Thing is, if everyone thought like you, you wouldn't have those 90 out of 100 songs in your library, 'cause musicians comin along would be like "screw it...there's no money in this."...(which in all honesty I'd say is a statement that should be seriously considered before they start whining)....But you're biting the hand that feeds you.
Originally posted by Marxman
Why spend $15-20 on 4 songs when I can download them for free.
Pirublood, it doesn't matter how early musicians release their music, people will always been too stupid and lazy to wait.
Originally posted by Marxman
And don't give me the "Support the Artist" argument. They aren't losing a dime, artists usually don't get paid per CD sold. They get a lump sum and MAYBE a bonus depending of albums sold.
Factually incorrect, though true in a way.
They hardly earn anything off their CDs nowadays because less people are buying, it doesn't mean they do not get a share. Furthermore, as CD prices are globally lowered, the share they get soon become worthless. Do some research, or better yet, go read the article Steve Albini wrote.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
I have no problems with someone stealing a loaf of bread to feed himself if that's his last resort but that is a totally different scenario. I know what I'm doing is wrong but I really couldn't give a shit. People smoke pot and that's wrong but people doing it don't care. People have different morals. Deal with it.
How pathetically stupid.
First off, your "Pot is wrong" stance is ridiculous. There's nothing to ever suggest it being wrong besides legality, and if something is wrong to you because it's illegal, then you're the biggest hypocrite on Earth for indulging in a legal activity and allowing others to decide what's right and wrong to you.
Furthermore, you still haven't explained how bands don't lose a sale when someone is sitting there with an album they made, but hasn't been paid for. Your will or not to pay for it doesn't change the fact that you have money that is owed to them.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How pathetically stupid.
...btw, I'm still wating for you to rip apart my last main post on the subject. Let's see if you...get it. Hee hee 😛
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I usually wanna buy hard to get stuff. If hear a dj spin a track that I like, I might be able to find it on a downloading network, but rarely find it online to by.
Then you must be looking on only one or two sites... Google your song and the album name and you will probably find your song.
And Alpha, I agree with you on everything you said, except there's no reason to call anyone pathetic or stupid. Not to mention pathetically stupid!!!
Originally posted by lorddreamer
Then you must be looking on only one or two sites... Google your song and the album name and you will probably find your song.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Man you're harsh...he's admitting his moral shortcomings, and actually has some fair, hard to argue, points he's made...you clearly didn't read his earlier posts which talk about legality and morals...or just didn't get it....btw, I'm still wating for you to rip apart my last main post on the subject. Let's see if you...get it. Hee hee 😛
He is being pathetically stupid, in my opinion. I'm not here for sympathy, I'm here for discussion. I did get his point, I was debating the "Not losing a sale" facet of it. Not the morality issue, since it's relative.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Apart from downloading, it appears there's lots of confusion surrounding what's legal around copying CDs, DVDs...or what's moral...is recording music off the radio moral?Although a hard and fast answer is tough to determine regarding not purchasing music, I wish people would have enough of respect for artists to pay for any music that’s out there. Having said that, I think times have changed, and if downloading music is legal in your country, then you’d be hard pressed to convince someone it’s not right. I personally wouldn’t do it simply because I think it would upset the artist, but I don’t have a problem with others thinking it’s ok.
I admit musicians clearly have an argument on the basis that aspects of music sharing or copying are simply illegal (depending on where/what), but what REALLY bugs me is when I hear emerging artists complaining that downloading music is infringing on their dreams of becoming professional musicians…a career goal that isn’t all that realistic, and at the mercy of a very fickle industry.
Thing is, there seems to be this idea (and all because of small window in history that we're at the tail end of where music has been marketable), that that's the way it should be. But to that I say, "move on". That golden age for musicians making and selling music (which was really at it's height over only the past few decades) is over...pretty much forever. Musicians these days should come to grips with that reality and stop whining because they just want to be able make a living off their art.
I don't have a problem with anyone coming to their own moral conclusion, all I can do is disagree, and I do. Neither is right or wrong, really. I just dislike it when people impose their moral choice onto what it factually and financially means to illegally download. I.e: "I do it, I don't care...it's not like they are losing money.".
I can see your point about career paths. I think that despite a fickle industry, there always will be a place somewhere for genuine artists to get a place on a label, tour etc. If your dream is fame, then why are you worried about integrity? You can get to the top by selling yourself out. Horrid, but just to say that as an example. If you say "I wanna be a musician!" then you already are, if you make music. If you're truly dedicated about, not necessarily making fame, but making money out of it as a living, it is more and more possible now, especially as people are starting to look into creating their own labels and doing as they wish.
Enter Shikari are one of the most recent examples. I'm not a fan, but they are a group of guys who are all (I think) in their early 20s, and have their own label, purely because major labels were proposing actions and changes they weren't ready or willing to commit to.
Bands in general seem to be, bit by bit, making more and more effort to take control over every facet of their craft, but I honestly cannot see the respect level regarding downloading to change, and as the music industry does move toward more independency, it will take a toll.
Nowadays, I agree, to live off your art...sacrifices of integrity either have to be made, or constantly fought until your label believes they can rely on you to do as you wish, and that's not even guaranteed. I don't think it means bands should just roll over and take it up the ass though.
-AC
...No fun. How about this then. Although I wouldn't download it, I think all music should be free. It's artists who have their heart and head in the wrong place that sit there complaining and whining about people stealing their new record.
Music is here to share...and it comes from somewhere much greater than us. There's two kinds of musicians in this world, ones who come up with music and say, "wow I'm good"...and ones who come up with music can say, "wow that's good"...and that's the correct reaction. They didn't ACTUALLY create the song out of their own abilities. They didn't make their brains, emotions or soul to come up with it...that's ridiculous. Even with a guitarist...there's ones who stand there ripping on their axe and are like "look how awesome I am"...and ones who rip on their axe and can say "hey...look what's happening, look what I can do", which is the proper reaction. Their hands are doing it, but they didn't create what they're doing...it's coming out of them from creation.
I'd personally feel like a s*#% charging someone for my music...I'd feel good just wanting to give it to them and have them enjoy it, and have them save their money too...like it should be. If they really enjoy it, they might give me money to make more. I'm just lucky to be someone who's being used to deliver it, and unlike most rock stars who think they're the bees knees , I'll be happy playing my role in the grand scheme of things and won't b*%$# if someone decides to copy my CD and give it to others.
It's truly sad how pathetic and whorish a lot of popular musicans are. They'll b*%$# about this downloading thing just so they can stay in the game to get the next record deal or paycheque...and for what...so that they can give the world what they've probably fooled themselves into thinking is actually a relevant album, but what is most often truly uninspired song writing, and almost always a poor excuse for an entire album...and this is no surprise considering the driving force for a lot of them is usually money, not inspiration. What a lame, embarrasing existence. Can't say this is true for all musicians, some have lots of money and don't need to whore themselves out, others don't want to becasue of their integrity... but as a whole, popular musicians are a bunch of whores who in the grand scheme of things have no real business charging ANYONE for anything...especially crap that was created for cash. Pathetic.
Bring it.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Pussycat Dolls should, also Girls Aloud (two of them).I will volunteer.
There are one and a half pussycat dolls that should...and indeed 2 Girls Aloud...the others should go die...because they are ugly.
Hmm, that was almost subtle. Except for the dying part. And the reasons for the dying part.