Originally posted by shin_gearHe can cut himself. He can regenerate. His regen makes Dante's look like shite. Jedah just eats his soul Infidel. Alucard from Hellsing is overrated as hell CD.
Right, because anyone who thinks Pyron can lose to another character is a total idiot, no doubt.If Jedah's destroyed completely, he isn't coming back for another century or so from what I've heard, and Jedah can cut himself with his nails.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
And Alucard has a whole lot of gloryfying around himself...Danm, the "last boss" in anime (and anime Dante depicted quite lame though chrinologicallywise it's a prequel to DMC4) was very Alucardish in terms of behaviour...and got pwned.
So Dante has all chances to kick Alucard's ass (and in that rating table was written in which form Dante can be put in mid herald tier- Sparda\Super Sparda form). His regular demonic forms are nothing more than high meta.
what possibly gives super sparda form mid-herald, it cant do anything apart from shoot beams from its hands, its invulerability and protection to dark magic seemingly void since his invulerability is only seen in gameplay, wheras in DMC when he fights Mundus he is A: struck by 3 bolts of dark energy that also shows his not invulerable and cannot deflect all the time dark magic.
So from what ive seen in the games, hes a energy blast shooting flying demonic dude.....not very impressive imo
Originally posted by Burning thought
what possibly gives super sparda form mid-herald, it cant do anything apart from shoot beams from its hands, its invulerability and protection to dark magic seemingly void since his invulerability is only seen in gameplay, wheras in DMC when he fights Mundus he is A: struck by 3 bolts of dark energy that also shows his not invulerable and cannot deflect all the time dark magic.So from what ive seen in the games, hes a energy blast shooting flying demonic dude.....not very impressive imo
The fight with Mundus was the first time Dante even used that form, he was unexperienced with that and fought purely on instinct and Mundus did nothing to him rather than knock him down (if you talk about their first fight). Also Sparda form in DMC1 (which is granted via absorbing the eccense of Sparda sword ) is considered WEAKER than DMC2 SSF.
That's pity that in the crappiest game storylinewise we're supposed to see Dante at his prime.
Also time manipulation from Chronoheart is possible to use in that form.
Sadly the tactically handy ability of Doppelganger (shadow invulnerable double) is from DMC3, but if we use the version that combines all the best traits from timeline (like you, Kain lovers, use Kain not only with stuff from Defiance but with stuff from earlier games if other things aren't stipulated) then it's able to be used.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The fight with Mundus was the first time Dante even used that form, he was unexperienced with that and fought purely on instinct and Mundus did nothing to him rather than knock him down (if you talk about their first fight). Also Sparda form in DMC1 (which is granted via absorbing the eccense of Sparda sword ) is considered WEAKER than DMC2 SSF.
That's pity that in the crappiest game storylinewise we're supposed to see Dante at his prime.Also time manipulation from Chronoheart is possible to use in that form.
Sadly the tactically handy ability of Doppelganger (shadow invulnerable double) is from DMC3, but if we use the version that combines all the best traits from timeline (like you, Kain lovers, use Kain not only with stuff from Defiance but with stuff from earlier games if other things aren't stipulated) then it's able to be used.
that sounds like your own thoughts on the matter, i dont see any evidence that hes mastered or gained any more power in his SSF, and Mundus certainly hurts him, when he shoots 3 dark shards into him, he calls out in pain and falls, and loses his sparda form, also when you say Considered by whom? is it actually said by a main producer or in the game somewhere.
Kain is said to regain his abilities he has in the old games, he never loses them, so i suppose its fair to say that dante never loses his old powers unless their replaced or theres a special reason, for example kain loses some blood omen 1 powers in blood omen 2, but apprently regains them later, like blood shower we can see a form off in Defiance and soul death in Soul reaver 1.
Hmm... first of all, Super Sparda form isn't called Super for no reason. What is better- the form you have to take by absorbing the energy of a weapon or a form you can take without said weapon in your hands after you mastered your powers?
That's not the case where the same power (time manipulation) goes in three games under 3 different names. If something called Super blahblahblah it's safe to assume that it's superior stage of it. Just like Purified Reaver being superior stage to normal Reaver...
DMC2 states "immunity to magic" in FULLY DEVELOPED HIGH demonic form. In first fight with Mundus Dante had experience only with regular demonic form, the powerset of high demonic form was relatively new to him so it was possible for Mundus to knock him down, Dante also put too much effort because of being unexperienced (yet bloodlusted) there o he was forced to take his human form after knock down...he wasn't wounded but was exhausted, plain and sumply.
Dante was a high demonic lord newbie, fighting true high demonic lord for the first time in his life. He also was all pissed off...
What seems the most likely, the last factor came into play, Dante got too hotheaded and put too much energy into his offence forgetting about defence, thuss he got exhausted and was downed by Mundus in a couple of blasts (but prior to that he succeeded in deflecting Mundus' "death ray" with mere eyes).
So being unexperienced with that particular powerset while fighting someone who is at least a couple thousands years more experienced that he was the reason for that knockdown, not Dante being weakling.
Look at the way post-DMC1 Dante (cronologically) behaves and how he has beaten Argosax and Abigal (anime is set between DMC1 and DMC4). But we still have to see Dante in DMC4, maybe that missing link will answer some of our questions.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Hmm... first of all, Super Sparda form isn't called Super for no reason. What is better- the form you have to take by absorbing the energy of a weapon or a form you can take without said weapon in your hands after you mastered your powers?
That's not the case where the same power (time manipulation) goes in three games under 3 different names. If something called Super blahblahblah it's safe to assume that it's superior stage of it. Just like Purified Reaver being superior stage to normal Reaver...DMC2 states "immunity to magic" in FULLY DEVELOPED HIGH demonic form. In first fight with Mundus Dante had experience only with regular demonic form, the powerset of high demonic form was relatively new to him so it was possible for Mundus to knock him down, Dante also put too much effort because of being unexperienced (yet bloodlusted) there o he was forced to take his human form after knock down...he wasn't wounded but was exhausted, plain and sumply.
who is saying he has "mastered" any powers thats what ime wondering, are you assuming just because he is older in DMC2 he is superior in all is techniques, age doesnt atuomatically mean wisdom, wisdom comes from training, if it cannot be proven he trained with his forms then its pointless to say otherwise, also power from a weapon could well be far stronger than his normal form, since he transformed straight from his fathers weapon, the source of his new power. Also thats not a very good comparison since the normal reaver gets amplified directly by Raziel purification and then him going into it, what your suggesting unless you can provide proof since i dont remember some of these immunities to magic and such in DMC 2.
you claim fully developed, where does this information come from, maybe its in the options somewhere or on the little guide thing and i didnt look at it, all i know is that in gameplay which is the only time you can use the power is when your invulerable to harm. Also your assuming, just because hes new he was knocked down? is that the only possibility, ofcourse this is both assumptions, all we know as a fact he was knocked down, but assuming he can deflect anything any time if he trained it is an assumption.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Dante was a high demonic lord newbie, fighting true high demonic lord for the first time in his life. He also was all pissed off...
What seems the most likely, the last factor came into play, Dante got too hotheaded and put too much energy into his offence forgetting about defence, thuss he got exhausted and was downed by Mundus in a couple of blasts (but prior to that he succeeded in deflecting Mundus' "death ray" with mere eyes).So being unexperienced with that particular powerset while fighting someone who is at least a couple thousands years more experienced that he was the reason for that knockdown, not Dante being weakling.
Look at the way post-DMC1 Dante (cronologically) behaves and how he has beaten Argosax and Abigal (anime is set between DMC1 and DMC4). But we still have to see Dante in DMC4, maybe that missing link will answer some of our questions.
thats assuming he can divert his power into offence and defence...thats assumign a lot of things, yes prior to that he stops a beam that does not neccerily mean he can stop it any time he likes.
ill look forward to DMC4 though, certianly
Your sayings about Kain (especially about teleportation) also were lots of assumption.
DMC4 is going to be the missing link (anime which also happens between DMC1&DMC2 and shows Dante who has some time to master his powers a little bit more) wasn't that satisfying due to really limited showing of Dante's powerset (no demonic form was shown at all!) though it showed that high demonic lord with experience can PWN high demonic lord with no experience though great destructive power- Abigal was a rival of Mundus but he was summoned by lame loser and Dante even didn't go all out in fight with him, though the avatar of Abigal did some pretty impressive stuff) and I hope it'll answer some questions.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Your sayings about Kain (especially about teleportation) also were lots of assumption.
DMC4 is going to be the missing link (anime which also happens between DMC1&DMC2 and shows Dante who has some time to master his powers a little bit more) wasn't that satisfying due to really limited showing of Dante's powerset (no demonic form was shown at all!) though it showed that high demonic lord with experience can PWN high demonic lord with no experience though great destructive power- Abigal was a rival of Mundus but he was summoned by lame loser and Dante even didn't go all out in fight with him, though the avatar of Abigal did some pretty impressive stuff) and I hope it'll answer some questions.
what parts on teleportation
i hope so, hopefulyl the game will be good as well
The trailers so far shows that we at least going to see versalite Dante who's able to use almost anything he gets his hands on as weapons and not a-bit-of-one-trick-pony-yet-cool-one-trick-pony from anime (though he did some cool stuff even in that limited incarnation).
That Kain is able to teleport wast distances without Reaver, the cutscene from Soul Reaver only shows him teleporting not very long distance as a beam of energy.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The trailers so far shows that we at least going to see versalite Dante who's able to use almost anything he gets his hands on as weapons and not a-bit-of-one-trick-pony-yet-cool-one-trick-pony from anime (though he did some cool stuff even in that limited incarnation).That Kain is able to teleport wast distances without Reaver, the cutscene from Soul Reaver only shows him teleporting not very long distance as a beam of energy.
its known that at the end by players that he teleports to the time streaming chamber after he breaks the blade, however you dont actually see him appear, so wether he makes multiple teleports its unkown, however other evidence of him not needing the reaver to teleport far is in Blood omen, where he can teleport back to his crypt from anywhere in the world.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
WHO GIVES A SHIT!? Back to the fight. Jedah wins.
liesor Kain takes em both out, then laughs about it!!
"kain turns to jedah and Dante"
this thread has outlasted its usefulness....as have you!
Originally posted by Burning thoughtRight...Jedah just soul eats him. He's eaten 33,000,000 souls in one meal...Kain's is just too easy...
liesor Kain takes em both out, then laughs about it!!"kain turns to jedah and Dante"
this thread has outlasted its usefulness....as have you!
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Right...Jedah just soul eats him. He's eaten 33,000,000 souls in one meal...Kain's is just too easy...
har har, good one old V2D...and i suppose your going to vomit out a video where he does it while frozen in time as well i suppose
Elder God has been eating souls for many ages, then has the power to spin them back into the wheel of fate and bring them to life again as a food source....a soul garden, if he didnt even think of trying to soul suck kain even though its like his element, Jedah isnt going to have a chance either, its possible Kain is immune to soul suck, he has resisted the reaver when he has been bashed with it several times as well.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtJedah absorbed 33,000,000,000 souls, each had at least 10 times more power than what it takes to destroy a planet, in one sitting. Kain is not immune to soul suck, you have said this countless times yourself, and it is said in LOK that the Reaver can kill him. Also, I think its safe to say Jedah's soul suck>>>>>>Reaver. Also, one thing about DS, even the low level D rank Makai, are strong enough to solo a human army. Jedah is an S rank. 😄 Jedah frozen in time? Time is Jedah's plaything, he made a dimension, and in essence, made its time and space. He has dimensional powers and soul powers Kain can't beat.
har har, good one old V2D...and i suppose your going to vomit out a video where he does it while frozen in time as well i supposeElder God has been eating souls for many ages, then has the power to spin them back into the wheel of fate and bring them to life again as a food source....a soul garden, if he didnt even think of trying to soul suck kain even though its like his element, Jedah isnt going to have a chance either, its possible Kain is immune to soul suck, he has resisted the reaver when he has been bashed with it several times as well.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Jedah absorbed 33,000,000,000 souls, each had at least 10 times more power than what it takes to destroy a planet, in one sitting. Kain is not immune to soul suck, you have said this countless times yourself, and it is said in LOK that the Reaver can kill him. Also, I think its safe to say Jedah's soul suck>>>>>>Reaver. Also, one thing about DS, even the low level D rank Makai, are strong enough to solo a human army. Jedah is an S rank. 😄 Jedah frozen in time? Time is Jedah's plaything, he made a dimension, and in essence, made its time and space. He has dimensional powers and soul powers Kain can't beat.
this has not been proven, nobody has shown evidence that the souls themselves have this power inside them, if the owners of the souls do then its irrelevent. No false, in the LOK games, Kain is (wrongly) named the Vampires warrior to fight Raziel the Hyldens (vampire enemy) warrior....and the soul reaver was made especially to kill the Vampire warrior, strangely in the story it turns out Raziel is both, Kain is neither so in truth, nothing is able to take kain in Lokverse, since he is unkillable. Hmm i agree Jedah can take more souls from longer range possibly than the reaver, but the reaver doesnt break or weaken, wheras jedah has died from eating too many souls before, if you can prove each soul was powerful and not just the souls owners, then ill let you have the reaver may not be equel to Jedah in soul suck. This is irrelevent, its said kains sons (especially Raizel) can solo an army, Time is not his plaything, show me this...your using a badly drawn out Hyperbole hypothosis, you seem to claim just because he forms a dimension it has everything our dimension has? can you not comprehend perhaps this dimension does not have time?..has he ever used time powers? not from the informaton ive seen. Kain also has dimensional powers, the only thing Jedah has in the DSverse is his own dimension over kain, everything else kain has except making whole dimensions, but he doesnt do it on a whim...he used all the souls to make it..like his bricks and mortar