THe LT vs. Micheal the Arc Angel

Originally posted by Nikkolas
The cosmic Judge of all multiverses who can hold collections of them in his hand wins over Michael. DC isn't even close to as strong as Marvel in cosmics.

I do agree though... because DC DOESN'T have cosmics like Marvel.

What is Lucifer/Micheal? Not f*cking cosmic.
What is Spectre? Not f*cking cosmic.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Omniverse >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of DCU.

I>>>>>>A wild Tiger, because I am watching/guarding it?

Also, yes, whatever, LT is above single BEINGS below TOAA. But, what happened when Thanos gained HOTU?
...
Wait, why didn't LT stop Thanos from gaining the HOTU? LT should be able to see, and stop this, since he is obviously>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Omni-Verse, shouldn't he have? You also can't pull the "Manipulated by God" card either, since LT attacked him.
So what? What exactly happened?

Also... Heaven>>>>>>>>>>>>>Marvel Multi-Verse, and what does Micheal guard (In DC)?

Also, before I get the DC lover attack... it should be known that Marvel is my favorite company.

I wonder if any of this made any sense...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
LT for the win

i agree

LT is assigned to keep order against threats by TOAA... He is a law maker and Judge, whearas Michael is a guard/Soldier.

I don't think LT will be allowed to lose by the powers-that-be.

Originally posted by King Kandy
LT is assigned to keep order against threats by TOAA... He is a law maker and Judge, whearas Michael is a guard/Soldier.

I don't think LT will be allowed to lose by the powers-that-be.

Twice!

Originally posted by bigbran
God's Wrath... nuff said? No? God's Wrath got his salad tossed against Micheal...

Twice!

LT is a favored in the hierarchy, he is of importance supreme over all others aside from the creators.

Multi-verses, multi-verse, doesn't matter... even though, I am almost certain that there are no "multiverseS"...

What is Lucifer/Micheal? Not f*cking cosmic.
What is Spectre? Not f*cking cosmic.

They sure aren't compared to the things Marvel has.

Thanos w/HOTU > them.
PR Beyonder > them.

Marvel cosmics are in a whole other league than DC.

Whatever... so what you would be saying is that, Marvel>>etc, DC, basically? Meh, whatever, doesn't matter really, because it still has nothing to do with LT's power. Based on your arguement, or where you are getting it from:

Marvel has an infinite number of multiverses.

So...yes, it does pown DC.

>>>>>>A wild Tiger, because I am watching/guarding it?

Also, yes, whatever, LT is above single BEINGS below TOAA. But, what happened when Thanos gained HOTU?
...
Wait, why didn't LT stop Thanos from gaining the HOTU? LT should be able to see, and stop this, since he is obviously>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Omni-Verse, shouldn't he have? You also can't pull the "Manipulated by God" card either, since LT attacked him.
So what? What exactly happened?

Because it's Starlin Thanos and that's probably why it's not canon. At least I don't think it is.

Starlin Thanos is nothing but wank.

Heaven>>>>>>>>>>>>>Marvel Multi-Verse, and what does Micheal guard (In DC)?

Marvel omniverse > DC multiverses.

No one cares about Heaven or Hell.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Because it's Starlin Thanos and that's probably why it's not canon. At least I don't think it is.

Starlin Thanos is nothing but wank.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Gods Wrath was at that time... Unemployed.

LT is a favored in the hierarchy, he is of importance supreme over all others aside from the creators.

In Marvel of course...
In DC/Vertigo, Lucifer/Micheal are second to God too.
Basically, you are trying to cancel out Micheal, by ignoring his status.
Except... Micheal doesn't get his ass pawned by something in the universe that was what he was supposed to judge/guard...

Everything of course, but he still should have been able to stop teh Thanos!!!!1 Was he sleeping during this time?
Reed Richards must be outside LT's watch... the same as Lucifer (pretty sure Micheal can too) can go outside of God's influence...

Don't get me wrong, I like LT, but against people like Lucifer, and Micheal... no, not happening.

A lot of things are flawed in this "hierarchy" of the forum too. IG being able to solo both brothers comes to mind right away.

I may not flaunt all my "supposed" knowledge, but I do know some things. I also don't believe a lot of this say, hype? Yes, LT has a fancy title. Yes LT has one showing of someone else saying that he is the guard of "Multiverses", but with no substance, it is a tough one to back up.
On the other hand, the "fallen" brother, Lucifer, has feats of him going outside God's influence, making the Source Wall seem, say "afraid". I'll let someone else explain the Source Wall.

Micheal wins, Lucifer would beat him. Each one beats the IG.

Originally posted by bigbran
Twice?

In Marvel of course...
In DC/Vertigo, Lucifer/Micheal are second to God too.
Basically, you are trying to cancel out Micheal, by ignoring his status.
Except... Micheal doesn't get his ass pawned by something in the universe that was what he was supposed to judge/guard...

Everything of course, but he still should have been able to stop teh Thanos!!!!1 Was he sleeping during this time?
Reed Richards must be outside LT's watch... the same as Lucifer (pretty sure Micheal can too) can go outside of God's influence...

Don't get me wrong, I like LT, but against people like Lucifer, and Micheal... no, not happening.

A lot of things are flawed in this "hierarchy" of the forum too. IG being able to solo both brothers comes to mind right away.

I may not flaunt all my "supposed" knowledge, but I do know some things. I also don't believe a lot of this say, hype? Yes, LT has a fancy title. Yes LT has one showing of someone else saying that he is the guard of "Multiverses", but with no substance, it is a tough one to back up.
On the other hand, the "fallen" brother, Lucifer, has feats of him going outside God's influence, making the Source Wall seem, say "afraid". I'll let someone else explain the Source Wall.

Micheal wins, Lucifer would beat him. Each one beats the IG.

THOTU was like a tumor on Gods scale.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

Still doesn't change the fact that there is no solid evidence of these "multiverses".

Originally posted by Nikkolas
They sure aren't compared to the things Marvel has.

Thanos w/HOTU > them.
PR Beyonder > them.

Marvel cosmics are in a whole other league than DC.

Also, a funny thing. Pr Beyonder doesn't EXIST anymore. And, HOTU was an item... not really cosmics...

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Marvel has an infinite number of multiverses.

So...yes, it does pown DC.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Because it's Starlin Thanos and that's probably why it's not canon. At least I don't think it is.

Starlin Thanos is nothing but wank.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Marvel omniverse > DC multiverses.

No one cares about Heaven or Hell.

It doesn't matter where God resides.

n Marvel of course...
In DC/Vertigo, Lucifer/Micheal are second to God too.
Basically, you are trying to cancel out Micheal, by ignoring his status.
Except... Micheal doesn't get his ass pawned by something in the universe that was what he was supposed to judge/guard...

Not very interested in what Michael was supposed to be... Stranger could have been the fourth face of the LT. Stranger = LT? Not really. Michael isn't God so...don't care.

Everything of course, but he still should have been able to stop teh Thanos!!!!1 Was he sleeping during this time?
Reed Richards must be outside LT's watch... the same as Lucifer (pretty sure Micheal can too) can go outside of God's influence...

LT does what TOAA wants. If LT's destruction was what TOAA wanted...that's what happened.

Don't get me wrong, I like LT, but against people like Lucifer, and Micheal... no, not happening.

Lt is the power of multiverses. Is Michael or Lucifer?

I may not flaunt all my "supposed" knowledge, but I do know some things. I also don't believe a lot of this say, hype? Yes, LT has a fancy title. Yes LT has one showing of someone else saying that he is the guard of "Multiverses", but with no substance, it is a tough one to back up.
On the other hand, the "fallen" brother, Lucifer, has feats of him going outside God's influence, making the Source Wall seem, say "afraid". I'll let someone else explain the Source Wall.

TOAA, by feats, is far and above God iN Vertigo. There is no beyond God's sight in MU. It's an omniverse and everything in it is under TOAA. Not all omniotents are created equal.

Where did Lucifer have to be to be "beyond" God? Another universe?

Micheal wins, Lucifer would beat him. Each one beats the IG.

So does LT. In fact, LT > multiverse. So..there ya go.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Not very interested in what Michael was supposed to be... Stranger could have been the fourth face of the LT. Stranger = LT? Not really. Michael isn't God so...don't care.

LT does what TOAA wants. If LT's destruction was what TOAA wanted...that's what happened.

Lt is the power of multiverses. Is Michael or Lucifer?

TOAA, by feats, is far and above God iN Vertigo. There is no beyond God's sight in MU. It's an omniverse and everything in it is under TOAA. Not all omniotents are created equal.

Where did Lucifer have to be to be "beyond" God? Another universe?

So does LT. In fact, LT > multiverse. So..there ya go.

curious, do you actually know anythng about dc cosmics,feats and items of power?

And why, may I ask, is Lucifer and Michael above Spectre? Spectre is the divine wrath of God and actually merged with Presence once. That makes him a multiverse unto himself.

When did Lucifer or Michael have that sort of power? Lucifer was manipulated down into Hell by God.

And again, all omnipotents are not created equal.

curious, do you actually know anythng about dc cosmics,feats and items of power?

Yes, yes I do. Because I've read about...2 or 3 other LT vs. Lucifer topics on other forums.

I realize this is not LT vs. Lucifer but still. I'm not making brash assumptions. I ask if something is right or wrong. That's why I asked where Lucifer had to go to be "beyond" God.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
And why, may I ask, is Lucifer and Michael above Spectre? Spectre is the divine wrath of God and actually merged with Presence once. That makes him a multiverse unto himself.

When did Lucifer or Michael have that sort of power? Lucifer was manipulated down into Hell by God.

And again, all omnipotents are not created equal.

Yes, yes I do. Because I've read about...2 or 3 other LT vs. Lucifer topics on other forums.

I realize this is not LT vs. Lucifer but still. I'm not making brash assumptions. I ask if something is right or wrong. That's why I asked where Lucifer had to go to be "beyond" God.

Mike is quite literally the power of God. And Lucifer is the will of God. Spectre is god's wrath. THe power and the will are above the wrath.

LT is more important then Spectre or Michael...

He is gods judgement.

Originally posted by King Kandy
LT is more important then Spectre or Michael...

He is gods judgement.

Um No. Marvel and dc HAVE MADE QUITE CLEAR that lt and spectre are equals. Lucifer and mike both own spectre. The LT can't operate outside of God's will. Michael is God's power he's equal to the heart of the universe which owned the LT. Lucifer is God's will and can resist even God's wants. the LT is not more important. what would god be without his will or power?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um No. Marvel and dc HAVE MADE QUITE CLEAR that lt and spectre are equals. Lucifer and mike both own spectre. The LT can't operate outside of God's will. Michael is God's power he's equal to the heart of the universe which owned the LT. Lucifer is God's will and can resist even God's wants. the LT is not more important. what would god be without his will or power?

He wouldn't be much without his will or power. But he still has those things without Lucifer and Michael. He had those qualities before he created them, and he had those qualities after he created them.

My point is that TOAA will not allow LT to lose to Michael, wheras Michael gets no external powers from The Presence.

TOAA will see Michael as a foreign invader, as apposed to Thanos who he saw as a way to fix a problem. If TOAA wanted Thanos to be stopped, then LT wouldn't have lost that battle.

Originally posted by King Kandy
They made it QUITE CLEAR in a non-canon crossover which has no bearing on our discussion.

He wouldn't be much without his will or power. But he still has those things without Lucifer and Michael. He had those qualities before he created them, and he had those qualities after he created them.

My point is that TOAA will not allow LT to lose to Michael, wheras Michael gets no external powers from The Presence.

TOAA will see Michael as a foreign invader, as apposed to Thanos who he saw as a way to fix a problem. If TOAA wanted Thanos to be stopped, then LT wouldn't have lost that battle.

Your argument is silly. The One above all didn't stop the beyonder from owning everyone and everything. your bascally saying mike would be fighting toaa since he won't allow the LT to lose. Get that sht out of here.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your argument is silly. The One above all didn't stop the beyonder from owning everyone and everything. your bascally saying mike would be fighting toaa since he won't allow the LT to lose. Get that sht out of here.

Beyonder didn't really mess things up to much, he erased Death but that problem got fixed on it's own.

TOAA is prepared to defend his Omniverse from the evil creature of the Presence.