THe LT vs. Micheal the Arc Angel

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It becomes apparent that you really have no argument and your going purely off of your Bias.

Actually you're the one that keeps jumping into quicksand everytime you open your mouth concerning anything Marvel.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If you want to be technical, The spetre is SUPERIOR to the LT becuz the spectre can and has merged with the very presence. An ability the LT has not and cannot do.

Another Supreme Being ey,

So far that's FOUR ...

Later on I'll ask for a DC Hierarchy just of Supreme Beings.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Also the LT is an agent of God while the Spectre is an aspect of God. He is the Hand of God.

Meaningless.

In Marvel being TOAA's representitive is just as exclusive as being part of him.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I consider them equals becuz they both serve as guardians over thier realities.

If Marvel and DC are equals.

Then only the Second to the Presence = LT

If Michael is the Supreme Beings Power,

then Michael > LT

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually your the one that keeps jumping into quicksand evertime you open your mouth concerning anything Marvel.

Another Supreme Being ey,

So far that's FOUR ...

Later on I'll ask for a DC Hierarchy just of Supreme Beings.

Meaningless.

In Marvel being TOAA's representitive is just as exclusive as being part of him.

If Marvel and DC are equals.

Then only the Second to the Presence = LT

And you keep saying the same silly equation over and over when everyone and thier mother knows that logic is faulty. If The LT has 80 points of power and michael has 90, then how are they equal? They aren't. They can both be the 2nd to thier supreme beings, who are equal, but they themselves being only creation, do not have to be equal. what if the one above all creates someone more powerful than the LT. Would this then mean that all of a sudden the LT would lose power just becuz the one above has created someone more powerful? It would have to be in order to keep your equation a reality.

Originally posted by bigbran
No, I completely dissagree with this.

Only DC and Marvel are like this, you really think even the supreme being in Image is as powerful as TOAA? Because I don't...

Hell, when God and Satan were fighting (second to God), they only were tearing apart a world...

God isn't the supreme being in the Image universe. I believe Man of Miracles is.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And you keep saying the same silly equation over and over when everyone and thier mother knows that logic is faulty. If The LT has 80 points of power and michael has 90, then how are they equal? They aren't. They can both be the 2nd to thier supreme beings, who are equal, but they themselves being only creation, do not have to be equal. what if the one above all creates someone more powerful than the LT. Would this then mean that all of a sudden the LT would lose power just becuz the one above has created someone more powerful? It would have to be in order to keep your equation a reality.

Again,

you have no Proof that LT is 80 and Michael is 90.

What are you basing your comparison on?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again,

you have no Proof that LT is 80 and Michael is 90.

What are you basing your comparison on?

Your one to talk. Your trying to say that one is equal to the other simply becuz you said so. I'm basing my opinion on the fact that michael the arc angel literally does what ever God says with out fail. He is the power of God. The only being more powerful than HIm MIGHT be the source. Which is another aspect of God. At any rate, I believe DC has at least 4 to 5 beings more powerful than the LT or equal to him. The Spectre can do every thing the LT can do in regards to controling all of the realites and blah blah. So he is the equal of the LT. Michael is the Spectre's superior. So Mike would also be the Lt's superior.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
God isn't the supreme being in the Image universe. I believe Man of Miracles is.

Yes, MoM is the supreme being.

Originally posted by bigbran
You notice when I say that God is second to God, that I might have made a typo?

Yes, MoM is the supreme being.

I reread your statement, and I get what you meant now. Sorry about that. 😄

micheal is not the supreme being but the power to create the creation of DC and vertigo i say dc because micheal demigourge is obviously a character in both universes.

Originally posted by bigbran
Only DC and Marvel are like this, you really think even the supreme being in Image is as powerful as TOAA? Because I don't...

Why is that ?

Originally posted by bigbran
Hell, when God and Satan were fighting (second to God), they only were tearing apart a world...

That is because MoM would only allow them to exist in the world she created for them. They had no access to Spawn's Earth, or any other world in the Universe...

Did you actually READ the comic book ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Why is that ?

Wait, why would he be on TOAA's level anyway? Just because he is the creator? So, would that mean that every creator is on TOAA/Presence's level?

From what I saw, I figured an Eternity level...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
That is because MoM would only allow them to exist in the world she created for them. They had no access to Spawn's Earth, or any other world in the Universe...

Did you actually READ the comic book ?

I mean, Spawn unleashes his power, and only destroys all life on the planet.
God and Satan battled, and only leveled some mountains.

I have no doubt that they are powerful, but where have they shown this power?

Nvr... What are you talking about? Yes, it's true that you contested my statement back when I initialy made it... But no ownage accured. All ou did was say that I wanted to be one of the "cool kids" (While at the same time making yourself out to be)... I'm already one of the cool guys. Or at least moreso then you. And for a statement that was suposidly futile, it sure gets quoted alot.

I agree with Nvr on this issue, the number two's don't have to be equal for the companies to be equal, only the number ones.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Nvr... What are you talking about? Yes, it's true that you contested my statement back when I initialy made it... But no ownage accured. All ou did was say that I wanted to be one of the "cool kids" (While at the same time making yourself out to be)... I'm already one of the cool guys. Or at least moreso then you. And for a statement that was suposidly futile, it sure gets quoted alot.

I agree with Nvr on this issue, the number two's don't have to be equal for the companies to be equal, only the number ones.

Let's just stop the arguing. I'm tired of it. But you did come into the thread saying I had declared victory when I wasn't even part of that looooooong debate they were having about the universe thing. I sided with AW and Bigbran becuz the scans said universe like 20 times. Plus the fact that I despise Mr. Master more than any one EVER on this forum for his sheer egotism, made me side with them. 😄 No more arguing King Kandy. our forum is being ruined by dumb hulk and storm hacks. We don't need to add to it with bickering.

I know you weren't part of the debate, that's why it pissed me off that you were presenting yourself as some master debator...

But yeah, let's let this thread die now... Every possible pooint has been argued.

Michael is the son of Yahweh, Yahweh isn't supreme, Presence is.
Presence > Yahweh

If you don't say that Michael would stalemate the Presence in a fight, which I doubt you would--or wait a second, no I don't doubt it.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Michael is the son of Yahweh, Yahweh isn't supreme, Presence is.
Presence > Yahweh

If you don't say that Michael would stalemate the Presence in a fight, which I doubt you would--or wait a second, no I don't doubt it.

the Presence is the small part of Yahweh that appears in the DCU.

From my point of view, everyone who tries to prove a winner in this fight is biased. We dont know the limits of Michael the Arc Angels powers, we just know that he surpasses Spectre when Spectre aint fully powered.

I think Living Tribunal wins, but we cant know for sure.

In short words: This aint debating, its pure guessing.

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
the Presence is the small part of Yahweh that appears in the DCU.

Remember, the One-Above-All is avatar of the writers, even Beyonder was the manifastation of Jim Shooter, so he should be above Yahweh as well.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Remember, the One-Above-All is avatar of the writers, even Beyonder was the manifastation of Jim Shooter, so he should be above Yahweh as well.

Yahweh is the sum of the everything in the multiverses depicted in the Lucifer stories. It's detailed in that same issue.

And why do people in this thread keep confusing Lucifer and DC stories up?
Vertigo stories are not canon to DC. They don't acknowledge them at all.
Vertigo isn't even a static reality. It's just a bunch of very well written stories. Shit, outside of the stories of the Endless and Lucifer,for the most part the rest don't even acknowledge eachother.