Punisher Vs Shang Chi

Originally posted by Battlehammer
from working out.............

Martial art training?

Originally posted by Battlehammer

bull shit.

Punisher came for wolverine and was clearly trying...........Logan was toying with him and could have killed punisher in the first pannel of action.............

there was nothing in the issue that suggested punisher was not trying and even further shows he was trying was the fact he purposesly came for wolverine.

Well thats what jinzin said and you agree with everything he said. Anyway I got the impression they were not trying to kill ecah othet just mess ecah other up. The scans of fight dont work.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Martial art training?

Well thats what jinzin said and you agree with everything he said. Anyway I got the impression they were not trying to kill ecah othet just mess ecah other up. The scans of fight dont work.

reflex and skill are not the same.

It was his relfex not skill that saved him. and again it rather irrelevent sinces Logan thought him simply a poacher and not a skilled fighter........

No actaully me and jinzin do not agree on everything. and I think he wrong here.

No Logan was clearly not trying to kill punisher.........however punisher was clearly trying to kill him. Punisher came after wolverine not vice versa.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well thats what jinzin said and you agree with everything he said. Anyway I got the impression they were not trying to kill ecah othet just mess ecah other up. The scans of fight dont work.

Originally posted by jinzin
Wait, what? When the hell did I say Punisher wasn't trying? 😕

What I mean is they were not trying their best. They were obvoulsy trying but they were not trying to kill each other. 😐

😖hifty:

Originally posted by Battlehammer
reflex and skill are not the same.

If you gain reflexes from training then its skill. We already agreed that if a person gains powers from training that is considered skill, that would apply to reflexes as well.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

It was his relfex not skill that saved him. and again it rather irrelevent sinces Logan thought him simply a poacher and not a skilled fighter........

If you gain reflexes from training its skill and Punisher gained his reflexes from training.

So what if he didnt know who he was he was bloodlusted and not holding back. After Punsiher dodged the first attack Wolverine would have know that he was good.

Punsiher didnt know who he was either thats more impressive.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

No actaully me and jinzin do not agree on everything. and I think he wrong here.

No Logan was clearly not trying to kill punisher.........however punisher was clearly trying to kill him. Punisher came after wolverine not vice versa.

Scans pleas. Im sure ther are exceptions but you tend to agree with everything he says.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
If you gain reflexes from training then its skill. We already agreed that if a person gains powers from training that is considered skill, that would apply to reflexes as well.

If you gain reflexes from training its skill and Punisher gained his reflexes from training.

So what if he didnt know who he was he was bloodlusted and not holding back. After Punsiher dodged the first attack Wolverine would have know that he was good.

Punsiher didnt know who he was either thats more impressive.

Scans pleas

your reasoning is flawed. For one thing one MA could have better reflexes then another and still not be as skilled as the counter part. reflexes no matter if they were enchances by MA does not equate to ones level of skill nor should feats of such be viewed as skill feats.

Logan was not blood lusted. Logan first attack hit were it aimed which was the gun...........Logan has nothing to fear from a poacher nor would he assume the pacher was a good fighter..........

Punisher new he was fighting something inhuman..........he the one who attacked him........and saw the guy take bullets to the leg and have claws............

I don't own a scanner.........how many times have I told you this?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No it not.

your reasoning is flawed. For one thing one MA could have better reflexes then another and still not be as skilled as the counter part. reflexes no matter if they were enchances by MA does not equate to ones level of skill nor should feats of such be viewed as skill feats.

Of course one fighter can have worse reflexes than another and still be a better fighter hell you can have chi ampage and still not be better at MA but the point is if you training gives you fast reflexes that obvoulsy helps your skill doesnt it?

Hell Temugin smashed up Iron Man with his barehands, he may not even be more skillful but we decided that he had a high ranking due to the fact he got it from training and im pretty sure you agreed that gaining powers from training is a criteria to for being skillful.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Logan was not blood lusted. Logan first attack hit were it aimed which was the gun...........Logan has nothing to fear from a poacher nor would he assume the pacher was a good fighter..........

Wolverine was pissed off and was not holding back. Excuse me? You are an enhanced mutant with martial art training and some ordinary guy dodges a bloodlusted attack, are you going to think that guys is ordinary?

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Punisher new he was fighting something inhuman..........he the one who attacked him........and saw the guy take bullets to the leg and have claws............

Im talking about the first fight.....

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Of course one fighter can have worse reflexes than another and still be a better fighter hell you can have chi ampage and still not be better at MA but the point is if you training gives you fast reflexes that obvoulsy helps your skill doesnt it?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Wolverine was pissed off and was not holding back. Excuse me? You are an enhanced mutant with martial art training and some ordinary guy dodges a bloodlusted attack, are you going to think that guys is ordinary?

Im talking about the first fight.....

Logan was not blood lusted. were are you getting this from. and punisher did not dodge the attack, Logan was aiming for the gun.

im done with this conversation. this has nothing to do with wolverine. It has to do with shang-chi who would wreck absoultly wreck punisher in h2h.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No it would not make you more skilled, but simply more effective.

Ok so if you had crap reflexes would you be able to have decent skill. Isn't having reflexes essential to being a good martial artist how the hell are you supposed to a good martial artist if you cant move quickly enough to dodge, counter or strike?

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Not really.

Logan was not blood lusted. were are you getting this from. and punisher did not dodge the attack, Logan was aiming for the gun.

Go to the respect fight and read the first fight again. You are clearly talking about a different fight.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
im done with this conversation. this has nothing to do with wolverine. It has to do with shang-chi who would wreck absoultly wreck punisher in h2h.

Get a grip. They only reason why you're ending the debate is because thats what I used to do to you. 😬

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Go to the respect fight and read the first fight again. You are clearly talking about a different fight.

hmm maybe well anyways that pritty irrelevent to the thread and were way off topic.

shang-chi wins. He more skilled h2h fighter, more versatile and has a number of chi amping abilities which would allow him to beat punisher rather easily for 10/10

Originally posted by Battlehammer
hmm maybe well anyways that pritty irrelevent to the thread and were way off topic.

No were not you moron. Im not going to explain the relevance im pretty sure you could figure it out if you pulled you head out of your arse just for once.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

shang-chi wins. He more skilled h2h fighter, more versatile and has a number of chi amping abilities which would allow him to beat punisher rather easily for 10/10

Which he doesnt always use.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
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Get a grip. They only reason why you're ending the debate is because thats what I used to do to you. 😬 [/B]

I am ending the debate, becuases it irrelevent to the topic. and I am rather sick of every one of the threads you enter turning into wolverine vs punisher. It retarded and needs to be stopped.

no point in debating the topic. I rather debate shang-chi vs punisher.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Which he doesnt always use.

PZ, Shang doesn't even need to touch his chi-amping abilities to take out Frank. Frank's good, he's really good actually. But Shang is just on another level. 😬

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No were not you moron. Im not going to explain the relevance im pretty sure you could figure it out if you pulled you head out of your arse just for once.

whats so relevent about pleases lets here it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Which he doesnt always use.

wow ive never reported a single person before untill right now at least that I remeber

Originally posted by Metalmanx
PZ, Shang doesn't even need to touch his chi-amping abilities to take out Frank. Frank's good, he's really good actually. But Shang is just on another level. 😬

You do realise that Punisher has done better than Shang vs Wolverine in h2h? Non Einnis.

You do realise that MK was stomping Zaran who Shang had trouble defeating? Frank was stalemating MK.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You do realise that Punisher has done better than Shang vs Wolverine in h2h? Non Einnis.

You do realise that MK was stomping Zaran who Shang had trouble defeating? Frank was stalemating MK.

..........It was not h2h.

go lord. Punisher was using a gun................

Originally posted by Battlehammer
..........It was not h2h.

go lord. Punisher was using a gun................

He wasnt using a gun. Go to the respect thread and read the correct fight, cant you even do that?