Originally posted by NiñoAraña
i hate you 🤨anyway, Wade wins this, you know why?
because he could take a bat-kick and live, that's why
🤨 NO ONE TAKEs AN BAT-KICK, not even God or the Spectre....
But seriously, DP vs Batman 7-8/10
DP is insane, Batman knows this kind
DP is enchanced, Batman knows this kind
DP has an HF, Batman knows this kind
the odds are against Batman, but the odds are always against him and he wins, because the man got Brains, and he is an better Martial Artist.
DP reminds me of Deathstroke, but Deathstroke is more "cunning".
Originally posted by Alfheim
Meh that might have been done just for laughs. What bits of his body werent blown off?At any rate blades dont do as much damage as explosives. The cat temporaily put down DP with his swords. That can be explained because he is a MA expert, therefore explosives in the hands of an MA will serioulsy **** DP up.
If it was done for laughs does that detract from it? Also he's done it more than once so there goes that theory.
The Cat f-ing up Wade like that was for laughs too. Did Wade even lose consciousness during all of that with Shen Keui?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Are you sure DP is stronger? Bats has some impressive strength feats. Bats has kicked down a tree before and if you look at his other feats you could put him at a ton strength.
Yes I am. He has superhuman strength
Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont know if Dp is more agile. Is DP supposed to be enhanced if so The Cat isn't and look what he did to DP.
Yes he is, he has superhuman agility. The Cat is like the "bad" version of Shang Chi who constantly amps himself with the chi. And I think its amazing that you keep falling back to the Cat example as a measuring stick for DP's skills but seem to fail to acknowledge both times he punked Taskmaster, the times he hangs with Wolverine
Originally posted by marvelprince
If it was done for laughs does that detract from it? Also he's done it more than once so there goes that theory.
Ok.
Originally posted by marvelprince
The Cat f-ing up Wade like that was for laughs too. Did Wade even lose consciousness during all of that with Shen Keui?
My point is they were only swords. If there were explosives plced stratgeically it would have done even more damage. Even if he wasnt out for the count, he wasnt exactly running about he was messed up.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Yes I am. He has superhuman strength
Well bats could probably lift a ton, thats superhuman strength. To be quite honest unless hes can lift something like 10 tons the term superhuman dont mean **** to me anymore. People are called peak human but yu see them doing superhuman feats all the time.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Yes he is, he has superhuman agility.
Well see above the term superhuman in street level characters is used loosely.
Originally posted by marvelprince
The Cat is like the "bad" version of Shang Chi who constantly amps himself with the chi.
Should I even bother asking wether hes superhuman?
Originally posted by marvelprince
And I think its amazing that you keep falling back to the Cat example as a measuring stick for DP's skills but seem to fail to acknowledge both times he punked Taskmaster, the times he hangs with Wolverine
Well ok I'll acknowldege the wolverine feats but sometimes he acts like such an amateur.
As for Taskmaster you need to go to the Blade vbs Taskmaster thread. Taskmaster has been jobbing his *** off.
Batman is outclassed, basicly
Alot of the things it batmans arsenal arent good enough to put deadpool down
as DP has taken getting his stomach blown out & suicide grenades amnogst a plethora of damage that would severely damage a noraml person
As soljer (i think) said earlier
DP is atleast good enough to hang with batman, and thats not factoring in his trademark suicidal combat techinques
I cant realisticly see batman winning more than 3 or 2
Wade is very tactical in a strange but effective way
Originally posted by Alfheim
My point is they were only swords. If there were explosives plced stratgeically it would have done even more damage. Even if he wasnt out for the count, he wasnt exactly running about he was messed up.
He was messed up, but then he healed and picked himself up. Again Bruce isn't known for carrying pounds of C4 so I doubt Wade has much to worry about in the case of explosives.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well bats could probably lift a ton, thats superhuman strength. To be quite honest unless hes can lift something like 10 tons the term superhuman dont mean **** to me anymore. People are called peak human but yu see them doing superhuman feats all the time.
I've tried to explain this before but let me try this again. To us who are not comic books characters yes that is super strength. However in the confines of the book its not cause Batman is at a level that is accessible to all humans if they train hard enough. Can we in the real world ever achieve such a state? No we can't, but in the books the parameters of what humans are capable of have been pushed. Therefore Batman has no super strength. He's very strong for a man, but that doesn't count as superstrength. Deadpool on the other hand does have super strength, plus other abilities, as a result of his Weapon X work.
I'll agree though that his strength isn't much of a difference to be a real factor in this fight. Reason why I give Wade the win is cause he almost matches Bruce in skills, has a slight advantage over him in practically every aspect and can take everything Bruce can throw at him an more.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well see above the term superhuman in street level characters is used loosely.
See above.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Should I even bother asking wether hes superhuman?
If it makes you feel any better yes he is
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well ok I'll acknowldege the wolverine feats but sometimes he acts like such an amateur.
True, but not these cases
Originally posted by Alfheim
As for Taskmaster you need to go to the Blade vbs Taskmaster thread. Taskmaster has been jobbing his *** off.
Dude, Blade has superhuman everything. All of his stats are far above Taskmaster. Taskmaster should be used as an indicator of skill than anything
Originally posted by Alfheim
At any rate blades dont do as much damage as explosives. The cat temporaily put down DP with his swords. That can be explained because he is a MA expert, therefore explosives in the hands of an MA will serioulsy **** DP up.
That's ignorant. Seriously. A blade is a more precise weapon than an explosive.
What you just said amounts to "A trained surgeon could do more damage with a nuke than could the average person.
Grenade to the face by Aunt May = grenade to the face by Frank Castle.
It's the same damned thing.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Catch him off guard? He humiliated him in front of an audience while tide by his hands and feet.
Overall, as entertaining as it was, Deadpool didn't really show any superior skill in that fight. His healing factor basically saved him when TM stabbed him through the chest with his sword.
Originally posted by Accel
Overall, as entertaining as it was, Deadpool didn't really show any superior skill in that fight. His healing factor basically saved him when TM stabbed him through the chest with his sword.
Now ill admit, Taskmaster was a bit downplayed in that fight (not to discredit DP at all, becuase hes amazing)
That aside, sure, his healing factor saved him but then again, isint insane healing factor what makes deadpool, deadpool? he can do things like that without much worry
The fact remains that Taskmaster has never had a seriuos fight with DP. NEver. All of his fights with wade have been jokes. His fights with wade never display any of hsi skills.
If you want to talk about Wade's skills Talk about wades fights with Iron Fist, Daredevil or soemthing. Talk abouthis fights with Bullseye (now that was one hell of a fight)
To hell without much worry, he just does it because he can. Missing half his torso, sword through the chest, breaking his own limbs, cutting his fingers off, etc means nothing to me other than a gurgle or two in his speech.
Sadly yes, DP's stats are superhuman in every category, strength, speed, agility, etc not to mention his "instantaneous reflexes".
I have no doubt that Batman is by far a better martial artist than DP, just like Cap, Daredevil, and IF most likely are. That much of a better all out fighter though? Im not too sure about that.
Like I said offer DP a bag of cheesy puffs and a date with the Olsen twins and we have a dead batman..
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Now ill admit, Taskmaster was a bit downplayed in that fight (not to discredit DP at all, becuase hes amazing)That aside, sure, his healing factor saved him but then again, isint insane healing factor what makes deadpool, deadpool? he can do things like that without much worry
Originally posted by Warmonger
The fact remains that Taskmaster has never had a seriuos fight with DP. NEver. All of his fights with wade have been jokes. His fights with wade never display any of hsi skills.If you want to talk about Wade's skills Talk about wades fights with Iron Fist, Daredevil or soemthing. Talk abouthis fights with Bullseye (now that was one hell of a fight)
In what I believe was their first meeting after initially losing to Taskmaster they had a straight up fight (in front of TM's students) which Wade won due to his erratic fighting style. TM couldn't read him and Wade kicked his can.
Besides, I'm not here to argue Wade's skill vs Taskmaster or anyone. My thing is that Wade has enough skills to hang with any of these top tier fighters but its his healing factor and other abilities that get him the win.
I don't see why everyone argues that when Wade and Wolverine take hits (that they know they can survive) it is indicative of a lack of skill. I mean, a five year old throws a temper tantrum, and tries to hit you, sure you could dodge out of the way, but why? Him banging his little fists against your leg isn't going to affect you in any noticeable way...
Even pro fighters will take a glancing blow, rather than expend energy dodging it. They know it will be ineffectual and not harm them, so why put in the effort to completely dodge it? Why concentrate on dodging something, when you could be concentrating on taking your opponent out.
Or, of course, Wade and Logan could always take hits to open their opponents' guard. We've seen them both do this on numerous occasions. Does that make them any less skilled? No. Any more skilled? Not really. I'd say they are just utilizing their advantages to the fullest.
If they didn't have a healing factor, would they still be taking these hits? Doubtful.
Meh, my little rant.
Originally posted by Soljer
I don't see why everyone argues that when Wade and Wolverine take hits (that they know they can survive) it is indicative of a lack of skill. I mean, a five year old throws a temper tantrum, and tries to hit you, sure you could dodge out of the way, but why? Him banging his little fists against your leg isn't going to affect you in any noticeable way...Even pro fighters will take a glancing blow, rather than expend energy dodging it. They know it will be ineffectual and not harm them, so why put in the effort to completely dodge it? Why concentrate on dodging something, when you could be concentrating on taking your opponent out.
Or, of course, Wade and Logan could always take hits to open their opponents' guard. We've seen them both do this on numerous occasions. Does that make them any less skilled? No. Any more skilled? Not really. I'd say they are just utilizing their advantages to the fullest.
If they didn't have a healing factor, would they still be taking these hits? Doubtful.
Meh, my little rant.
and a grande rant it was 🙂
Originally posted by marvelprince
He was messed up, but then he healed and picked himself up. Again Bruce isn't known for carrying pounds of C4 so I doubt Wade has much to worry about in the case of explosives.
Yes he is. Part of his standard arsenal is liquid nitrogen capsules.
Originally posted by marvelprince
I've tried to explain this before but let me try this again. To us who are not comic books characters yes that is super strength. However in the confines of the book its not cause Batman is at a level that is accessible to all humans if they train hard enough. Can we in the real world ever achieve such a state? No we can't, but in the books the parameters of what humans are capable of have been pushed. Therefore Batman has no super strength. He's very strong for a man, but that doesn't count as superstrength. Deadpool on the other hand does have super strength, plus other abilities, as a result of his Weapon X work.
I know what you said, its not about the bar for human potential being raised highier. Its about marvel not knowing what the hell they are doing. Superhuman strength in marvel begins around 1000lbs. Now if superhuman strength begins around 1000lbs and Cap can lift 1100Lbs with ease Cap is not peak human he is superhuman, period. Basically Marvel throws these terms like superhumn, enhanced human and peak human when its all usually the same damn thing.
Its difficult to quantify agility but if you could Cap and Bats would probably have superhuman reflexes as well.
Originally posted by marvelprince
I'll agree though that his strength isn't much of a difference to be a real factor in this fight. Reason why I give Wade the win is cause he almost matches Bruce in skills, has a slight advantage over him in practically every aspect and can take everything Bruce can throw at him an more.
Im sorry but his strength and reflexes are probably about the same.
Originally posted by marvelprince
See above.
ditto.
Originally posted by marvelprince
If it makes you feel any better yes he is
Peak human/superhuman/enhanced human....same damn thing. Hell if Shin kui is superhuman how the hell does Shang Chi keep up with him then? Shang Chi is peak human and has a similar skill level to Shin. If Shin has superhuman stats Shang Chi should not be able to hang with him, but Shang can because......peak human/enhanced/superhuman is the same thing to street levelers.
Originally posted by marvelprince
True, but not these cases
Well why the **** didnt Cap do that to Wolverine in Origins? Hell im not saying Deadpool is stupid but if DP can do it cant Cap do it? Serioulsy Wolverine just does my ****ing head in.
What Wolverine was starving and had been awake for days and still manages to outsmart Cap, but DP manages to make Wolverine look stupid at full potential. Serioulsy....Wolverine *gestures with hand*...other my head mate.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Dude, Blade has superhuman everything. All of his stats are far above Taskmaster. Taskmaster should be used as an indicator of skill than anything
Lets put it this way..
Originally posted by jinzin
yup.. something I noticed as of late...Tm does GREAT against people with low level fighting ability, he can use his mimiced moves to mess up all sorts of opponents up close including the likes of spiderman, iron man, and even captain marvel....
but what TM doesn't do very well, is consistently beat tough street levels with level 6 to 7 fighting ability...
for instance, elektra, she was pounding on him in both of their fights and there was nothing he could do about it except use DD's fighting style to throw her off her game... but the next time they fought she clobbered him in like one or two hits.
He was able to beat down deadpool the first time they met but after that he's lost every encounter since (on a side note the same thing applies to spidey as well).
Captain america has beat his ass.
Hell, even the falcon has given him problems in hand to hand combat...
Taskmaster at his absolute best is a complete beast.. the thing is, TM at his best isn't a major consistency for the guy since the earlier days of his incarnation....
consistently, he'll lose to blades, skills, superior speed, power and supernatural durability/ healing factor...
I mean we saw how spooked he got when he saw moon knight keep coming at him after being shot by a few arrows... after seeing blade keep coming with a sword in his gut TM's gonna be craping himself...
at his absolute best, the way the character was originally intended to be by his creater... Tm wins..
using consistency as a basis.. he loses.
The falcon beat Taskmaster.... schmoll Taskmaster is getting "depowered" like Frank.
Originally posted by Soljer
That's ignorant. Seriously. A blade is a more precise weapon than an explosive.What you just said amounts to "A trained surgeon could do more damage with a nuke than could the average person.
Grenade to the face by Aunt May = grenade to the face by Frank Castle.
It's the same damned thing.
An explosive can be like a blade if it blows up on a pressure point.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes he is. Part of his standard arsenal is liquid nitrogen capsules.
To which Wade says been there done that
Originally posted by Alfheim
I know what you said, its not about the bar for human potential being raised highier. Its about marvel not knowing what the hell they are doing. Superhuman strength in marvel begins around 1000lbs. Now if superhuman strength begins around 1000lbs and Cap can lift 1100Lbs with [B]ease Cap is not peak human he is superhuman, period. Basically Marvel throws these terms like superhumn, enhanced human and peak human when its all usually the same damn thing.[/B]
Considering Cap is been stated to be the epitome of human perfection, essentially to a point that no other human can achieve by purely training I'd say he's justified in his strength
Originally posted by Alfheim
Its difficult to quantify agility but if you could Cap and Bats would probably have superhuman reflexes as well.
Cap I could see, cause as I said no other human can reach Cap's level. They can get close enough to wear it won't make much of a difference but it'll be a factor nonetheless. Batman does NOT have superhuman reflexes
Originally posted by Alfheim
Im sorry but his strength and reflexes are probably about the same.
Close but not the same.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Peak human/superhuman/enhanced human....same damn thing. Hell if Shin kui is superhuman how the hell does Shang Chi keep up with him then? Shang Chi is peak human and has a similar skill level to Shin. If Shin has superhuman stats Shang Chi should not be able to hang with him, but Shang can because......peak human/enhanced/superhuman is the same thing to street levelers.
I don't think I said Shen is superhuman. If i did then I apologize. I meant that he's almost always in a constant state of chi amping, just like Shang (though I'm pretty sure thats what I said).
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well why the **** didnt Cap do that to Wolverine in Origins? Hell im not saying Deadpool is stupid but if DP can do it cant Cap do it? Serioulsy Wolverine just does my ****ing head in.
Simple really. Remember how Logan managed to subdue Cap but slashing him? Something like that would do jack to Logan. W/o his healing factor I don't think Deadpool has much chance against Logan, but with it and in combo with his own "suicuidal" style of fighting and thinking smart he can score a win.
Originally posted by Alfheim
What Wolverine was starving and had been awake for days and still manages to outsmart Cap, but DP manages to make Wolverine look stupid at full potential. Serioulsy....Wolverine *gestures with hand*...other my head mate.
Well whatever Wolverine does to Wade he heals from. Plus its very hard to focus when in a fight with DP cause he doesn't shut up. Part of the reason he could make Wolverine look bad is by pissing him off
Originally posted by Alfheim
The falcon beat Taskmaster.... schmoll Taskmaster is getting "depowered" like Frank.
Was that recently?
Originally posted by Alfheim
An explosive can be like a blade if it blows up on a pressure point.
I don''t follow this. How does a bomb (albeit a small one) act as precise as a bladed weapon?
