I don't download entire albums, but I do download select songs once in a while. Its not illegal in Canada, so I'm slightly less conflicted about it then some might be. I try not to download less known artists and buy to support their work, but I have no qualms about downloading the occasional big band song.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Arctic: They can, actually. You are taking their music in a way it's not intended, they have every right to complain.Morals are relative, so it's not definitely immoral. To me it is, to others it's not. Financially it's wrong.
It is cheating people out of money, what kind of logic do you possess to say it isn't?
You own a downloaded album, so therefore they have just lost one sale. I'm not sure from what pit you hauled that logic, but I suggest it's returned hastily.
-AC
Originally posted by §P0oONY
If downloading wasn't possible, I'd still not buy the album, I do not have the finances to buy everyu album I want to listen to. So they're not losing a sale because I'd never buy them, no matter what the circumstances. I'm not saying downloading music is alright, I'm just saying I do it when I don't like the band enough to ever buy it.
I don't understand. How does this give you the right to listen to it?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Arctic: They can, actually. You are taking their music in a way it's not intended, they have every right to complain.Morals are relative, so it's not definitely immoral. To me it is, to others it's not. Financially it's wrong.
It is cheating people out of money, what kind of logic do you possess to say it isn't?
You own a downloaded album, so therefore they have just lost one sale. I'm not sure from what pit you hauled that logic, but I suggest it's returned hastily.
-AC
I suppose they could complain, but it doesn't really matter anymore. I realized that it was wrong to do it and I stopped. I deleted all my downloaded music off of my mp3 player and began buying the albums instead...so...yeah...I just never realized because it was extremely easy to do, all I had to do was download it then copy it from my music player to my mp3 player, it seemed so harmless...but I have learned.
Originally posted by Kram3r
Saying you don't have the finances to buy and therefore not able or not willing to purchase seems like an excuse to me.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
You're missing the point. I do not download all of my music, I have bought dozens of albums that I have downloaded and enjoyed, in fact because of downloads my tastes in music have broadened to new levels, so you could say that bands are making more money out of me because of illegal downloads. because without them I'd probably be still listening to chart music and I would not be buying them, simply because I could just turn on Radio 1.
Saving a person from being run over by a bus then going to shoot someone in the face doesn't mean they cancel out.
Originally posted by Kram3rI'm in full-time education, my luxury budget equals about £20 a month. **** morals, I'm not going to be deprived of all music because I'm trying to get somewhere in life by staying in education.
Saving a person from being run over by a bus then going to shoot someone in the face doesn't mean they cancel out.
Plus, you're analogy is terrible.
Apart from downloading, it appears there's lots of confusion surrounding what's legal around copying CDs, DVDs...or what's moral...is recording music off the radio moral?
Although a hard and fast answer is tough to determine regarding not purchasing music, I wish people would have enough of respect for artists to pay for any music that’s out there. Having said that, I think times have changed, and if downloading music is legal in your country, then you’d be hard pressed to convince someone it’s not right. I personally wouldn’t do it simply because I think it would upset the artist, but I don’t have a problem with others thinking it’s ok.
I admit musicians clearly have an argument on the basis that aspects of music sharing or copying are simply illegal (depending on where/what), but what REALLY bugs me is when I hear emerging artists complaining that downloading music is infringing on their dreams of becoming professional musicians…a career goal that isn’t all that realistic, and at the mercy of a very fickle industry.
Thing is, there seems to be this idea (and all because of small window in history that we're at the tail end of where music has been marketable), that that's the way it should be. But to that I say, "move on". That golden age for musicians making and selling music (which was really at it's height over only the past few decades) is over...pretty much forever. Musicians these days should come to grips with that reality and stop whining because they just want to be able make a living off their art.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
I'm in full-time education, my luxury budget equals about £20 a month. **** morals, I'm not going to be deprived of all music because I'm trying to get somewhere in life by staying in education.Plus, you're analogy is terrible.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
I'm in full-time education, my luxury budget equals about £20 a month. **** morals, I'm not going to be deprived of all music because I'm trying to get somewhere in life by staying in education.Plus, you're analogy is terrible.
I like it how people can throw away morals at the drop of a hat when it becomes an "inconvenience" to them. BTW, regardless of the quality of my analogy my point is still obviously made.
Originally posted by Kram3r
I like it how people can throw away morals at the drop of a hat when it becomes an "inconvenience" to them. BTW, regardless of the quality of my analogy my point is still obviously made.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
I throw morals out of the window when they don't agree with my way of life. The morality of it isn't a major big deal to me, I'll not lose sleep over anything of the sort. I have no problems with doing it.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I'm sorry, but to me you're basically like a person on welfare that's robbing a grocery store and saying "screw the rules, I'm not gonna let myslef starve just becasue I need my money for rent so I can have a roof over my head until I get my life back on track"...pretty much.
File sharing has contributed to 90% of my music library. I don't pretend that its justifiable in anyway according to society's current moral code. But shit, I steal stuff. Tough shit. I'm going to always look for the easiest way to get something I want. Furthermore, buying CDs is a waste. I usually don't want all ~20 songs that are on the CD. I listen to 4 or 5 songs on an album. There is a handful of albums that had a full playlist I enjoyed. Why spend $15-20 on 4 songs when I can download them for free. And don't give me the "Support the Artist" argument. They aren't losing a dime, artists usually don't get paid per CD sold. They get a lump sum and MAYBE a bonus depending of albums sold.