Originally posted by Nikkolas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_BellocIt says Michael's power being released merely made one universe.
Is it wrong? Can you prove it wrong with soem scans or quotes or something?
U do realize that there are two michaels. one vertigo and one mainsteam
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Presence >> Yewhew > Lucifer + Michael
TOAA >> Living TribunalSo the Living Tribunal is higher up in the heirarchy.
2nd only to the One-Above-All.--
And the Living Tribunal have greater feats, nullifying the power of the power of the Infinity gems, which were far greater than the Ultimate Nullifier that destroyed the Multiverse.
And the Nullifier was far greater than the Cosmic Cube, which were superior to Beyonder who had the power to destroy the Multiverse.LT > IG > I-IG > UN > CC > Beyonder > Multiverse
LT >>>>>> MultiverseWhile Lucifer with Michael's power combinded created "one" universe.
Lucifer + Michael > Universe
Multiverse > UniverseSo feat-wise, the Living Tribunal owns them, in the hierarchy he owns them, in looks he owns them (common he's a golden pimp with three faces)
Ur logic is faulty. Being 2nd in ur own multiverse does not make you more powerful than the third of another. it is also plainly obvious that you do not understand that there are TWO VERSIONS OF MICHAEL, ONE WHO IS INFINITELY MORE POWERFUL THAN THE OTHER. DO NOT CONFUSE VERTIGO MIKE WITH MAINSTREAM MIKE.
Originally posted by NikkolasUmm... you don't get it, do you?
Not very interested in what Michael was supposed to be... Stranger could have been the fourth face of the LT. Stranger = LT? Not really. Michael isn't God so...don't care.
Just using this second to God thing against you.
Originally posted by NikkolasYa... and he isn't Spectre, he doesn't get external powerups. If LT doesn't have the power to do a task, then he is f*cked.
LT does what TOAA wants. If LT's destruction was what TOAA wanted...that's what happened.
Also, Thanos got out... God was... faulty?
God went through all that trouble to ensnare Thanos, but... Thanos had gotten out:
Check and mate.
Originally posted by NikkolasNo, Multi-Eternity is the power of the multi-verse. LT is just a judge... wait, where are you getting this anyway?
Lt is the power of multiverses. Is Michael or Lucifer?
No, they are not... because they don't need redicules feats to prove their power.
Also, Vertigo, DC doesn't have an outstanding multi-verse, like Marvel's... so don't compare them.
Originally posted by NikkolasAnd? Doesn't mean the beings are weaker that were created.
TOAA, by feats, is far and above God iN Vertigo. There is no beyond God's sight in MU. It's an omniverse and everything in it is under TOAA. Not all omniotents are created equal.
Originally posted by NikkolasHe can go outside God's influence.
Where did Lucifer have to be to be "beyond" God? Another universe?
Originally posted by NikkolasGood.
So does LT. In fact, LT > multiverse. So..there ya go.
Originally posted by NikkolasGood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_BellocIt says Michael's power being released merely made one universe.
Is it wrong? Can you prove it wrong with soem scans or quotes or something?
I don't believe that HOTU=Micheal, or even close, but Micheal still whoops LT.
Going by on panel showings which is the only thing on this forum by the rules which carries any true weight or meaning in a debate.
On panel showings show that the LT was destroyed by the HOTU, their was no mention that TOAA wanted LT to die.
To say that LT only lost because TOAA wanted him to lose is the same as saying Spectre only loses because the source wants him to lose; which both statements on this forum by the rules has no weight what so ever.
As it stands the HOTU only made Thanos a multiverse and nothing more, not an omniverse, not a megaverse, he was but a multiverse just as the countless others he saw.
HOTU (power of a complete multiverse) > LT
Vertigo isn't cannon, when will any of you understand this, the Michael from Vertigo is not cannon, as Vertigo comics itself directly contradicts mainstream DC continuity on many points.
HOTU = Power of a multiverse as shown on panel, nothing more
HOTU > LT as shown on panel
Hostless Spectre > Multiversal power, as when he fought the Anti-Monitor who had the power of countless multiverses.
Michael > Hostless Spectre
Michael > LT
Simple as that
Hostless Spectre > Multiversal power, as when he fought the Anti-Monitor who had the power of countless multiverses.
The AM at his best couldn't even one-shot a universe on his own. Didn't he use tAech or weapons?
And please stop using A>B>C Logic.
The only time Spectre was above LT was when he was actually merged with The Presence. Spectre merged with Presence > Michael and Lucifer. Unless you can tell me how exactly they're stronger than him at that point?
And again, when Michael's power was released, did it only make one universe or not?
Originally posted by Nikkolas
The AM at his best couldn't even one-shot a universe on his own. Didn't he use tAech or weapons?And please stop using A>B>C Logic.
The only time Spectre was above LT was when he was actually merged with The Presence. Spectre merged with Presence > Michael and Lucifer. Unless you can tell me how exactly they're stronger than him at that point?
And again, when Michael's power was released, did it only make one universe or not?
Your showing you know little to nothing about DC, as Vertigo isnt even in continuity nor is it Cannon.
The Michael in this debate is the cannon one from Main stream DC, not Vertigo.
Notice that it is Archangel Michael.
Now show me on panel that the Spectre is more powerful then Michael, because Michael has effortlessly handled the Spectre like a child several times to this day.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
And again, when Michael's power was released, did it only make one universe or not?
Originally posted by bigbran
Good.
You do realize that HOTU's power being releashed only REMADE one universe... just pointing it out...I don't believe that HOTU=Micheal, or even close, but Micheal still whoops LT.
Michael's power only made one universe? Again your speaking from Vertigo which isn't cannon or continuity, secondly it created a multiverse, the same as when Elaine made one effortleslly.
The point is, Vertigo Michael Demigeuros is not the same as DC Archangel Michael, two completely different characters.
Michael ever fought this Spectre?
And, wasn't DC originally just a single multiverse? So, if The Presence itself created a single multiverse and Michael is below him...what is Michael?
And LT can hold collections of multiverses in his hands. Plus he and Specter beat the Brothers, as shown by Mr. Master.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Michael ever fought this Spectre?And, wasn't DC originally just a single multiverse? So, if The Presence itself created a single multiverse and Michael is below him...what is Michael?
And LT can hold collections of multiverses in his hands. Plus he and Specter beat the Brothers, as shown by Mr. Master.
DC has never been a singular multiverse, and is not today either, DC is composed of many multiverses, their is a recent comic that came out to with heroes from many different universes/multiverses.
Originally posted by NikkolasIs LT equal to God? No, then what does that have to do with the thread?
Michael ever fought this Spectre?And, wasn't DC originally just a single multiverse? So, if The Presence itself created a single multiverse and Michael is below him...what is Michael?
And LT can hold collections of multiverses in his hands. Plus he and Specter beat the Brothers, as shown by Mr. Master.
The Presence is equal to TOAA on these boards... is this just another way to make a company more powerful than the other?
Do you mean holding the Brothers in his hands? Ya...
You notice how you said that Spectre helped? You also notice how Micheal is above Spectre? Really just makes your case worse...
Yes Mr Master is great... but even he can leave out things *gasp*.
All they did was hold them together for a short time. Did you forget that the Brothers also didn't even acknowledge them? That Spectre and LT were tiny specks. That the duo never beat them, but the Brothers stalemated?
And finally... That the comic was non canon?
Or are you talking about the other non-canon X-Men arc?
Yes, yes, LT makes it canon to him, but it still doesn't mean anything.
If Spectre, and LT beat them (depowered, ret-conned, whatever you want to call it), then it is still irrelevent to this battle.
Also, if you want to use that comic, LT and Spectre were equals.
Looky how the equal fairs.
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/7788/spectre19931012if7.jpg
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8840/spectre19931013bj3.jpg
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/5512/spectre19931016al6.jpg
*gasp*
Micheal wins.
You notice how you said that Spectre helped? You also notice how Micheal is above Spectre? Really just makes your case worse...
Michael never went up against the GEB...even if Specter lost, GEB is stronger than anything Michael has encountered. Plus Specter fought the Brothers. Brothers and GEB = stronger than Michael.
Is LT equal to God? No, then what does that have to do with the thread?
Never said he was but people keep saying Michael > Specter.... a lot of people pwn Specter. He has low showings. His higher showings put him above Michael is what I'm saying.
Yes Mr Master is great... but even he can leave out things *gasp*.
All they did was hold them together for a short time. Did you forget that the Brothers also didn't even acknowledge them? That Spectre and LT were tiny specks. That the duo never beat them, but the Brothers stalemated?
Talking post-retcon. post-retcon Brothers still > Michael as they are megaverses and were forced to merge by LT and Specter.
And finally... That the comic was non canon?
Or are you talking about the other non-canon X-Men arc?
Yes, yes, LT makes it canon to him, but it still doesn't mean anything.
If Spectre, and LT beat them (depowered, ret-conned, whatever you want to call it), then it is still irrelevent to this battle.
'cept post-retcon Brothers still are megaverses in and of themselves. LT can judge them and hold them in his hand.
When did Michael have the power of a megaverse?
Originally posted by NikkolasOdin never went up against HOTU... even if Hulk lost, HOTU is still stronger than anything Odin has encountered. Plus Hulk fought the IG. IG and HOTU = Stronger than Odin.
Michael never went up against the GEB...even if Specter lost, GEB is stronger than anything Michael has encountered. Plus Specter fought the Brothers. Brothers and GEB = stronger than Michael.
Yeh, for shoddy logic. Hulk>>Odin.
Originally posted by NikkolasA lot of people?
Never said he was but people keep saying Michael > Specter.... a lot of people pwn Specter. He has low showings. His higher showings put him above Michael is what I'm saying.
Originally posted by NikkolasMegaverses...are you honestly using that comic as your source?
Talking post-retcon. post-retcon Brothers still > Michael as they are megaverses and were forced to merge by LT and Specter.
Originally posted by NikkolasWhen did HOTU have teh power of a multi-verse?
'cept post-retcon Brothers still are megaverses in and of themselves. LT can judge them and hold them in his hand.When did Michael have the power of a megaverse?
