THe LT vs. Micheal the Arc Angel

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nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Mr Master
IG Warlock destroys the hierarchy of representitives, LT is UNfazed.

With a gesture LT STOPS the IG ATTACK and RECREATES the Abstratcs

So much for not being able to take a hit.

yawn

I have always thought of the IG as Universal. It not being able to kill LT does not impress me.

Board Walker Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr Master
Let's count how many times the Brothers of DC vs Marvel were called a Universe.

5

"the Universe itself ripples with disturbance"

"Until They appeared in his Consciousness ... with enough Pain between them to level a Universe"

"when there's a Universe to save"

"cataclysmic fluctuations of the Universe"

"first law of the Universe, can never have to much duct tape"

Originally posted by Mr Master
5 More

"Each of their respective Universes is superior to the Other's"

"They will Pit Their Super-Powered Beings against each other to end all wars"

"and End ONE Universe" (that was Blunt!)

"the Fate of the Universe"

"To say nothing of there still being a Universe"

"What I need is triumph, so my Universe can survive"

""Your Universe is in serious trouble"

Not cannon, your point? This has no relevance.

Mr Master Junior Member

That's 20 Times

And I left out scans not to spam.

By your logic, the entirety of DC and Marvel is One Universe each. 😉

Mr Master Junior Member
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I have always thought of the IG as Universal. It not being able to kill LT does not impress me.

Extremely Universal.

How did Magus do this with an INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet, is a mystery.

Magus with an INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet had Total CONTROL of TWO Universes,

and he himself was in a Universe separated from these TWO Universes he was Totally Controlling!

"My TAKEOVER of your ACTUALITY,

USING my now missing Cosmic Containment Units, would have taken Hours to Accomplish"

"Other matters have a higher priority now, such as MAKING YOUR Universe MINE"

With his INCOMPLETE IG, Magus MERGED TWO Universes in an INSTANT.

😆

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's 20 Times

An I left out scans not to spam.

By your logic, the entirety of DC and Marvel is One Universe each. 😉

If your tryign to use the non cannon DC vs. Marvel, they used Universe as a way to keep things simple for the fans who dont' read comics regulary or understand all the hooplah over multiverses and such.

Board Walker Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's 20 Times

An I left out scans not to spam.

By your logic, the entirety of DC and Marvel is One Universe each. 😉

You posted scans of a NON CANNON cross over, please do better.

The entirety of DC and marvel is One universe? Try not to put words in my mouth.

Their are infinite universes in each of Marvel and DC.

Each universe in Marvel is shown as a purple sphere, shown in the HOTU arc, and when Dr. Strange leaves the universe and is in the flow of infinite and oblivion, he even commented that the purple spheres were universes.

Mr Master Junior Member
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Indeed We have said the same thing about DC many times and yet you refused to believe it, trying to make DC just one Universe. Or a weaker multiverse.

That's what the DC Reality was depicted as during COIE ...

The Writer is telling us in that scan, that the "Marvel Universe" is the Multiverse.

All of Marvel at the time.

But the 616 Reality/Universe is still just ONE Universe.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Mr Master
Extremely Universal.

How did Magus do this with an INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet, is a mystery.

Magus with an INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet had Total CONTROL of TWO Universes,

and he himself was in a Universe separated from these TWO Universes he was Totally Controlling!

"My TAKEOVER of your ACTUALITY,

USING my now missing Cosmic Containment Units, [B]would have taken Hours to Accomplish"

"Other matters have a higher priority now, such as MAKING YOUR Universe MINE"

With his INCOMPLETE IG, Magus MERGED TWO Universes in an INSTANT.

😆 [/B]

Your almost laughable. When they show magus merging the universes, you do realize that is him visualizing what he is going to do right? YOu also realize that he had universal telepathy and was likely asserting his will over every being to feel the changes as he didn't have the reality gem to even merge the universes. And ONe doesn't have to be multiversal to affect another universe. Eternity on PAnel has stated that the IG user Takes his place. NOT anyone elses place. If the IG were multiversal like you pretend it to be, Multiveternity would have had somethign to say about.

Mr Master Junior Member

The Living Tribunal holding the embodiments of TWO Megaverses in one Hand.

Each Megaverse, is a COLLECTION of MULTIVERSES!!!

"he sits at the CENTER of ALL things, feeling the flow of countless Realities, their FATE irrevocably determined through the judgment rendered by HIS Three Faces"

"Two SIBLINGS whom the Tribunal has a place for in HIS great scheme of things"

"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him, for he is its Heart, ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny, a Destiny SPUN by HIS mighty Hand"

"A Hand soon opening to allow TWO Brothers to assume their pre-destined Roles as Architects of New Realities ... and ONLY this Judge knows why"

Nuff said.

Warlock destroys the hierarchy of representitives, except for LT ofcourse.

With a gesture LT STOPS the IG ATTACK and RECREATES the Abstratcs

That's all.

LT>>>>IG>>>I-IG>>>UN>>>Multiverse>>>>Universe

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's what the DC Reality was depicted as during COIE ...

The Writer is telling us in that scan, that the "Marvel Universe" is the Multiverse.

All of Marvel at the time.

But the 616 Reality/Universe is still just ONE Universe.

In crisis on Infinite earths, DC is actually depicted as a multiverse. As we see alexandor luthor trying to blend the universes to make his own reality.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Mr Master
Still don't see how that Excalibur scan fits in here.
About the same as your Multi-Eternity scans fit in...

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm not interested whether you agree or not.

I already conclusively proved my case.

All I want is people to stop twisting what happened in The: End series.

So did I. And you changed your argument.

Originally posted by Mr Master
No he was not, he miniaturized and teleported him away.

Exactly, they were not constricted in one Universe.

You haven't answered it all, you threw an unsatisfactory guess in the air.

Still didn't affect teh "multiverse" as it now is.

And, the proof is? Also, I thought that universe actually meant multiverse? 🙄

Whatever you say.

Originally posted by Mr Master
What Proof?

Who else was left in that One Universe to Threaten Thanos?

Oh ... You have Proof?

Well then by all means post it.

Do you not understand?

Not even LT could threaten him. By all means though, what exactly in there left in the MULTIVERSE that could threaten him?

It was meaningless words that you are clinging to, in order to try and prove me wrong.

If LT couldn't threaten him, then what is left? No really.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're simply unaware that the Marvel Universe is a Multiverse, even though I posted plenty of Proof.

The 616 Reality or the 616 Universe is Singular Eternity/Universe.

Wow... just...

I know the Marvel Universe is actually talking about teh entire Marvel multiverse. The thing is though, that they don't say the Marvel universe, when talking about universes/multiverses in comics. The only time they use the Marvel Universe term, is when outside of comics, they refer to Marvel as a whole, as the Marvel Universe.
Even then, they still are mostly talking about 616.

Anyway...
Another universal claim:

But wait, he is obviously talking about Marvel as a whole right?

Same comic, it is talking about Galan's bringing to be. You notice how it said the UNIVERSE died? So he could be talking about the MARVEL UNIVERSE right?

Well, 616 Galactus was the first Galactus.

So, you may not see my point here, but following your logic, the entire multiverse died when Galactus was made. Which would completely contridict the first Galactus part too.

Also, Terrax is a multiversal threat following your logic also.

You see, they said universal, but they actually were talking about the Marvel Universe.

None of these things are talking about universe numbers either, so that means that they are actually talking about Marvel Universe.

Does this make sense, or am I just talking to myself?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Where ever there is Nothingness, there is Oblivion.
Oh, so Oblivion survived, where LT had failed?
So Oblivion was right there all along? So Thanos wasn't alone?

Thanos just didn't sense him is all?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nice,

so all you can do, is theorize cause you have no comprehensible answer, as to WHAT was it that Thanos felt Threatened by in this One Universe.

You are calling me on theories?

Your using a quote from a panel, in which Thanos had absorbed the universe, and turning it into him absorbing more.

Originally posted by Mr Master
"T'was Thanos talking is all"

Is this your answer?

Please ...

So, Thanos was lying about absorbing the universe then?
Speculations that were basically meaningless are to be taken as proof?

Originally posted by Mr Master
You should see how you have me 😆

Saying the "rest of the Universe' is what Thanos felt Threatened by.

Yea, look out here comes the Kree and Skrull empire. 😂


T'was Thanos talking is all.

He wasn't/shouldn't have been threatened by anything outside of Jeebus.

He was just making sure. Also, like I said, meaningless panel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
There are other Multiverses,

Death's Realm is Outside of Space and Time, so long as there is life in the Omniverse, Death must be.

There was no life in the universe that Death was in.
This also follows the Entropy thing too.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea in the meeting with just the Abstracts, during the battle, there were scores of individual characters everywhere.

Come on, get real dogs,.

I know, I was just saying that they weren't artistically put in, like how they were when they were in the meeting.
You said it would be difficult for them to do it, and yet they did it in the earlier meeting.

It is irrelevent really, but I'm just saying, that they COULD have put more in.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're saying he "blinks him out"

I'm saying Entropy's purpose is implode the Universe/Multiverse cyclically when it's time for it to die.

If this time has not arrived, Entropy does not manifest.

"Entropy said that he had achieved the purpose for which he was created. Now that he had destroyed everything in the universe, there was nothing left for him. Entropy didn't know what he would do."

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/entropym.htm

He was still there, he just didn't have a purpose. So maybe, Thanos absorbed him in the next panel that you are so fond of?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Eternity the 616 Reality/the 616 Universe is ONE Universe.

Eternity the Marvel Universe is a Multiverse.

Eternity the Marvel Universe is Multi-Eternity.

But they never said Marvel Universe.
They call him a universe most of the time.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Sorry duke,

that was the WRITER talking Not the Beyonder.

But it was Beyonder that found it out, wasn't it? The writer didn't find it out, Beyonder did.

Don't twist my wording.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again,

Eternity the 616 Reality/the 616 Universe is ONE Universe.

Eternity the Marvel Universe is a Multiverse.

Eternity the Marvel Universe is Multi-Eternity.

Multi-Eternity is the Multi-Verse.

There is no Marvel Universe in comics.

If it says universe, it is an universe. If it says multiverse, it is a multiverse. If it says omniverse, it is an omniverse.

It isn't that hard.

zOMG, unverse meenz univesre!

Who would have thought it?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Funny, I swore the Multiverse was being collapse by Abraxas.

In Fact, it was Multi-Eternity that summoned Reed and Dr Druid to warn them about Abraxas.

It was.

They were most likely focusing on the universe at that time, or it was a massive contridiction with them mentioning multiverse on the previous panel.

You pick.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So forget this 616 Talk, 616 was NOT mentioned.

What the Scan shows is that the Multiverse, is the Marvel Universe.

Had he mentioned the # 616, it'd be a different story.

Universe was mentioned tons of times.
If universe means multiverse, then Terrax is a multiversal threat.

Yah, for logic.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Pay attention friend, I dislike replying to Posts that Twist my words.

I have NEVER said that the 616 Universe is a Multiverse.


Originally posted by Mr Master
Roma wants to stop the Game, "with So much at stake (the 616 Multi-verse) your Play is erratic" she tells Merlin.

😆

From here, just in case, you are calling me a liar.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/425758_5-everything-cosmic-in-marvel-the-hierarchy-battles-feats-q-a-scans-galore

Originally posted by Mr Master
I been laughing, so laugh it up.

The Scans you posted are talking about the Marvel Universe , which is a Multiverse, as I already Proved.

No... it is talking about a singular universe.

You know, like one of those universes with names?

48559, 61241, 89302, things like that.
Not, Marvel as a whole.

You think that they might have hinted the multiverse, if they were talking about it?

Like they usually do in comics?

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]WHO else could Threaten his Reign in that One Universe?

WHO are the OTHERS that might be equally foolish?

Still waiting on a sensible opinion. [/B]

For the last time:

God.

God.

I already stated my reason in the same post.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is meaningless.
Why, because you keep claiming him to have all this power, and yet his power wore out when he made a universe... hell, even following your logic, he exhausted his power remaking a multiverse.

Does this sound like God's power?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Because it Never happened ON Panel.
The same as Roma's faked death never happened on-panel, but you are still cling to that.

Originally posted by Mr Master
lmfao

Merlyn trained Roma, and Merlyn is Roma's Father,

Merlyn ON Panel FAKED his Death (I Posted the scans) to enhance Roma's training amongst other reasons.

Merlyn (Roma's Father) FAKED his death On Panel,

so it's Not a stretch or just Bio talk.

5 Years later "Comic Book time" he resurfaced:

"His Death was merely a PLOY in a Cosmic Game"

All good and dandy, which would perhaps SUGGEST that Roma might do the same thing. But it was never explained, only to be speculated in bios.

Also, Abraxas attacked Roma, Merlin just did it to himself.
Their deaths are a little different.

Originally posted by Mr Master
During the Abraxas Arc, Roma was training Valeria, preparing her for the moment when she and Franklin were to resurrect Galactus.

How did Roma KNOW that moment would come, years before it happened?

Perhaps Roma FAKED her death to ensure Valeria's training, just like Merlyn did.

My opinion doesn't matter in this debate right now.

The fact is, that people have about the same evidence that Phoenix made Galactus (even more-so), as Roma faking her own death.

And yet, you still argue against it.

You told me, that if I don't like it, cry them a letter.

What I am saying, is that you are being a complete hypocrite right now.

Originally posted by Mr Master
ADD that to the FOUR different Bios suggesting she FAKED her death,

including Marvel.com
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Roma

And that's enough for me.


How many bios do you think have Phoenix making Galactus in them?
Not just suggesting...

Originally posted by Mr Master
Merlyn FAKED his death ON PANEL, and "Roma is no less devious" ...

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Roma

nuff said.

The funny thing is, that all these bios are just suggesting, they also suggest that she was ressurected, but you ignored that part.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again,

Roma might've let Abraxas do that, just to see how Valeria and the Heroes would handle Abraxas.

That's why Merlyn initially FAKED his death, to see how Roma would handle the last of Jaspers 616.

Jaspers 616 was a Chess piece in Merlyn's Chess board.

The Omniversal Guardian was manipulating everything.

It's not a stretch that Roma the following Celestial Guardian was playing the same tricks.

Maybe.

Also, Abraxas still took her out, whether he killed her, or not.

Like I said:

I never said anything about Abraxas killing her. I said that he TOOK her out.

Not the same thing.

Originally posted by Mr Master
READ it AGAIN duke,

The Marvel Universe, or "Man's Universe" ... is a Multiverse!

"The [B]Earth Universe is embodied in the Entity known as Eternity"

"Man's Universe has its own, INFINITE Number of Variants ... known as Alternate Universes"

***(Alternate Universes = a Multiverse)***[/B]

Earth universe... when has there ever been an Earth Universe, except for non-canon comics?
That is one kooky What-If.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Right,

and it was the Marvel Universe ... which is a Multiverse!

Which is exactly why, Terrax is a multiversal being.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Second time you use the "Writer's Error" excuse when you can't logically answer my post.

That isn't Multi-Eternity, Multi-Eternity did not exist then.

That's simply the Marvel Universe, which is the Prime Multiverse.

the 616 Universe or the 616 Reality is Eternity the Single Universe.

Nope, just saying.

What you forget, is that Multi-Eternity didn't exist back then (own logic against you).
Eternity back then, was, and always was a universe.

Everytime Eternity was shown, he was a single universe.

So, it was either a writer's error, or it was Multi-Eternity (which didn't exist...).
You, writer's, can't possibly be misinformed? Or just make a mistake?

That is the only real time Eternity has ever had universes in him.
OMG teh writerz ddnt made a miztake!

Originally posted by Mr Master
Strange has NEVER done anything to Eternity.

He steals shards of time, from which is Eternity to bombard his old master.

That is something isn't it? Which would go against your "never done anything" theory.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I never said a Multiverse has a bunch of Multiverses inside them,

nice try.

For the record AGAIN,

Eternity the 616 Reality/the 616 Universe is ONE Universe.

Eternity the Marvel Universe is a Multiverse.

Eternity the Marvel Universe is Multi-Eternity.

Multi-Eternity is the Multi-Verse.

There is no Marvel Universe in comics.

If it says universe, it is an universe. If it says multiverse, it is a multiverse. If it says omniverse, it is an omniverse.

It isn't that hard.

zOMG, unverse meenz univesre!

Who would have thought it?

Originally posted by Mr Master
dots
I know...

"Universe"

Not teh multiverse, not teh omniverse, teh UN-I-VERSE!

Now, I still think the HOTU would beat Micheal. I still think it is one of the most powerful things in existence.
All I am pointing out, is that, on-panel, it didn't absorb teh multiverse, it had only absorbed a universe. A case, of universal being above multiversal. Just about the part when everyone brings up Micheal only being universal, they have to realize that these things don't mean all that much sometimes.
Arguing what happened on-panel is all.

Also, wasn't the IG ret-conned to be less powerful?

Oh ya, Micheal wins.

Mr Master Junior Member
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your almost laughable. When they show magus merging the universes, you do realize that is him visualizing what he is going to do right? YOu also realize that he had universal telepathy and was likely asserting his will over every being to feel the changes as he didn't have the reality gem to even merge the universes. And ONe doesn't have to be multiversal to affect another universe. Eternity on PAnel has stated that the IG user Takes his place. NOT anyone elses place. If the IG were multiversal like you pretend it to be, Multiveternity would have had somethign to say about.

What's Laughable is your interpretation of the Facts.

Go READ COMICS,

then come back with something of consequence.

"Visualization" my ass,

show me where ON Panel is that stated homie?

You come out your face saying it's "laughable"

and as always classic nvrhadaclue posting some pure Bullshit

Prove your claims sonny, or else take that out of here.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Mr Master
What's Laughable is your interpretation of the Facts.

Go READ COMICS,

then come back with something of consequence.

"Visualization" my ass,

show me where ON Panel is that stated homie?

You come out your face saying it's "laughable"

and as always classic nvrhadaclue posting some pure Bullshit

Prove your claims sonny, or else take that out of here.

IT's realy easy "mr. Master" they drew his eyes as he talked about the merge. He was VISUALIZING what he was talking about. which is why his eyes are super imposed over the universes mergin and his narration. It only takes some logic and literary know how to understand this.ALso you realize without the Reality gem it would be impossible for him to merge REALITIES.

Mr Master Junior Member

LT doesn't ALLOW the Gems to work as one, HOW is that NOT overpowering the Gauntlet if it's UPTO HIM for the Gauntlet to have any significance.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Mr Master
LT doesn't ALLOW the Gems to work as one, HOW is that NOT overpowering the Gauntlet if it's UPTO HIM for the Gauntlet to have any significance.
The LT simply does not allow the Gems to work together. He overpowered each gem individually.

Mr Master Junior Member
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT's realy easy "mr. Master" they drew his eyes as he talked about the merge. He was VISUALIZING what he was talking about. which is why his eyes are super imposed over the universes mergin and his narration. It only takes some logic and literary know how to understand this.ALso you realize without the Reality gem it would be impossible for him to merge REALITIES.

Ahh whatever, I'm not going to waste anymore time on that, I know what the deal is,

no need to try and change a dome that isn't going to budge.

For the Onlookers!

It's really irritating when you post opinions on matters you know nothing about.

Mr Master Junior Member

"HIs judgement is obviously keeping the GEMS from working together" this isn't control over the IG?

Board Walker Senior Member
Originally posted by Mr Master
LT doesn't ALLOW the Gems to work as one, HOW is that NOT overpowering the Gauntlet if it's UPTO HIM for the Gauntlet to have any significance.

LT was unable to over power the IG when it was complete, LT was only able to limit the gems once they were dismantled.

Very big difference

Mr. M your reaching for straws that aren't there.

Mr Master Junior Member

Galactus has to PLEAD to the Living Tribunal to ALLOW the Gauntlet to function.