gems went to another universe/s (not a multiverse).

Your point in this?

Notice how he says "of his universe" and maybe "ours".

Singular universes, as I said the IG can affect outside of its own reality, but is not greater then the sum power of a full sentient universe, such as what Thanos became.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Soul Gem says, I have been waiting for this creature since the DAWN of the Universe" (because it knows Rune is from ANOTHER Multi-verse, and the Living Tribunal's Judgement was ONLY enforced on the 616 Multi-verse)

The Soul Gem tells Rune, "you will be worshipped through out the Sprawl of the MULTI-VERSE, Feasting on the Multitudes of TWO REALITIES" (this Multi-verse 616 and Rune's Multi-verse)

yawn

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Living Tribunal holding the embodiments of TWO Megaverses in one Hand.

Each Megaverse, is a COLLECTION of MULTIVERSES!!!

"he sits at the CENTER of ALL things, feeling the flow of countless Realities, their FATE irrevocably determined through the judgment rendered by HIS Three Faces"

"Two SIBLINGS whom the Tribunal has a place for in HIS great scheme of things"

"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him, for he is its Heart, ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny, a Destiny SPUN by HIS mighty Hand"

"A Hand soon opening to allow TWO Brothers to assume their pre-destined Roles as Architects of New Realities ... and ONLY this Judge knows why"

Nuff said.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Did I ever state that you said whatif's were not cannon? No I was reminding you not to act like they are not, their cannon and whether you like it or detest it, its cannon.

Don't remind me of anything Marvel.

Originally posted by Board Walker
The entire crutch of your argument is that LT only lost because TOAA ordained it.

Again,

be thorough and pay attention, cause your talking shit ...

I challenge you to go find where my argument has been that LT lost because the TOAA ordained?

Don't make claims son unless you ready to back that up.

LT Lost, because Thanos had the power of TOAA!!!

That has ALWAYS been my argument.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Guess what Mr. M? That has no weight what so ever on these forums, try using that in a debate tourny, it will have no weight what so ever.

That could be said for any character in Marvel or DC, that they only lost because TOAA/Presence ordained it to be so.

Guess what You?

Go READ COMICS, and READ Others' POSTS too.

Originally posted by Board Walker
The fact is, on panel the LT was defeated by the HOTU which was limited to the power of exactly 1 universe.

Sum of 1 full universe > LT

Nuff said

hysterical2

Originally posted by Mr Master

lol, you really are stubborn, Ive already posted the scans, and so has Bigbran showing all that needs to be shown.

The HOTU was shown on panel to make thanos 1 full universe, and with that power Thanos defeated LT; LT tried its hardest to resist and fight Thanos.

Your scans of praise and touting he LT has holding two megaversal guardians only degrades the power of the brothers, the LT is superior to the brothers, and the HOTU of the power of 1 universe is superior to LT.

Get your facts straight and move on.

Originally posted by bigbran
Good.
You do realize that HOTU's power being releashed only REMADE one universe... just pointing it out...

I don't believe that HOTU=Micheal, or even close, but Micheal still whoops LT.

Originally posted by bigbran
How come no one believes me?

I JUST SAID THAT IT ONLY HAD DESTROYED ONE UNIVERSE!!!

Do I strike people as a liar or something?
I tell what I know, and try to say it without "teh twisting".

Anyway...

Thanos #1.

So, after about a couple months of saying it absorbed "teh everyting!", and speculating from the same book/issue from one sentence, we actually have "Teh" Thanos telling us what he done did.
If we don't believe Thanos about him absorbing the universe, then why should we believe him about God's power?

Thanos only absorbed ONE UNIVERSE! No more speculations from this scan:

How about we look at teh facts.

What did Warlock just say? "My unique status in THIS universe..."

And... of course, from teh End #6.

Just tired of teh lying, and twisting is all. Trying to alert people of what actually happened.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I'm with bigbran, it was stated a couple of times that it was just one universe, and none that they refered to the multiverse.

And you got it wrong, bw.

It's not necesserly:
Omniversal > Multiversal > Universal

Abraxas defeating Roma (the omniversal guardian for example)

Originally posted by bigbran
Hope this answers your question.

There is no time and space. There is nothing. That is what nothing looks like, and the same thing would happen to a multiverse, or a universe, or an omniverse... except... we have several confirmations (two on the scan I just showed, way more other places... I can actually give you about five or more on-panel evidences of it being a universe) that it was indeed a universe.

Warlock was inside Atleza'a domain too when this ocurred. If Thanos had actually erased everything, then he would have ht Atleza's realm. Did Warlock get erased? Does this not answer your question?

Also, we have never been inside "nothing" really before. So how can you say it was more than a universe?

So, as it turns out, it was a universe... nothing more, nothing less. Just because nothing remained, doesn't mean squat... actually, it means just that:
NOTHING!

To teh questions:

God.

God.

If he just beat LT on-panel, then by all means, who else could threaten his reign?

Yes, single universe.

As it turns out, one of (if not) the most powerful beings in Marvel, was only universal... more proof that being multiversal means shit.

Originally posted by Board Walker
The embodiment of Eternity isn't the summation of the Universe it self, as this was shown as Eternity can manifest in itself (the purple spheres), but it isn't the summation of the power of that sphere, as Thanos showed when he dispatched it; Eternity is the consciousness and sentience of a sphere.

Eterntiy is the Embodiment of TIme, with Infinity they make up the Universe:

Eternity - embodiment of Time

Infinity - embodiment of Space

The UNIVERSE materializing into ETERNITY before Galactus

Gamora Enters ETERNITY and ends up INSIDE the UNIVERSE

The UNIVERSE materializing Into ETERNITY before Strange

Everything is Eternity, those who are there around Dr Strange, see Reality as Eternity

When Thanos with the IG became the Universe, it was ETERNITY'S place he took.

Originally posted by Mr Master
No it does not.

I never said Warlock erased everything,

so again, this doesn't answer anything either.

I disagree.

I think not.

Thanos felt threatened AFTER he absorbed LT, Eternity and Infinity and ALL the Heroes and Gods and Cosmics of Marvel 616.

[B]"For IF this BAND Could Defy Me ... might not OTHERS be equally Foolish?"

WHAT OTHERS in this ONE Universe? 😆

He Absobed ALL the possiblilites of a Threat in this One Universe.

BUT Thanos said I, "Continued to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...

The ONLY OTHER possible Threats are those of the Multiverse, which emcopasses the Prime Marvel Universe.

Where there are OTHER Eternitys and Infinitys and Cosmics, gods, and Heroes.

Hence all the "Universe" referrences.

This was a special case,

First time anyone acquired the power of the Almighty,

so it does mean shit [/B]

Originally posted by bigbran
There is nothing. Nothing, no time and space.

If you were arguing against him ONLY absorbing a MULTIVERSE, then what is that you didn't say he absorbed?

Why?

Umm... because he didn't absorb everything that pertained to that universe?
What about the pocket universes? What about Mephisto's realm? What about Phoenix? What about Aunt May? What about other planets? What about Oblivion? What about the stars? What about the black holes? What about all of the Celestials? What about Entropy?
What about the little people?
The remark was more than likely said about that, other than the multiverse.

OK, evidence?
No bios that you unquestionably hate, just pure, on-panel showings. Times they mentioned things about universes, or absorbing them.
1:

2:

3/4:

5:

6:

7:

8:

9:

Usually when it is said NINE times... compared to your one speculation...

That is only looking through two comics, and a page...

What about IG, what about the Cube? Because I know that on-panel, both have been said to make him God.

What about teh multiversal Abraxas taking out teh omniversal Roma?

Just give it up. Mr. Master Never relents. He is always right and his word is law. Didn't you guys know this? If he says it's one way even tho on panel it says something else, then by golley he's right. I've pointed this out MONTHS ago. So just let him win.