Wolverine's will against Kyle who reached omnipotence based off of a ring that is solely based on a persons will power...hrmm...
Kyle character is ALL about will, Hal was fearless and became Parallax. Kyle was a little emo artist who had to use his will to over come everything and out do the power Parallax had.
Kyle's will is far beyond what Wolverine could comprehend.
The thing is, comparing wills isn't that easy. Wat I've noticed is that people are generally comparing Wolverine's mutant powers to Kyle's power ring, which is a silly argument altogether.
I mean, Wolverine's will helped him avoid death after being burned to a skeleton... with the help of a mutant healing factor. And Kyle's will contained a big bang... with the help of a power ring that can essentially do any thing.
You keep missing the point that the ring is based solely off of a persons will power, alas a GL's power level is in direct correlation with their will. You could hand a crack head the ring, are they going to be able to use it? No, why? They don't have the will to.
Like I siad earlier as far as I know Wolverine's healing isn't will powered, its just natural depending on the severity of the damage done.
I'm aware of what powers a GL ring, but considering all the things a power ring can do, you can't just use Kyle containing a big bang as proof of superior willpower because Wolverine doesn't have any thing to compare to a weapon like that that feeds off his will.
And a case can also be made for Wolverine's healing factor, since he did pretty much fight off an illusion to avoid dying after losing all his body mass. But it's not like you can take away Kyle's ring, suddenly burn off all his body mass, except for the skeleotn, and then delcare that he has less willpower because he doesn't heal back.
Take away Wolverines healing, he isn't going to get burned to a skeleton and come back. Not to mention his healing isn't will powered as far as im aware unless someone has a scan showing otherwise..
Kyle whole character is sheer will power. The ring can do ANYTHING you can WILL it to do. Like I said you can't give a crack head a GL ring and expect him to do anything with it. Now give the same crack head Wolverines can heal from one cell and he should have no problem coming back from a skeleton..
And take away Kyle's power ring and you'll find he won't be quite as successful in even containing grenade going off. And if a crack head wouldn't be able to withstand the pain Wolverine has to tolerate when ever he loses all of his skin or fight Lazarus when he's about to die. It works both ways. Kyle's whole is utilizing his willpower into making the most powerful weapon in the universe do his bidding, which doesn't show Kyle has superior willpower, but that he has a much more practical use for it.
You're not comparing their respective willpowers. You're really just comparing Kyle's power ring to Wolverine's mutant nature.
That's because his ring is his power, that would be like taking away Wolverines healing and saying he'd take the same punishment. He tolerates the pain because he has and can, hell if I had a healing factor pain would be my last concern, does that change my will power? Yep, because im going to be a lot less cautious in my actions. Difference being Wolverine doesn't need his will to heal.
Kyle got his ring and was a whiney, emo, artist. His ring allowed his will power to make him eventually reach near omnipotence. You don't get the ring and reach the levels you have to have the will to do so, which like I already said would take a lot more than coming back from a skeleton or having the will to not die.
Utilizing his will power yes, but the power that the ring can put out is based completely on the bearers will power, kyle surpassed parallax because of his will. No will, no power from the ring.
You do realize that that same logic can turned around, right? If you had the most powerful weapon on the universe on your finger and you knew a big bang was about to explode, don't you think you'd be able to summon the willpower to contain it?
And Wolverine tolerating intense pain is indicative of willpower. Even if you know you will heal quickly form a serious injury, can you honestly say you'd be able to tolerate the pain of say, having all your skin burned off? Taking punches from a Class 100 character and getting back up?
Kyle achieved omnipotence because he took in the full power of the Green Lanterns and became Ion. The fact is, he didn't use pure willpower to achieve that level. Regardless of Kyle's power, we're comparing his will to Wolverine's will, not his ring to Wolverine's will. You can't say that Kyle's willpower = Kyle's willpower + power ring.
but the thing is... in oreder for the ring to achieve this great power, (such as holding in a great bang), its wielder must have enough will powerto do so. if I picked up the most powerfull ring in the universe, i wouldnt be able to do it, because will power is the rings power. its not like the ring was able to achieve this, the willpower gave the ring the power to do it.
kyles will power is greater than wolverines. wolverine cant hold a blast capable of destroying the entire universe.
Originally posted by AccelIs this a rhetorical question... 馃槚hifty:
Even if you know you will heal quickly form a serious injury, can you honestly say you'd be able to tolerate the pain of say, having all your skin burned off?
Also, give me way more duribility, a super healing factor, a bigger pain threshold, virtual immortality, an adamantium skeleton, and I could probably do it...
I mean, if the fire couldn't kill me, then I could withstand it...
Every power has it's limits. Even willpower/imagination has it's limit like every other power. Hal stated on the other hand that Kyle's imagination is/will is quite unmatched. Although Hal's will is greater. Wolverine knows he will heal, he knows he has adamantium.
But Kyle don't. He has a power ring which is a powerful weapon but although having it's limits. My meaning is when your only weapon/superpower is based on willpower you will have a great will. Wolverine cannot stop isn't only because he got such a great will. He has healing factor which gives 4% discount off from the will coz he heals from every single damage almost immediately.
Knowing you will heal isn't quite the same as being able to take intense pain without so much as an "ouch." The ability to withstand pain doesn't come with the healing factor; that's just something a person who's used to pain develops over his lifetime.
The fact is, we all know the power ring is much much more powerful and can do almost any thing. With that knowledge alone, can no one here truly say that if they had possession of one, they wouldn't be able to work up the willpower to do universal things with it after some practice?