Actually, all that the quote speaks for is how Vader would have defeated Luke at the time they dueled, it has no relation the the then current Luke, though Vader could most likely take him anyway, but that's neither here nor there.
ok well that quote also proves that vader never used his powers to its fullest in the movies
No it doesn't, it means that he never used his powers to the fullest against Luke. Against Obi-Wan, he would have had no reason not to fight at his very best, and the Ultimate Visual Guide conforms with this. So unlucky about the quote in no way changing that Vader sucks donkey dick.
How about you look in the last topic you tried to call Vader shit in...Vader vs Bane, where in that topic your argument got completely destroyed and you ran away and Zelphiel to debate for you since you know...suck ass. The real question is why hasn't this latest instalment of of you been banned yet?
besides, that argument makes no sense whatsoever. If he fought like shit, at his best, in ANH, and then fights better in ESB and ROTJ when not at his best, how is his ANH performance his cap? Obviously he wasn't fighting his best against OB1, otherwise he would have never improved, which he did. Given this statement, he wasn't going all out because he wasn't trying to kill Luke. All in all, Vader could have taken Luke at any moment. He didn't have to toy with him, talk and throw his saber near him, talk some more and blah blah blah...Vader could have killed Luke in that fight, and ROTS Anakin would just straight up smash Luke in a duel.
That's because it's easier to display more skill and power against a weaker opponent than it is a stronger one. Also, since when would you automatically fight with far less speed and skill when holding back from killing someone? It's not like Vader was trying to make himself appear weaker or anything, and it's not like he wouldn't be able to prevent himself killing Luke if he was fighting with all his skill, which you guys seem to think. Refraining yourself from killing your opponent in no way makes you fight with less skill.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
How about you look in the last topic you tried to call Vader shit in...Vader vs Bane, where in that topic your argument got completely destroyed and you ran away and Zelphiel to debate for you since you know...suck ass. The real question is why hasn't this latest instalment of of you been banned yet?
Here's a tip: slow down, take it easy, and please try and make sense, Papa Bear. Now how about copying and pasting your awesome rebuttals onto this thread, and I can guarantee I'll destroy it.
Why would I bother? I've already beaten your argument before Nebaris, you got nothing new (your still touting the UVG as your only source) and even in the UVG its says Vader was confident he'd win. You basing "Vader sucks" off of "He did his best to wear the old Jedi down" is ridicules. Oh and I believe you've had one other source which was a quote by Lucas that you twisted to try and fit your sad argument. And that got shitted on too. So no little buddy I'm not wasting my time.
Really, why would I post an argument when you've yet to even make single one that even makes sense and doesn't twist Lucas's word.
And I HIGHLY doubt you'd destroy ANY argument on theses forums since its never happened, and likely never will.
Question: Why aren't you banned yet.
Originally posted by allfg
That's because it's easier to display more skill and power against a weaker opponent than it is a stronger one. Also, since when would you automatically fight with far less speed and skill when holding back from killing someone? It's not like Vader was trying to make himself appear weaker or anything, and it's not like he wouldn't be able to prevent himself killing Luke if he was fighting with all his skill, which you guys seem to think. Refraining yourself from killing your opponent in no way makes you fight with less skill.
Nebaris we've also been through the whole "holding back doesn't make you less skilled." and you proved you know absolutely nothing about REAL sword fighting, sports and MMA. Stick to Star Wars.
Oh yes because Old Hermit Kenobi is SOOOOOO powerful that he forced Darth Vader to slow down to ridiculously slow speeds.
Even though we've seen Vader go toe to toe with Darth Maul, Dark Lady so many damn other Jedi, we've seen him move lightning fast, ect ect.
But it was Old Ben who Vader had commented on his powers DRASTICALLY declining, and who Vader thought was a joke, who FINALLY pushed Vader to his limits!
Really Nebaris...oh and BTW ROTJ Luke >>>>>>>>> Old Ben.
1. The Ultimate Visual Guide states that Vader did his best to wear Old Ben down. In other words, he tried his hardest, and performed to the best of his abilities.
2. Logic dictates that when you try your hardest against an opponent, you would display your true skill.
3. Against Old Hermit Kenobi as you put it, Vader is slow, unagile, strikes with his saber unfluidly, has terrible footwork, and displays no real skill.
In other words, Vader sucks donkey dick.
But go ahead and refute this, if you can. But just so you know, unrelated boxing analogies and clear misunderstanding of the whole concept of taunting your opponent won't cut it.
Originally posted by allfg
AgainstOld Hermit Kenobi as you put itSidious,VaderMace is slow, unagile, strikes with his saber unfluidly, has terrible footwork, and displays no real skill.In other words,
VaderMace Windu sucks donkey dick.But go ahead and refute this, if you can.
That's why we have EU.
Originally posted by allfg
1. The Ultimate Visual Guide states that Vader did his best to wear Old Ben down. In other words, he tried his hardest, and performed to the best of his abilities.2. Logic dictates that when you try your hardest against an opponent, you would display your true skill.
3. Against Old Hermit Kenobi as you put it, Vader is slow, unagile, strikes with his saber unfluidly, has terrible footwork, and displays no real skill.
In other words, Vader sucks donkey dick.
But go ahead and refute this, if you can. But just so you know, unrelated boxing analogies and clear misunderstanding of the whole concept of taunting your opponent won't cut it.
I'm not wasting my time since I've already done it.
Originally posted by Spidervlad
Old Ben let Vader kill him only due to the fact that he wanted to become a spirit to guide Luke. He KNEW luke would become a great jedi, and he wanted him to suceed. Ben wanted to help Luke become such a jedi, because Ben KNEW that only Luke can bring balance to the force and kill Vader.
That Ben let him kill him, is correct. However, either if you were aiming at this or not, it does not mean Obi is superior. (Note, I'm not saying you're saying that)
1. The Ultimate Visual Guide states that Vader did his best to wear Old Ben down. In other words, he tried his hardest, and performed to the best of his abilities.
And then in the sentence before that it says he's confident he'd win. His exact line in the movie is:
"Your powers are weak, old man."
In the script and novel it indicates that Obi Wan was outclassed, and he was being overwhelmed by Vaders mere presence
"Ben seems to be under increasing pressure and strain,
as if an invisible weight were being placed upon him. He
shakes his head and, blinking, tries to clear his eyes." - ANH script
But yes clearly these two are equals 🙄 and that Obi Wan is a match for Vader even though he could barley focus because of Vaders power weighing down on him.
Your quote doesn't even make sense in the context its in, the quote is referring to the scene when they enter the docking bay and Vader is apparently "trying his best" when all Vader does in that scene is slash twice, jab and lock sabers. Then we have Vader in ROTJ moving with MUCH more speed, constant attacks, being able to defend MUCH better then he had, MUCH more control and precision, and even then he wasn't going all out.
Before you start "well lessesr opponnets blahblaala" ROTJ Luke is clearly stronger then Old Ben in the force, he is better physical shape, is quicker, stronger and a all around MUCH better duelist. Plus he has the Kaiburr crystal bumping up his force abilities.
Your logic contradicts the movies and all forms of common sense.
My sources > The Ultimate Visual Guide.
In other words, Vader sucks donkey dick.
Some ones really stuck on bestiality...
But go ahead and refute this, if you can. But just so you know, unrelated boxing analogies and clear misunderstanding of the whole concept of taunting your opponent won't cut it.
Nebaris when will you understand that your shit is weak and you all around suck ass?
And then in the sentence before that it says he's confident he'd win. His exact line in the movie is:"Your powers are weak, old man."
Again, learn to understand the whole concept behind taunting your opponent, dumbass. It doesn't suddenly mean that you must be taking it easy or not seriously or anything, which is what you're trying (and failing) to prove.
In the script and novel it indicates that Obi Wan was outclassed, and he was being overwhelmed by Vaders mere presence"Ben seems to be under increasing pressure and strain,
as if an invisible weight were being placed upon him. He
shakes his head and, blinking, tries to clear his eyes." - ANH scriptBut yes clearly these two are equals and that Obi Wan is a match for Vader even though he could barley focus because of Vaders power weighing down on him.
Wow, clearly someone needs to learn how to read, because I never said that Ben and Vader were close or equals or anything, in other words that entire post was useless and a waste of time, so unlucky you big dummy. The point is, no matter how much better Vader was, he was clearly trying his best against Vader. Vader's superiority is irrelevant. The point I'm arguing is that he didn't hold back against Ben, and what he showed in ANH is an accurate description of how skilled he is.
Your quote doesn't even make sense in the context its in, the quote is referring to the scene when they enter the docking bay and Vader is apparently "trying his best" when all Vader does in that scene is slash twice, jab and lock sabers. Then we have Vader in ROTJ moving with MUCH more speed, constant attacks, being able to defend MUCH better then he had, MUCH more control and precision, and even then he wasn't going all out.
Again you're wrong. The quote is in respect to the entire duel, so again, your post is a huge waste of time. Doesn't it feel bad wasting all this time and constantly being wrong, Papa Bear?
And in response to what I put in bold, you have still failed to respond to this:
Also, since when would you automatically fight with far less speed and skill when holding back from killing someone? It's not like Vader was trying to make himself appear weaker or anything, and it's not like he wouldn't be able to prevent himself killing Luke if he was fighting with all his skill, which you guys seem to think. Refraining yourself from killing your opponent in no way makes you fight with less skill.
Chop chop big guy!
Before you start "well lessesr opponnets blahblaala" ROTJ Luke is clearly stronger then Old Ben in the force, he is better physical shape, is quicker, stronger and a all around MUCH better duelist. Plus he has the Kaiburr crystal bumping up his force abilities.
He also lacks experience, control, and wields his saber like a baseball bat. Obi-Wan's expertise and mastery of the saber is much greater than Luke's, and he knows how to handle the kind of shit from Vader that Luke couldn't. And you speak as if Vader was leagues better in the other movies that he was in ANH, which is BS.
Your logic contradicts the movies and all forms of common sense.
No it doesn't.
Some ones really stuck on bestiality...
I say it how it is. Vader sucks donkey dick, bad.
Nebaris when will you understand that your shit is weak and you all around suck ass?
GayCStyles, when will you understand that your shit is whack and you all around suck dick?