Test your own Morality

Started by BackFire9 pages

Re: Test your own Morality

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I thought of this question for months, and still never came up with an answer I am satisfied with:

[b]Presented Situation: Mankind has come up with a time machine that will allow you to travel back in time before the Holocaust began. Your mission is to go back in time and assassinate Hitler, in order to prevent the Holocaust from ever happening. If you kill Hitler, the Holocaust will not happen, and all those lives will be spared

The PROBLEM: The Time Machine will only work once, and you only have enough power and accurate coordinates to travel to the time when Hitler was an infant. You have to kill Hitler when he was 2 years old. This will be your only chance to kill him and prevent the horrible atrocity that is the Holocaust.

Question: Can you do it ? Would you kill the baby Adolf Hitler to prevent the Holocaust from ever happening ? Is killing one infant worth saving millions of lives ? [/B]

I wouldn't kill him. I'd just cause so much trauma and fear that he'd lack the self esteem to lead anyone, let alone a nation.

And just for kickers, I'd **** his mom.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Shit, sorry.

Don't worry about it then. I didn't realise it was so few.

Hahahahahahaha, I was going to make a funny response but yours was good enough.

Originally posted by BackFire
Hahahahahahaha, I was going to make a funny response but yours was good enough.

Though not perfect?

Coulda used a bit more rape references and a few insults at you, but overall it was very good, 8 out of 10.

I'd paid some assassin to do it for me. A more professional job since I'm a lousy shooter.

HA! Beat that suckers!

Originally posted by BackFire
Coulda used a bit more rape references and a few insults at you, but overall it was very good, 8 out of 10.

I'm sure a couple of the only 3 million got r.....

You are a sick man, Backfire. A sick, sick man.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm sure a couple of the only 3 million got r.....

You are a sick man, Backfire. A sick, sick man.

Love me.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Reading that did really hurt, Jacope.
You didnt know? Hitler always wanted to be an Artist when he was younger, but lost the award to a JEW or something like that. I swear, im not kidding no matter how odd and bizzarre this sounds.

Originally posted by JacopeX
You didnt know? Hitler always wanted to be an Artist when he was younger, but lost the award to a JEW or something like that. I swear, im not kidding no matter how odd and bizzarre this sounds.

I believe you're referencing a Family Guy joke.

Sadly, Family Guy isn't an authority on historical accuracy, though it should be.

Originally posted by BackFire
Love me.
Always have and always will.

Originally posted by JacopeX
You didnt know? Hitler always wanted to be an Artist when he was younger, but lost the award to a JEW or something like that. I swear, im not kidding no matter how odd and bizzarre this sounds.

Oh I know you are not kidding. You are just wrong.

Though the Art School application is accurate. The rest is...well, if not made up then a rather uneducated guess.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Shit, sorry.

Don't worry about it then. I didn't realise it was so few.

the point is not the actual number. the point is that all you know....or I know....is the information given to us by the enemies of the nazis.......information that has, in the past, proved to be completely inaccurate........I'd say 3 million counts of murder wrongly charged to someone is a big deal, even if he is responsible for 3 million others.

how could you kill someone with your own hand without ever knowing for sure beyond a reasonable doubt that he is guilty of crimes he is charged with? He was never on trial. He was never allowed to defend himself. I couldn't pull the trigger......no matter what his enemies said he did.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
the point is not the actual number. the point is that all you know....or I know....is the information given to us by the enemies of the nazis.......information that has, in the past, proved to be completely inaccurate........I'd say 3 million counts of murder wrongly charged to someone is a big deal, even if he is responsible for 3 million others.

how could you kill someone with your own hand without ever knowing for sure beyond a reasonable doubt that he is guilty of crimes he is charged with? He was never on trial. He was never allowed to defend himself. I couldn't pull the trigger......no matter what his enemies said he did.

For the right reasons I could do it to an "innocent" infant.

not being proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in no way means "innocent".

What about the information given to us by eyewitness, people who actually were in the concentration camps and saw the attrocities Hitler factually committed.

Regardless of the actual number of deaths he's responsible for, the fact remains that millions of people were killed by him out of blind pure hatred. Thus, you could know for sure, beyond a reasonable doubt that he killed a lot of ****ing people, whatever the actual number.

Then again..what kind of court in the world would accept him as an innocent man.

Look, Hitler lived in an era of Gangsters and Low life thugs (well, actually, we're still living in those times...but anyways.) just hired some Hitman and take him out.

If you can find Hitler is innocent because he didn't really kill anyone directly.

Then why would you find me hiring a Hitman to kill him...wrong?

Originally posted by Evil Dead
not being proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in no way means "innocent".

That's the point. If there is a very big chance that what is claimed might happen, that could be enough reason to do it.

Originally posted by BackFire
What about the information given to us by eyewitness, people who actually were in the concentration camps and saw the attrocities Hitler factually committed.

Regardless of the actual number of deaths he's responsible for, the fact remains that millions of people were killed by him out of blind pure hatred. Thus, you could know for sure, beyond a reasonable doubt that he killed a lot of ****ing people, whatever the actual number.

perhaps, perhaps not. While I agree Hitler is responsible for every single death that occurred in a concentration camp....I have never seen evidence that it was out of "blind, pure hatred". His beliefs were that his German race was being dilluted by Jews......it was not out of hate that he wanted them gone, it was to keep Jewish blood from further mingling with Aryan. Evidence (in the form of official documentation) was recovered after the war re-inforcing this........as the Nazis had tried to rid Germany from Jews for 2 years before resorting to the camps. That is why it was called the "final" solution.

what he did was wrong in my point of view.......but it's not my place to condemn him. He ruled his country and made decisions that resulted in the deaths of 3 million jews. How many slaves does that make George Washington responsible for killing when he was in power of the US. Are we to go back and kill Washington, Jefferson, Adams, etc. when they were infants too? Do Jewish lives mean more than Black lives? ofcourse not. They were doing what they thought best for their country at the time.......just as Hitler was. We don't agree with what he thought best......but he had the right to make such decisions. Hell....we ourselves rounded up Japanese Americans and put into camps during WWII. Some did indeed die in those camps...........it wasn't 3 million but a life is a life.......are we to go back and kill Roosevelt when he was a child? He was doing what he thought best for his country........

It's not my place to condemn people for the decisions they made when there is no possible way I can relate to any of the variables that went into their decision making. I couldn't kill George Washington as a boy.....I couldn't kill Thomas Jefferson as a boy.......I couldn't kill Adolf Hitler as a boy........I couldn't go back and kill any world leader as a child based soley on the amount of deaths that occurred as a result of their decisions as adults.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
perhaps, perhaps not. While I agree Hitler is responsible for every single death that occurred in a concentration camp....I have never seen evidence that it was out of "blind, pure hatred". His beliefs were that his German race was being dilluted by Jews......it was not out of hate that he wanted them gone, it was to keep Jewish blood from further mingling with Aryan. Evidence (in the form of official documentation) was recovered after the war re-inforcing this........as the Nazis had tried to rid Germany from Jews for 2 years before resorting to the camps. That is why it was called the "final" solution.

what he did was wrong in my point of view.......but it's not my place to condemn him. He ruled his country and made decisions that resulted in the deaths of 3 million jews. How many slaves does that make George Washington responsible for killing when he was in power of the US. Are we to go back and kill Washington, Jefferson, Adams, etc. when they were infants too? Do Jewish lives mean more than Black lives? ofcourse not. They were doing what they thought best for their country at the time.......just as Hitler was. We don't agree with what he thought best......but he had the right to make such decisions. Hell....we ourselves rounded up Japanese Americans and put into camps during WWII. Some did indeed die in those camps...........it wasn't 3 million but a life is a life.......are we to go back and kill Roosevelt when he was a child? He was doing what he thought best for his country........

It's not my place to condemn people for the decisions they made when there is no possible way I can relate to any of the variables that went into their decision making. I couldn't kill George Washington as a boy.....I couldn't kill Thomas Jefferson as a boy.......I couldn't kill Adolf Hitler as a boy........I couldn't go back and kill any world leader as a child based soley on the amount of deaths that occurred as a result of their decisions as adults.

The evidence that he hated them is in the fact that he thought that murdering them was a lesser evil than allowing their blood to marry with the aryans. He had these feelings quite simply because of prejudice and hatred. He hated them so that he saw them as a lesser lifeform, subhuman, even. This semantical stuff of "well, he didn't REALLY hate them, he just wanted them dead so they wouldn't soil genes" is incredibly weak, IMO. I think it's clear to any reasonable person that hatred was the main basis for his actions against the jews, no matter how it may have been disguised. Come on, man "No, I don't hate them, *kills, murders, tortures jews* I just don't want them merging with my people" You really buy that?.

As far as the second paragraph, intent is the important factor there. All of the above mentioned made terrible decisions and yes, a life is a life, but Washington didn't go out with the intent to murder every single black person just because he didn't like them. Roosevelt wasn't attempting to slaughter every asian person he saw as if they were a scourge set on the planet, their intentions were all much different from Hitlers. They made bad decisions that caused some death in the process, though it wasn't their intention. Murder was Hitler's intention, he intended to kill jews - fact.

Originally posted by BackFire
I believe you're referencing a Family Guy joke.

Sadly, Family Guy isn't an authority on historical accuracy, though it should be.

Whatever episode you are trying to refer, I probably never seen it since I have no clue what you are talking about.

I would like to tell you the story but I have a feeling that people are just going to doubt it.

Originally posted by JacopeX
Whatever episode you are trying to refer, I probably never seen it since I have no clue what you are talking about.

I would like to tell you the story but I have a feeling that people are just going to doubt it.

Oh, you can tell us the story alright. But really, it is not true. He got refused twice by an Austrian art school. That's a fact. Rest you said didn't happen.