Wolverine Vs. 8,000,000 Grizly bears

Originally posted by Soljer
So you think three, one-foot-deep gashes wouldn't put a grizzly down? It's not like Wolverine'd have any trouble slicing one in half - he's cut through solid steel like it was warm butter.

And by warm, I mean liquid. 😐.

Meh, Wolverine could certainly take a grizzly in three seconds or less. He certainly could NOT take eight million of them, however.

If the grizzly sat there not moving and just allowed Logan to slash it in its most vulnerable spot, yeah perhaps.

Are these bears just not moving?

Cuz Logan would have a hard time making a killing slash on these grizzlies.

Plus is he fighting these bears one at a time? Cuz if he was going after one bear, there would be 10 others on all sides clawing slashing and biting him, ripping him to shreds.

And 3 seconds is just ridiculous unless Logan lands his claws straight through the brain or the heart, otherwise he'd injure the bear severely with a gash but that bear would still be able to fight, perhaps even more viciously for the next few minutes.

Originally posted by masterbruce
What tools exactly does Logan have to win?

His healing factor keeps him from dying, not losing...there is a difference

If 5 grizzlies surrounded him and attacked him, he'd able to slash at most 2 bears before the other 3 rip into him.

Sure, then he'd heal, but as he is healing, he is weaker already, and the bears are constantly attacking him. Taking more ferocious bites and ripiing flesh like tissue paper with their huge claws. Sure Wolverine will kill a coupla grizzlies along the way, but pretty soon they're gonna pin him helplessly on the ground where his arms are useless and just start eating him...until he is a mere skeleton

everytime he regrows an organ, another new bear (after all there are 8 million) will eat it up...so he remains a skeleton for eternity until all 8 million bears, and their progeny die off which won't be for a long long time.

I don't see how you think Wolverine can beat 8 million grizzlies unless you have no sense of what 8 million actually means.

Please don't talk down to me. It's not very becoming of you. I know very well what 8,000,000 consists of and what it means.

However, t's rather easy to come to my conclusion: They're BEARS.

If this were 8,000,000 ninjas, or 8,000,000 army soldiers, etc., etc...then it would be different.

But they're BEARS. And because they're BEARS, the extreme numbers don't even matter in the slightest. You could make it 800,000,000,000 bears, and the outcome would still be the same.

They're going to attack him VIRTUALLY the same way every time. And he's going to claw them in the face/decapitate them/slice off limbs/etc. just as quickly as they come. You're making it out like their Teenage Mutant Ninja Bears or something. They have no fighting skills, no special abilities. They've got strength, size, claws, teeth, durability (which is pretty much rendered useless against Wolverine's claws), speed, and numbers. Wolverine can slice them open with a simple swipe, and then just keep doing that.

And you talk about me underestimating/underrrating Wolverine. 🙄

Show me a grizzly bear moving faster than Quicksilver, and then we'll have a fight.

Yea, the match will take a good...THOUSANDS of years to actually end. But Wolverine will have won.

Honestly? All Wolverine REALLY needs to do is whirl around with his claws out as the bears attack. He doesn't need finesse here. Just hack and slash maneuvers--pretty much all he ever does and what he's best at.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Please don't talk down to me. It's not very becoming of you. I know very well what 8,000,000 consists of and what it means.

However, t's rather easy to come to my conclusion: They're BEARS.

If this were 8,000,000 ninjas, or 8,000,000 army soldiers, etc., etc...then it would be different.

But they're BEARS. And because they're BEARS, the extreme numbers don't even matter in the slightest. You could make it 800,000,000,000 bears, and the outcome would still be the same.

They're going to attack him VIRTUALLY the same way every time. And he's going to claw them in the face/decapitate them/slice off limbs/etc. just as quickly as they come. You're making it out like their Teenage Mutant Ninja Bears or something. They have no fighting skills, no special abilities. They've got strength, size, claws, teeth, durability (which is pretty much rendered useless against Wolverine's claws), speed, and numbers. Wolverine can slice them open with a simple swipe, and then just keep doing that.

And you talk about me underestimating/underrrating Wolverine. 🙄

Show me a grizzly bear moving faster than Quicksilver, and then we'll have a fight.

Yea, the match will take a good...THOUSANDS of years to actually end. But Wolverine will have won.

Honestly? All Wolverine REALLY needs to do is whirl around with his claws out as the bears attack. He doesn't need finesse here. Just hack and slash maneuvers--pretty much all he ever does and what he's best at.

So Wolverine can now fight thousands of year at peak and healing while getting no food or sleep?

Wow, this KMC wolverine really is god.

Also if 5 grizzlies pounce on Logan...he has only two arms, assuming he stabs two bears straight through the heard (I doubt it), the other three would pile on top of him and pin his arms down and he'd be a helpless plate of wolverine meat for the other 7,999,990 bears.

Logan is not some friggin god, he was once severely injured just by fighting a pack of starvin wolves (who together would have trouble taking down one grizzly adult) so its ludicrous to say that logan can even take on 100 grizzlies coming at him at once.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Please don't talk down to me. It's not very becoming of you. I know very well what 8,000,000 consists of and what it means.

I apologize. To me its just insane that people are making Logan to become some sort of a god when he is basically a very skilled street with hf.

His hf also must have a limit, it requires energy, and using it weakens him. So how could he constantly heal if he doesnt eat or sleep?

To anyone in this thread that thinks wolverine can beat 8 Million Grizzly-Bears, i will put it simply:

I strongly encourage you to rent Grizzly Man on DVD

It will not only put the fear of bears in you, but help you understand what the true outcome of this fight will be

This is what you have to assume if you believe Logan can take on 8,000,000 bears:

1) logan does not require sleep...ever...and does not get weaker from lack of sleep

2) logan does not require food...ever...and does not get weaker from lack of food

3) logan's healing factor does not lessen in effect from lack of sleep or food

4) logan can fight at peak level 24/7 for many many years with no sleep or food

5) Logan will slash every bear straight in the heart or brain for 3 second instant kills

6) when logan is attacking one bear, the other bears wait and watch so as not to ambush him from behind or the side

7) logan will never get pinned and become helpless

Originally posted by masterbruce
So Wolverine can now fight thousands of year at peak and healing while getting no food or sleep?

Wow, this KMC wolverine really is god.

Also if 5 grizzlies pounce on Logan...he has only two arms, assuming he stabs two bears straight through the heard (I doubt it), the other three would pile on top of him and pin his arms down and he'd be a helpless plate of wolverine meat for the other 7,999,990 bears.

Logan is not some friggin god, he was once severely injured just by fighting a pack of starvin wolves (who together would have trouble taking down one grizzly adult) so its ludicrous to say that logan can even take on 100 grizzlies coming at him at once.

Wolverine starts doing the "berserker X" technique, he then slices through the bears going at 200 mph+.

He could also do the "Tornado Claw", he could do this for months straight, and he would eliminate the bears with little to no dammage.

Originally posted by masterbruce
So Wolverine can now fight thousands of year at peak and healing while getting no food or sleep?

Wow, this KMC wolverine really is god.

Also if 5 grizzlies pounce on Logan...he has only two arms, assuming he stabs two bears straight through the heard (I doubt it), the other three would pile on top of him and pin his arms down and he'd be a helpless plate of wolverine meat for the other 7,999,990 bears.

Logan is not some friggin god, he was once severely injured just by fighting a pack of starvin wolves (who together would have trouble taking down one grizzly adult) so its ludicrous to say that logan can even take on 100 grizzlies coming at him at once.

Originally posted by masterbruce
I apologize. To me its just insane that people are making Logan to become some sort of a god when he is basically a very skilled street with hf.

His hf also must have a limit, it requires energy, and using it weakens him. So how could he constantly heal if he doesnt eat or sleep?

Wait a second. Are we not talking in hypotheticals here?

I figured and assumed that, with this certain match, stamina would not play a factor. I mean, that's just common sense. The thread starter wouldn't pit a single character against 8,000,000 enemies if the point was that Wolverine would be horribly fatigued after 100. I just assumed that it was a hypothetical set-up in which only Wolverine's stamina is infinite for the duration of the fight.

So, Rick/Genis, what's the verdict here? Is Wolverine limited to his own stamina/endurance? Or is he hypothetically set up with limitless stamina?

And masterbruce, just remember this in the next Wolverine debate:
"I apologize. To me its just insane that people are making Logan to become some sort of a god when he is basically a very skilled street with hf.

His hf also must have a limit, it requires energy, and using it weakens him. So how could he constantly heal if he doesnt eat or sleep?"

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
To anyone in this thread that thinks wolverine can beat [b]8 Million Grizzly-Bears, i will put it simply:

I strongly encourage you to rent Grizzly Man on DVD

It will not only put the fear of bears in you, but help you understand what the true outcome of this fight will be [/B]

I seriously get the sense that many people have no idea how tough/dangerous a grizzly bear is. If they did, they'd realize Logan would barely be able to take 100 grizzlies.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Wait a second. Are we not talking in hypotheticals here?

I figured and assumed that, with this certain match, stamina would not play a factor. I mean, that's just common sense. The thread starter wouldn't pit a single character against 8,000,000 enemies if the point was that Wolverine would be horribly fatigued after 100. I just assumed that it was a hypothetical set-up in which only Wolverine's stamina is infinite for the duration of the fight.

So, Rick/Genis, what's the verdict here? Is Wolverine limited to his own stamina/endurance? Or is he hypothetically set up with limitless stamina?

And masterbruce, just remember this in the next Wolverine debate:
"I apologize. To me its just insane that people are making Logan to become some sort of a god when he is basically a very skilled street with hf.

His hf also must have a limit, it requires energy, and using it weakens him. So how could he constantly heal if he doesnt eat or sleep?"

since when did we ever assume that a fighter's stamina would be infinite? then it wouldn't be wolverine...it'd be superduper wolverine.

If we assumed infinite stamina, then perhaps your view holds more validity. But the OP made no suggestion that his stamina was infinite.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Wait a second. Are we not talking in hypotheticals here?

I figured and assumed that, with this certain match, stamina would not play a factor. I mean, that's just common sense. The thread starter wouldn't pit a single character against 8,000,000 enemies if the point was that Wolverine would be horribly fatigued after 100. I just assumed that it was a hypothetical set-up in which only Wolverine's stamina is infinite for the duration of the fight.

For the sake of extended debate, why not debate for a moment if hypotheticly he had infiniate stamina (thats fair, i mean, 8 MILLION BEARS.)

Still, have you seen bears in combat before? (actual question, not rudeness or anyhitng lol)

It truely is a sight to beheld.

In addition, logan is limited to only his claws. thats not to say thats neccessairily a BAD thing, but he really is, offensively limited due to the fact that a kick or anyhting else woudl do absolutely nothing. Considering the bears dont give up upon biteing into adamentium (which might chip a few teeth actually), That in conjunction with The sheer grip of thier jaw, eventually leading to logans immobility from being locked up in 12 different bears jaws, teeths, and whatever else they can grip onto him with, they can quite literally tear him to shreads without him being able to do much.

I think logan could take a heft ammount, especially if were considering he has infinite stamina, but how much is hefty? 100,000? 1 million?

Odds are, between 8million bears, virtually every scenario possible will have taken place, and one of those will be logan getting caught up in deep grizzly and eventually being knocked unconscious

thiers a few mobility issues to consider here though, and im saying that on behalf of the bears

becuase really

how many bears can simotainously surround logan?

Originally posted by masterbruce
I seriously get the sense that many people have no idea how tough/dangerous a grizzly bear is. If they did, they'd realize Logan would barely be able to take 100 grizzlies.

i agree, not to put anyone down, but bears are incredibly powerful & viscious creatures , moreso than alot of people might realize

As MetalMan said, the fact is, the bears are going to attack in a fairly straight forward way. Wolverine could, literally, spin like a top with his claws out and take bears down one right after another.

Another thing - Wolverine can slash his claw faster than the human eye can follow. He's done this on multiple occasions. He's even cut all the clothes and cybernetic parts of a cyborg faster than the human eye can follow. In a lot less than three seconds, mind you.

A single slash per bear? Logan could probably take out two bears a second, if not more.

But let's go ahead and say that it took him three LONG seconds. Three seconds per bear.

Twenty four million seconds.

Four hundred thousand minutes.

Six thousand six hundred, sixty six hours (and some change).

Two hundred and seventy seven days.

1. I'm not saying that Wolverine can operate at peak efficiency for three quarters of a year. However, one bear per three seconds is NOT peak efficiency for Wolverine.

2. We must recall that Wolverine HAS gone for multiple months without sleep or food, if I do recall correctly. Jinzin, Capt, or Srank can clarify.

3. I'm not saying that Wolverine even has a chance at winning this before he's killed. Just pointing out that everyone keeps talking about the decades or centuries the fight would last.

It wouldn't.

Eight million is a lot, but when you get down to it, Logan should be killing or mortally wounding two bears a second.

Four million seconds is only fourty six days. Which Logan is VERY capable of going for without food or sleep.

Originally posted by Soljer
As MetalMan said, the fact is, the bears are going to attack in a fairly straight forward way. Wolverine could, literally, spin like a top with his claws out and take bears down one right after another.

Another thing - Wolverine can slash his claw faster than the human eye can follow. He's done this on multiple occasions. He's even cut all the clothes and cybernetic parts of a cyborg faster than the human eye can follow. In a lot less than three seconds, mind you.

A single slash per bear? Logan could probably take out two bears a second, if not more.

But let's go ahead and say that it took him three LONG seconds. Three seconds per bear.

Twenty four million seconds.

Four hundred thousand minutes.

Six thousand six hundred, sixty six hours (and some change).

Two hundred and seventy seven days.

1. I'm not saying that Wolverine can operate at peak efficiency for three quarters of a year. However, one bear per three seconds is NOT peak efficiency for Wolverine.

2. We must recall that Wolverine HAS gone for multiple months without sleep or food, if I do recall correctly. Jinzin, Capt, or Srank can clarify.

3. I'm not saying that Wolverine even has a chance at winning this before he's killed. Just pointing out that everyone keeps talking about the decades or centuries the fight would last.

It wouldn't.

Eight million is a lot, but when you get down to it, Logan should be killing or mortally wounding two bears a second.

Four million seconds is only fourty six days. Which Logan is VERY capable of going for without food or sleep.

Two bears a second?

well, i agree, but not consistantly

not to mention, short of being sliced in half (are his claws even long enough to do that? i dobut it with the exception of the head)
the bears will be shrugging off 'mortal strikes', and i only say it with quotes becuase what would be potentially mortal to a human, is definately surviveable by a bear.

It must be headshots for logan and nothing else, otherwise, hes going to waste time killing bears the long way.

EDIT: i take it back, i dont literlaly mean shrugging off, some bears would probably back off after being struck very mortally. Still, bears have an uncanny ability to man through life threttening wounds in these kinds of scenarios. TO AN EXTENT< though, im not trying to create the illusion of superhuman bears

Originally posted by masterbruce
This is what you have to assume if you believe Logan can take on 8,000,000 bears:

1) logan does not require sleep...ever...and does not get weaker from lack of sleep

2) logan does not require food...ever...and does not get weaker from lack of food

3) logan's healing factor does not lessen in effect from lack of sleep or food

4) logan can fight at peak level 24/7 for many many years with no sleep or food

5) Logan will slash every bear straight in the heart or brain for 3 second instant kills

6) when logan is attacking one bear, the other bears wait and watch so as not to ambush him from behind or the side

7) logan will never get pinned and become helpless

Soljer -

This is what it would mean for wolverine to kill 2 bears in a second:

He aims perfectly for the first bears brain and thrusts downward with his claws, piercing through the skull and into the bear's brain

He then retracts his arm backwards out of the bear's skull

Then he aims perfectly at another bears skull and thrusts downward with his claws, through the skull and cutting the brain. He then retracts his arms back and removes his claws from bear #2's skull.

While he made these two perfectly timed, perfectly aimed stabs at the 2 bears skulls, he also is avoiding the dozens of claws, paws and bodies of the other grizzlies attacking him

All of this happened in one second...in the time it takes you to say the word 'one'.

If you believe that wolverine is capable of the above scenario, then there really is no further argument to be had.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Two bears a second?

well, i agree, but not consistantly

not to mention, short of being sliced in half (are his claws even long enough to do that? i dobut it with the exception of the head)
the bears will be shrugging off 'mortal strikes', and i only say it with quotes becuase what would be potentially mortal to a human, is definately surviveable by a bear.

It must be headshots for logan and nothing else, otherwise, hes going to waste time killing bears the long way.

EDIT: i take it back, i dont literlaly mean shrugging off, some bears would probably back off after being struck very mortally. Still, bears have an uncanny ability to man through life threttening wounds in these kinds of scenarios. TO AN EXTENT< though, im not trying to create the illusion of superhuman bears

Untrue. I mean, Logan has the mobility advantage in this fight, even if he is outnumbered eight million to one. He can mortally wound two, and jump over their frenzied gnashing to pounce on another duo, who he gets in the head/neck, to stand up, spin like a top, and put a trio of foot-deep gashes in every bear around him.

I mean, seriously, a bear still has vital organs. If logan slashes one across the chest (and gets a deep, healthy slash), then it's ribs are going to be disected by his claws. His organs will be shredded. He won't be lasting long, even if he's still up for fighting.

Maybe he can't take two bears a second for the entire eight million, but he will certainly be taking them down faster than one every three seconds.

And even at that rate, it wouldn't take decades for the fight to finish.

Obviously, Logan wouldn't last that long, but I'm just pointing out MasterBruce's idiocy. Yes, logan can function for quite a while without food or sleep. Yes, he can slash at insane speeds, and nearly ANY deep slash will be mortal. Even for a bear.

He can take them at a LOT faster than three seconds per bear.

They'd overwhelm him eventually, but most definitely not within the first day. Maybe not even within the first week.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Soljer -

This is what it would mean for wolverine to kill 2 bears in a second:

He aims perfectly for the first bears brain and thrusts downward with his claws, piercing through the skull and into the bear's brain

He then retracts his arm backwards out of the bear's skull

Then he aims perfectly at another bears skull and thrusts downward with his claws, through the skull and cutting the brain. He then retracts his arms back and removes his claws from bear #2's skull.

While he made these two perfectly timed, perfectly aimed stabs at the 2 bears skulls, he also is avoiding the dozens of claws, paws and bodies of the other grizzlies attacking him

All of this happened in one second...in the time it takes you to say the word 'one'.

If you believe that wolverine is capable of the above scenario, then there really is no further argument to be had.

1. Wolverine doesn't HAVE to get headshots to kill the bears. His claws are a FOOT long. If you don't think three one foot deep by one foot long gashes would kill a bear, then there is no further discussion here.

2. I can say "one" a lot faster than a second. "One one thousand" is a hell of a lot longer than "one."

3. He's going to have TONS of grizzlies surrounding him. Give ME Wolverine's powers, and I could just flail wildly at the offending grizzlies, and take them down faster than one every three seconds.

Originally posted by Soljer
Untrue. I mean, Logan has the mobility advantage in this fight, even if he is outnumbered eight million to one. He can mortally wound two, and jump over their frenzied gnashing to pounce on another duo, who he gets in the head/neck, to stand up, spin like a top, and put a trio of foot-deep gashes in every bear around him.

I mean, seriously, a bear still has vital organs. If logan slashes one across the chest (and gets a deep, healthy slash), then it's ribs are going to be disected by his claws. His organs will be shredded. He won't be lasting long, even if he's still up for fighting.

Maybe he can't take two bears a second for the entire eight million, but he will certainly be taking them down faster than one every three seconds.

And even at that rate, it wouldn't take decades for the fight to finish.

Obviously, Logan wouldn't last that long, but I'm just pointing out MasterBruce's idiocy. Yes, logan can function for quite a while without food or sleep. Yes, he can slash at insane speeds, and nearly ANY deep slash will be mortal. Even for a bear.

He can take them at a LOT faster than three seconds per bear.

They'd overwhelm him eventually, but most definitely not within the first day. Maybe not even within the first week.

Overall, i agree with what you are saying
A friend of mine actually was locked out of his car and a grizzly bear came running up the hill towards him, it chased him around his car for a few seconds and fortunately my friend had a rifle in his trunk bed
he shot the bear in the face? or chest, i forget

with a .50 calibur weapon? I THINK that was the calibur, regardless it was very powerful

the bear stood thier for a moment and walked away and then about ten seconds later fell down dead

i guess that really has nothing to do with our disgussion
but i thought ide share that story with you since essentially, i dont disagree with yuo

In Wolverine 1, he first took the bears arm off then slashed his body, then went for the head shot. The body shot did not kill the bear, maybe it would have, but the bear was still fighting him.