Originally posted by ScooblessActually, it doesn't state that only characters are limited to it. Hence we asked it before our first match. That PM is over a month old.
So you're posting a PM after the match has finished even though the rules clearly state that only the characters are limited to lightspeed?😬
If it's that old then you should have posted it earlier or got BD to say something because at this point you're effectively retconning the rules to suit yourselves after the match has finished.
It wouldn't exactly be fair if we posted a rule that BD agreed to that hurt your team at this point.
Either we all work with the same rules from the start or the whole tourney becomes pretty stupid.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Err...I am pretty sure that we said that the objects are limited to lightspeed in our official posts and said that Batdude told us so...you should have demanded more proof and asked for the PM...you didn't. Not our fault.
Demand proof of an PM that I never knew existed? saying a couple of times "Batdude said the limits were...." means nothing when the rules were posted clearly for everyone to see and did not once mention speed limitations of attacks.... in fact, with characters all moving around at light speed, without the ability to have an attack move faster than that would mean that almost no-one would have ever been hit in the entire tourney .... and as teleportation is instantaneous travel, it is far faster than light and should also be banned.
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You had the info that you were arguing with ... the fact that you never actually presented it during the match was was an unintelligent decision.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
When we are talking about the distances we are talking here...it's not really the same thing.
I disagree. We were never circling all of Apokalips, just the immediate vicinity so that you couldn't fight us with your magical power-ups. So lightspeed, > lightspeed, etc. is kind of a moot point.
Originally posted by Scoobless
Demand proof of an PM that I never knew existed? saying a couple of times "Batdude said the limits were...." means nothing when the rules were posted clearly for everyone to see and did not once mention speed limitations of attacks.... in fact, with characters all moving around at light speed, without the ability to have an attack move faster than that would mean that almost no-one would have ever been hit in the entire tourney .... and as teleportation is instantaneous travel, it is far faster than light and should also be banned.😬
You had the info that you were arguing with ... the fact that you never actually presented it during the match was was an unintelligent decision.
It's not up to us to question OUR statements and proof, is it?
You had asked us to present the info...we would have done it so.
I think he's just upset because, for this particular point, we were debating with incomplete information....but had know way of knowing it, whereas you guys did.
But seriously, this is upsetting to me because there were, oh, maybe 150 seperate points to consider in our battle. Let's not let this 1 point drown out the battle itself, because as I've said a few times, > or = lightspeed doesn't really make a big difference.
I don't care about your statements, I care about everyone playing by the same rules. Everyone in the tourney was playing with the rules posted at the start of the discussion thread ... except for you two it seems.
Why would I, at any point, demand proof of rules that were posted for everyone to see whenever they liked?
all right . . .
3 big factors that never really sat all that well with me in this fight were these:
(1) phantom becoming a herald, let alone the uni-power. i suspect digi and scoob knew they were fighting an uphill battle against me on that score before the match even began, as we had had PAST discussion about the choice of phantom. for all your convincing, it really never was shown that phantom has or even could become someone or something of that level. afterall, there is a whole RACE of phantoms. if they could become THAT powerful, well . . . they'd be a LOT bigger threat to the universe, imo, and immortus and the timekeepers in particular . . . besides, there is also the notoriously inconsistent manner in which the uni-power DOES manifest. to automatically say it grants optimum levels . . . 😬 too big a stretch imo . . .
so basically i was looking at it with digi's team sans uni-power + herald power, + all the stuff that came along with it.
(2) on bw's side -- i never really bought into the whole potion recreation either. while it is somewhat more believeable to me than the unipower phantom, still, it wasn't convincing enough to me to be a believeable achievement in the allotted time for prep.
so, that being said, i looked at the battle as digi/scoob sans unipower/heralds VS bw/dc sans AS potion.
(3) the last thing that i never really bought was the whole -- "hammer-negates-all-the-magic-on-the-planet-JUST-IN-CASE-they-had-a-magic-user" attack. thor's willingly throwing away the hammer JUST IN CASE they had a magic-wielder just didn't seem to fit very well. you don't throw away the biggest weapon in the arsenal, JUST IN CASE. beyond that, i still don't know just what you would have negated. juggs's shield was negated, but, as dc pointed out, his cyttorak-granted strength remained, so . . . what would have been countered by the hammer? i honestly don't know. maybe some, maybe all, maybe little or none. i couldn't figure it out for myself. and because it wasn't faster than the charatcer's reaction limits in the tourney -- i DID see that mentioned and was waiting for someone to challenge or buzz bats about it -- i think it COULD have been teleported in any event, buying time for bw's team to attack (in the past it has taken MINUTES for the hammer to return -- thor has turned into blake before it came back . . .)
so, in this match i basically saw thor stading in the open, willingly tossing his hammer away on a possible hunch. even allowing for warlock's ability to f-up ss's control of the boards (which i DID buy) thor was still basically a sitting duck. and because i didn't buy phantom-as-herald, that would leave him WITHOUT that cool armor . . .
i was also under the impression that bw/dc DID grow as they attacked. one of them said it at some point, and it stuck with me though they did almost cost themselves dearly by being overly clever with their opening attack/defense.
the q-bands were ENORMOUSLY under-used in this fight -- they STALEMATED GALACTUS'S POWER, for goodness, sake! yet here, they were hardly mentioned. in fact, almost no one made mention of exactly HOW one team would take out the other's individual members. it was all about discrediting the other and proving/disproving this or that power-up.
in the end, despite some wildly creative prep, for me it came down to an un-amped digi/scoob team, v a magic-enhanced bw/dc team. with that being the case, sorry guys, i had to vote bw/dc. hopefuly i justified my pick above . . .
in the end, an entertaining match by all, one that lived up to the hype, and in general well-natured. you 4 are great examples of just WHY kmc rocks all other comicbook forums.
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