On Combat skill if you mean Shiva's a better fighter because she knows more named techniques then "Yes" she's the better MA.
But if you mean Shiva's a better fighter in hand to hand in the chess game of fighting and effective fighting the this I disagree. Considering her 3 fights with Batman and 3 with Batgirl and sadly the Prom fight.
Considering Cap's mind is enhanced for learning many martial arts plus all his experience. Then add the tons of decades of exp he recieved from the time-reboots of Korvac. Then well you got a guy who knows how to fight. Shiva is the better MartialArtist, Cap is the better Fighter.
Captain America may not know the vibrating palm strike or Leopard blow. His strikes are more then dangerous, even without the SSS he defeated a monster of a fighter in Crossbones(and CrossBones has given him problems with the SSS to boot)
And in a non-peak-human weaker/dying body, Cap easily paralyzed Giant-Man with pressure-points and put down easily the Superhuman Yellow-Jacket.
So his no named MA moves are just as dangerous if not more so. And those are feats without the SSS.
Originally posted by Draco69Captain is a natural at fighting. But Shiva was born to fight and she simply knows more MA skills and techniques than he does.
Plus the fact that she possesses the same "body-reading" ability that Batgirl enables her to read Cap's every move as well as copy it.
Cap's a good fighter but he's not an MA like Shiva or Richard Dragon or Shang Chi...
And if you think about it, Cap's had what a couple of years in WWII to learn some MAs and few years as an Avenger to do the same?
Where in the world did he find the time to learn every MA style there is?
Originally posted by braz
ummmm no. ❌ i gotta disagree with u on that one. Captain America is just about better than Shiva in every way, except combat skill. shes trained her whole life and has that body language reading stuff that gives her an edge over anyone like Batgirl does. Shiva>Batgirl>Batman>Cap, in h2h fighting skill. now, because Steve may have some enhanced physical attributes, he would take this fight, plus he has his shield. 😬Capt 6/10
God I hate these arguments, "Man this person known every fighting style so they are more skilled blah blah blah"
Let me ask you two something, lets say, 2 people had to kill each other. They are on an open field, no obstructions, and start 5000meters apart. Person A has been trained in many different types of guns, ranging from pistols to rifles to grenade launchers, any type of hand held firearm you can think of. Person B has been trained on 3 guns, the M-9, M-16 and the Sniper rifle. Both are excellent shots (equals) and get to choose any weapon they want at the start of battle.
Who do you think wins, and logical person would say 50/50 right!!?? They both pick sniper rifles and is a toss up right!!?
Now heres the kicker....Person B has enhanced senses, can see farther, can see things in slower motion, can feel atmosphere disturbance's, can hear better, etc, etc etc.
Now who is favored!!???
My point is, Just because you know more about shoting guns, doesn't make you a better at shoting guns, or in this case fighting.
Hell, batman knows every fighting style right!!?? how does he ever lose in H2H!!??
Knowing more is overrated, Don't get me wrong, it helps, but being more efficient in all your movements and the things you do know is what matters. Of course, there aren't too many better at this then cap.
And having peak everything doesn't hurt either.
here is where in depth knowledge kicks in
Shiva can through her ears and eyes perceive with clarity what Cap is doing and what he's going to do next and then follow up with.
she knows, without thinking, or effort shiva knows. [147 and counting distinct martial art disciplines + lifetime of experience on Earth's battlefields and all]
blindfolded and wearing headphones on high volume Shiva still thumps Cap. Her mastery of the Mental and Healing arts allows her to see the world in chi, allows Shiva to sense the innermost intentions of every pulse in proximity. Not even Deathstroke slinking up behind Shiva in a cloaked vibranium costume has a prayer. not even Batman.
forget Superman/Batman Public Enemies Shiva was mentally resisting Gorrilla Grod enhanced with cybernetics
Shiva is an Even Better Healer than Fighter, strange but true. The Question provides this startling revelation in his own title.
Shiva is very skilled and stuff she knows a lotta ninja kung-fu stuff and sh*t ....So she'll probaly know with witch techniek Cap beat her into the hospital 😂
Cap's body is in top condition + he knows a lot of kung-fu to + is a lot longer in the superhero/villain branch than Shiva so he has more expirience
He's definitly gonna have a hard time defeating Shiva but after a long hard fight he'll take the b*tch down
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blindfolded and wearing headphones on high volume Shiva still thumps Cap. Her mastery of the Mental and Healing arts allows her to see the world in chi, allows Shiva to sense the innermost emotions of any living being in proximity. Not even Deathstroke slinking up behind Shiva in a cloaked vibranium costume has a prayer. not even Batman.forget Superman/Batman Public Enemies Shiva was mentally resisting Gorrilla Grod enhanced with cybernetics
Wha? Not even Deathstroke has a prair in cloaked vibranium and not even Batman. This sounds like more opinion and not what has been shown in the pages of accurate continuity.
Shiva's a great martial artist but she has never defeated Batman in her three fights that she has had with him. She beat BG once and BG beat her back twice.
Saying Shiva can see the world in chi and not even Deathstroke has a prayer and not even Batman is as about as accurate for someone to say because Daredevil can hear all muscles twitching to the very shifts in the air and because of so..... Captain America or Ironfist don't stand a chance. Its far from accurate.
Your Shiva is not the one seen in the books.
She has Batgirl's body-reading ability. She more than willing to kill. and she has much more experience than Cap. See she's been fighting all her life whilst Cap only started fighting during WWII then got frozen and woke up and was with the Avengers for a while. I say Shiva wins but it'll be a big fight due to SSS.
She has Batgirl's body-reading ability. She more than willing to kill. and she has much more experience than Cap. See she's been fighting all her life whilst Cap only started fighting during WWII then got frozen and woke up and was with the Avengers for a while. I say Shiva wins but it'll be a big fight due to SSS.
Cap has his own unique anticipation combat. Cap as a soilder knows when he has to kill and when he doesn't. Plus its not his first time fighting someone who kills.
More experience probably not for Shiva, though your are right and Cap did indeed get frozen. But in the years of WW2 thats all Cap did in learning, fighting, and sleeping. Probably not always in that order.
Even currently after suspended animation he picked up were he left off to the point that Rogers even recieved decades of experience thanks to the time-reboots of Korvac.
Yes but i doubt that he'll be able to combat someone who'd read his movements so well. He might as well be an open book that reading itself to her. She's also a proven bullettimer. So speed being his is very much so debatable. She is more skilled. She spent her whole life studying fighting and killing teachers of many fighting fdrms. So i feel she wins. it'll be a fight because of the fact that he has superior strength and endurance due to the SSS.
Originally posted by capt it up
CAPT'S MIND IS NOT ENCHANCED AT ALL
Well, yes and no.
You see, capt said himself he sees things slower, which why he can track and Dodge bullets.
Eyesight is only half of dodging, thinking to do so is the other.
Obviously, his brain must think slightly faster then your normal human to perceive and process the information through is brain fast enough to know which way to Dodge.
Maybe I'm pushing. But i was actually on the john reading a BP comic in thought about this the other day, people who move at beyond human, or superhuman speeds, have to process that information faster.
For instance, go run as fast as you can, I mean all out, how well do your perceive your surroundings!!? I'm sure not as good as you if you were standing still. Cap moves faster then you, and is still able to dodge multiple bullets and attack various foes.
Cap has to be processing information faster then normal humans to do the stuff he does, goes for most other people who posses some degree of superhuman speed.
Just a thought I was having the other day, not concrete.