Originally posted by capt it up
speed wise he in the same class as spidermancombat speed is different from running speed and in that reguard he is clearly superhuman. He ahs moved so fats people can not even see him moving
1. Wolverine isn't in this thread. Captain America and Shiva are. Please keep it on topic.
2. Captain America has moved so fast people couldn't track him. Hundreds of times. Quite literally.
Originally posted by blackwarrior
Actually I was just trying to show that his fighting skills are not
quite as awesome as some believe.
it's a bad scan to try and do that. At that point cap's body was degenerating and breaking down as a result of the serum wearing off. He was weakened quite a bit, and even though he still KNOWS quite a bit of martial arts, his body simply couldnt keep up.
the loss of the serum isn't simply a "powering down", rogers needs it to survive due to his age.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That sounds above peak human to me.
Go to the Cap vs. Spiderman thread. Apolloknight and Daredevil nailed it.
But yes, Cap's moved faster than people could follow quite a few times. Peak Human? Enhanced Human? Low level superhuman? They are all too close to adequately distinguish.
Originally posted by Soljer
Go to the Cap vs. Spiderman thread. Apolloknight and Daredevil nailed it.But yes, Cap's moved faster than people could follow quite a few times. Peak Human? Enhanced Human? Low level superhuman? They are all too close to adequately distinguish.
Yeah, "peak human" is a little broad- cap's abilities are somewhere above what an UN-enhanced human can hit, but below superhuman. He's done feats that really should be beyond him dozens of times.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Yeah, "peak human" is a little broad- cap's abilities are somewhere above what an UN-enhanced human can hit, but below superhuman. He's done feats that really should be beyond him dozens of times.
Jumping out of a window, dodging bullets, and landing/surfing on a jet seemed pretty Superhuman to me, 😛.
Originally posted by Soljer
1. Wolverine isn't in this thread. Captain America and Shiva are. Please keep it on topic.2. Captain America has moved so fast people couldn't track him. Hundreds of times. Quite literally.
Capt has moved fast enough for people not to see him? I never recalled that ever happening. How ever in terms of speed he at least lady shiva equal if nto superior
Originally posted by braz
ummmm no. ❌ i gotta disagree with u on that one. Captain America is just about better than Shiva in every way, except combat skill. shes trained her whole life and has that body language reading stuff that gives her an edge over anyone like Batgirl does. Shiva>Batgirl>Batman>Cap, in h2h fighting skill. now, because Steve may have some enhanced physical attributes, he would take this fight, plus he has his shield. 😬Capt 6/10
The only part of that that is true is that Shiva and Batgirl are more skilled then Batman. Captain America, on the other hand, is more skilled then all three. He is one of three (four if you count Dragonfly... and five if we assume Moving Shadow has the same training as Shang Chi) people in Marvel who have been stated, on panel, to have Mastered every known form of combat. Captain America is more skilled then any street based fighter in DC, hands down, no ifs ands or buts. Shiva or Richard Dragon, the two top dogs, are mirror images of Shang Chi in the skill department and Captain America is more skilled then Chi.
EDIT: And I'm a Canadian! Saying I don't relate with Captain America is an understatement... hell, I barely like the guy - where as Batman is in my top five favourite characters (he is fourth... right above Elijah Snow) - but Marvel's high tier streets are just better then (most of) DCs.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only part of that that is true is that Shiva and Batgirl are more skilled then Batman. Captain America, on the other hand, is more skilled then all three. He is one of three (four if you count Dragonfly... and five if we assume Moving Shadow has the same training as Shang Chi) people in Marvel who have been stated, on panel, to have Mastered [B]every known form of combat. Captain America is more skilled then any street based fighter in DC, hands down, no ifs ands or buts. Shiva or Richard Dragon, the two top dogs, are mirror images of Shang Chi in the skill department and Captain America is more skilled then Chi. [/B]
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It's been stated on panel as well that Shiva, Batgirl and Batman have managed every known form of combat. On Earth anyway....
And Cap isn't more skilled than Shang Chi....
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No?
How about being surrounded by over a dozen armed men who have their guns TRAINED on him, only to have him jump at least thirty feet into the air so quickly that they don't even realize he's moved?
How's that sound? 😬.
EDIT: As far as Chi being a better fighter than Captain America;
Originally posted by Draco69
😐It's been stated on panel as well that Shiva, Batgirl and Batman have managed every known form of combat. On Earth anyway....
Captain America isn't better than Shiva in MA. Or Richard Dragon. Or Batman.
You're probably the first person who's ever stated such....
And Cap isn't more skilled than Shang Chi....
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Originally posted by srankmissingninSo Captain America is the most skilled h2h fighter in both Marvel and DC comics? And of course by corollary since you believe Wolverine to be equivalent to Captain America, Wolverine also shares the position of being most skilled in both comic universes.
The only part of that that is true is that Shiva and Batgirl are more skilled then Batman. Captain America, on the other hand, is more skilled then all three. He is one of three (four if you count Dragonfly... and five if we assume Moving Shadow has the same training as Shang Chi) people in Marvel who have been stated, on panel, to have Mastered [B]every known form of combat. Captain America is more skilled then any street based fighter in DC, hands down, no ifs ands or buts. Shiva or Richard Dragon, the two top dogs, are mirror images of Shang Chi in the skill department and Captain America is more skilled then Chi.EDIT: And I'm a Canadian! Saying I don't relate with Captain America is an understatement... hell, I barely like the guy - where as Batman is in my top five favourite characters (he is fourth... right above Elijah Snow) - but Marvel's high tier streets are just better then (most of) DCs. [/B]
Sorry not buying it. Hyperbole is not a superpower. 131
Originally posted by Draco69
😐It's been stated on panel as well that Shiva, Batgirl and Batman have managed every known form of combat. On Earth anyway....
And Cap isn't more skilled than Shang Chi....
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If you can find a scan, or provide an issue number, where it is stated Batman/Shiva/Cass or even Dragon or Turner have mastered every martial art, please do. As is I'm pretty sure they closest to that is the number 127... which isn't the same thing.
Yes he is, Zaran said so himself.
Originally posted by Soljer
No?How about being surrounded by over a dozen armed men who have their guns TRAINED on him, only to have him jump at least thirty feet into the air so quickly that they don't even realize he's moved?
How's that sound? 😬.
That's speed. And strength. Due to his peak human stats.
But that doesn't indicate MA skills better than friggin' Richard Dragon...
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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So Captain America is the most skilled h2h fighter in both Marvel and DC comics? And of course by corollary since you believe Wolverine to be equivalent to Captain America, Wolverine also shares the position of being most skilled in both comic universes.Sorry not buying it. Hyperbole is not a superpower. 131
*whispers*
I... I think maybe Cap more skilled then Wolverine.
But IMO the top three in Marvel are Cap, Wolverine and Elektra, all being pretty close to equal.... and all better then any DC streets.
