Kyle Rayner vs Wolverine ("will power battle")

Started by Jyppe7 pages
Originally posted by Ize19
Mind naming the comic he said that in? I just want to confirm when it happened, that's all. I'll admit I think I've read that before, so I'm not calling you a liar, just like to read it again, that's all.

Better yet, I'll scan it for ya. He does spurr the claws out and fights, but I only stated what he said 馃檪

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Here: http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/Wolverine149.jpg

Originally posted by Jyppe
Here: http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/Wolverine149.jpg

and yet he fights the whole time perfectly fine and even at one point is fighting all the robots him self

Originally posted by Jyppe
I have a comic where powerless Wolverine doesn't want ot spurr out his claws. He says that he will bleed to death unless he blacks out because of the pain first. 馃檪

Guess the healing factor does do a lot for him, eh?

Yeah and I have a comic where a powerless Wolverine who is nearly dead from long term adamantium poisoning takes on Mr. Sinister 1 on 1. I have another comic where a powerless Wolverine takes on Sabretooth/Deathstrike/Omega Red solo. All 3 of whom are easily a match for him with powers. I have comics where Wolverine's willpower pretty much supercharges his healing factor which as stated it's not supposed to be able to do.

I wipe my ass with your low end example.

None of you naysayers are giving Wolverine's willpower the credit it deserves. The guy fights every second of every day not to be reduced to a mindless psychotic killer animal. He fights that urge all the time. It is there with him every waking moment. Kyle doesn't have to deal with something like that, neither does that tard Hal. Wolverine's willpower is easily one of the strongest in comics. Anyone who says different is simply ignorant. Which concerning this forum comes as no suprise.

Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine's willpower is easily one of the strongest in comics. Anyone who says different is simply ignorant. Which concerning this forum comes as no suprise.

i agree. stronger than kyle . . .? not sure. close enough to be a debateable issue? i'd definitely say yes.

Originally posted by Validus
Oi! It was later revealed (thats retconned for you new folks) that Kyle wasn't a totally random choice.

Vally!! 馃檨

I'm like, so happy you're still alive man!

With you gone, and Jun and Avy not posting as much, its hard to have good debates.
Bran and Soleran and Soljer and others are fine, but its not the same man....ITS NOT THE SAME!!

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At my homotional ass.

considering wolverine essentially wills himself back from the dead, i'd say he might have the edge.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Vally!! 馃檨

I'm like, so happy you're still alive man!

With you gone, and Jun and Avy not posting as much, its hard to have good debates.
Bran and Soleran and Soljer and others are fine, but its not the same man....ITS NOT THE SAME!!

馃槝

At my homotional ass.

OMG!

Stop now man, stop!

Yeah, that was really ghey of me......

Titties!!

Titties!!!

TITTIES!!

Originally posted by riceroost
The guy fights every second of every day not to be reduced to a mindless psychotic killer animal. He fights that urge all the time. It is there with him every waking moment.

It sounds like someone just added that one day thinking it'd make Wolverine sound more badass instead of a more terrible character.

neither does that tard Hal

If there were more GL fans on this board I'd say that was a stupid thing to say.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
If there were more GL fans on this board I'd say that was a stupid thing to say.
It's the truth. If you stood Hal next to Wolverine and measured the amount of $hit they've had to endure Wolverine's willpower and fortitude to keep fighting would vastly overshadow Hal Jordan. Wolverine's with a power ring would gutterstomp Hal Jordan.

Originally posted by riceroost
It's the truth. If you stood Hal next to Wolverine and measured the amount of $hit they've had to endure Wolverine's willpower and fortitude to keep fighting would vastly overshadow Hal Jordan. Wolverine's with a power ring would gutterstomp Hal Jordan.

will needed power to hold back a supernova > than the will power needed to have a sh!ty life

Originally posted by riceroost
It's the truth. If you stood Hal next to Wolverine and measured the amount of $hit they've had to endure Wolverine's willpower and fortitude to keep fighting would vastly overshadow Hal Jordan. Wolverine's with a power ring would gutterstomp Hal Jordan.

That is the biggest bullshit I have heard in awhile.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
will needed power to hold back a supernova > than the will power needed to have a sh!ty life

not true. Wolverine every wakign moment is a testiment of will. He holds the beats in check due to will. The beast it self in a prosona of will which as been able to over come TP TK and number of times and has never been beaten. He has been stated numerous times as being able to keep fighting and be alive through will alone, becuase his own budy had failed him.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Or KMC Upgrades...People are doing some major Wolverine fanatism around here...But I haven't seen anything like this before....
lol

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It sounds like someone just added that one day thinking it'd make Wolverine sound more badass instead of a more terrible character.

That "someone" was Claremount and that "one day" was Uncanny X-men 96... 馃槙

and If Wolverine was a DC character, Hal would still be a test pilot now.

problem is simple -- the entire existence of a gl is BASED on willpower. willpower is constantly mentioned, any feat they do willpower is exemplified.

because it is so showcased, it seemingly makes it very difficult to compare willpowers of other characters to willpowers of gl's. gl's have a tool to manifest willpower and make it clear how much willpower is being wielded.

wolverine -- or any other character -- HAS no such tool. does NOT being a gl automatically imply that someone's willpower<gl? what about deathstroke?

i'm not prepared to say wolverine's will>kyle's. i AM saying logan does not have the tool necessary to DEMONSTRATE the strength of his will as kyle does, thus making it almost impossible to 'prove' logan's will is equal to kyle's or ANY gl. does this mean ALL gl's willpower>logan's . . .?

that said, i DO think this is closer than many seem to.

Originally posted by leonidas
problem is simple -- the entire existence of a gl is BASED on willpower. willpower is constantly mentioned, any feat they do willpower is exemplified.

because it is so showcased, it seemingly makes it very difficult to compare willpowers of other characters to willpowers of gl's. gl's have a tool to manifest willpower and make it clear how much willpower is being wielded.

wolverine -- or any other character -- HAS no such tool. does NOT being a gl automatically imply that someone's willpower<gl? what about deathstroke?

i'm not prepared to say wolverine's will>kyle's. i AM saying logan does not have the tool necessary to DEMONSTRATE the strength of his will as kyle does, thus making it almost impossible to 'prove' logan's will is equal to kyle's or ANY gl. does this mean ALL gl's willpower>logan's . . .?

that said, i DO think this is closer than many seem to.

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Look at Wolverines history. In all his days he has been placed in fights that he has no business winning, or even being matched up in, yet he sticks in there and does the unthinkable.

If Wolverine were given a GL ring, he could possibly be one of the most powerful of the bunch.

Originally posted by leonidas
problem is simple -- the entire existence of a gl is BASED on willpower. willpower is constantly mentioned, any feat they do willpower is exemplified.

because it is so showcased, it seemingly makes it very difficult to compare willpowers of other characters to willpowers of gl's. gl's have a tool to manifest willpower and make it clear how much willpower is being wielded.

wolverine -- or any other character -- HAS no such tool. does NOT being a gl automatically imply that someone's willpower<gl? what about deathstroke?

i'm not prepared to say wolverine's will>kyle's. i AM saying logan does not have the tool necessary to DEMONSTRATE the strength of his will as kyle does, thus making it almost impossible to 'prove' logan's will is equal to kyle's or ANY gl. does this mean ALL gl's willpower>logan's . . .?

that said, i DO think this is closer than many seem to.

I think alot of it has to do with what they usually fight for. Seflessness and all of that. GL's would sacrifice and have fought with the protection of worlds in mind, Wolverine is more of an antihero and while he has done good is usually more geared towards getting the job done.

Leo's stance is pretty much what I've been saying this whole time.

Only difference is, when he says it, almost no one argues against it.