Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Overall, i agree with what you are saying
A friend of mine actually was locked out of his car and a grizzly bear came running up the hill towards him, it chased him around his car for a few seconds and fortunately my friend had a rifle in his trunk bed
he shot the bear in the face? or chest, i forgetwith a .50 calibur weapon? I THINK that was the calibur, regardless it was very powerful
the bear stood thier for a moment and walked away and then about ten seconds later fell down dead
i guess that really has nothing to do with our disgussion
but i thought ide share that story with you since essentially, i dont disagree with yuo
Well, as with any animal, shot placement is very important.
You could hit a deer with a fifty caliber BMG, and it wouldn't necessarily go down.
Then, you could hit it with a twenty two LR, and it'd drop without moving an inch.
With a grizzly chasing him, I doubt he had the steadiest shot in the world, 😉.
But anywho, a bullet leaves ONE hole. It may expand, it may tear, shread, rip, depending on the type of the bullet, but most high powered rifle rounds leave ONE hole. Entrance, exit.
Wolverine slashing all the way across a bear's chest, or down it, with foot long claws? I don't know how many time's I've said 'foot long,' but it really needs to be emphasized. The bears ribs would be annihilated. His internal organs would be mangled. Would he go down with one swipe, EVEN if logan hit vital organs? Maybe, maybe not.
But, fact of the matter is, Logan knows tactics. He has the mobility advantage, and HE can decide how the fight goes. He rends one bear across the chest while simultaneously slashing another, and leaves them be. They'll die eventually, so he needn't worry about even LOOKING at those bears anymore. He can move on. Shuffle through the crowd, or leap (Wolverine has made some impressive jumps before), and take the fight to two more bears, possibly just pouncing on them, claws drawn, and then flipping off of their corpses to another group. He needn't stay in a single spot, immobile. Though, even if he did, he'd last a lot longer than Masterbruce is trying to make it seem.
Anyways, I know you aren't disagreeing with me, and only the very beginning of my post was in response to you, so no worries. Most of the post that was actually related to the thread was just to...you know, say it? Get it out there, get it read.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
yesbears (and some animals in general) have a strange
not dead yet
syndrome
no, its a phenomenon that all living creatures have.
In movies, people die the second they get shot because it is meant to be less realistic...people would be horrified to see a person squirming for his last breaths after being shot.
You die when your brain is completely devoid of oxygen or your heart stops.
A gunshot to anywhere beside your brain or heart would not kill you instantly, as movies might lead you to believe. You will die once you bleed too much.
Originally posted by Soljer
Well, as with any animal, shot placement is very important.You could hit a deer with a fifty caliber BMG, and it wouldn't necessarily go down.
Then, you could hit it with a twenty two LR, and it'd drop without moving an inch.
With a grizzly chasing him, I doubt he had the steadiest shot in the world, 😉.
But anywho, a bullet leaves ONE hole. It may expand, it may tear, shread, rip, depending on the type of the bullet, but most high powered rifle rounds leave ONE hole. Entrance, exit.
Wolverine slashing all the way across a bear's chest, or down it, with foot long claws? I don't know how many time's I've said 'foot long,' but it really needs to be emphasized. The bears ribs would be annihilated. His internal organs would be mangled. Would he go down with one swipe, EVEN if logan hit vital organs? Maybe, maybe not.
But, fact of the matter is, Logan knows tactics. He has the mobility advantage, and HE can decide how the fight goes. He rends one bear across the chest while simultaneously slashing another, and leaves them be. They'll die eventually, so he needn't worry about even LOOKING at those bears anymore. He can move on. Shuffle through the crowd, or leap (Wolverine has made some impressive jumps before), and take the fight to two more bears, possibly just pouncing on them, claws drawn, and then flipping off of their corpses to another group. He needn't stay in a single spot, immobile. Though, even if he did, he'd last a lot longer than Masterbruce is trying to make it seem.
Anyways, I know you aren't disagreeing with me, and only the very beginning of my post was in response to you, so no worries. Most of the post that was actually related to the thread was just to...you know, say it? Get it out there, get it read.
arent you assuming that logan gets his footlong claws completely through the bear...in which case I agree the bear will be as good as dead
but the way logan fights, he usually is only able to slash opponents (ie Hulk) with the upper tips. These bears are moving and dodging too, they're much faster than they look.
The Hulk is incredibly fast (enough to catch artillery shells and missiles), and Logan must be much more defensive when fighting the Hulk, because he COULD be knocked out by a single, full on hit, if he isn't careful.
With the bears? He can let them claw him a bit, and sink his claws right in.
Also, though the bears are much faster than they look, they are no where near as fast as Wolverine, and they certainly won't be dodging. As someone before me said, these aren't "Teenage Mutant Ninja Bears," these are garden variety Grizzilies. They don't really have the concept of "dodge."
Originally posted by masterbruce
from what you just said, essentially you do disagree with him.
Originally posted by masterbruce
These bears are moving and dodging too, they're much faster than they look.
and Definately, bears are not the cumbersome creatuers that thier massive size might suggest. they are actually errily swift
Originally posted by Soljer
Well, as with any animal, shot placement is very important.You could hit a deer with a fifty caliber BMG, and it wouldn't necessarily go down.
Then, you could hit it with a twenty two LR, and it'd drop without moving an inch.
With a grizzly chasing him, I doubt he had the steadiest shot in the world, 😉.
But anywho, a bullet leaves ONE hole. It may expand, it may tear, shread, rip, depending on the type of the bullet, but most high powered rifle rounds leave ONE hole. Entrance, exit.
Wolverine slashing all the way across a bear's chest, or down it, with foot long claws? I don't know how many time's I've said 'foot long,' but it really needs to be emphasized. The bears ribs would be annihilated. His internal organs would be mangled. Would he go down with one swipe, EVEN if logan hit vital organs? Maybe, maybe not.
But, fact of the matter is, Logan knows tactics. He has the mobility advantage, and HE can decide how the fight goes. He rends one bear across the chest while simultaneously slashing another, and leaves them be. They'll die eventually, so he needn't worry about even LOOKING at those bears anymore. He can move on. Shuffle through the crowd, or leap (Wolverine has made some impressive jumps before), and take the fight to two more bears, possibly just pouncing on them, claws drawn, and then flipping off of their corpses to another group. He needn't stay in a single spot, immobile. Though, even if he did, he'd last a lot longer than Masterbruce is trying to make it seem.
Anyways, I know you aren't disagreeing with me, and only the very beginning of my post was in response to you, so no worries. Most of the post that was actually related to the thread was just to...you know, say it? Get it out there, get it read.
For the record, he was standing still when he shot the bear (the bear paused for a moment and raise'd up)
But yeah
Logan does have the mobility advantage. He could take down ALOT, alot of bears and i think to a point like you said thier are things that did need to get put out thier. I understand where your coming from
The overlieing factor though that everyone shuold realize (not that you havent) is that with the excpetion of maybe stars 8 million is an extreme number for almost anyhting
and whoever said the .50 cal comment
it was definately a huge bullet
hellicopter-esque
more than enough to put a bear down
Originally posted by Soljer
They don't really have the concept of "dodge."
every animal 'dodges' from something they don't know striking at them. that is an instinct programmed by nature. Any animal that doesnt have a dodge instinct is bound to be extinct rather quickly.
i'm not saying they'll dodge successfully, but they won't stand there while Logan is leaping at them with claws extended.
Originally posted by masterbruce
every animal 'dodges' from something they don't know striking at them. that is an instinct programmed by nature. Any animal that doesnt have a dodge instinct is bound to be extinct rather quickly.i'm not saying they'll dodge successfully, but they won't stand there while Logan is leaping at them with claws extended.
Not really dodge, moreso than conitnue "boguarding" with whatever action they were in
but i mean, behavior is behavior, and its not unreasonable to assume either regardless of their success rate
lol
Originally posted by masterbruceYes the body fights as hard to stay alive, the body will countinue to fight untill it either passes out or brain dead or loses enough blood. These bears will fight untill they are completly dead, even if they are mortally wounded wolvie is still in trouble.
no, its a phenomenon that all living creatures have.In movies, people die the second they get shot because it is meant to be less realistic...people would be horrified to see a person squirming for his last breaths after being shot.
You die when your brain is completely devoid of oxygen or your heart stops.
A gunshot to anywhere beside your brain or heart would not kill you instantly, as movies might lead you to believe. You will die once you bleed too much.
Originally posted by jgiant
Yes the body fights as hard to stay alive, the body will countinue to fight untill it either passes out or brain dead or loses enough blood. These bears will fight untill they are completly dead, even if they are mortally wounded wolvie is still in trouble.
and thats another thing
SOME bears may back off after being mortally wounded
but thier will be some things that no matter where logan strikes (with th eexception of head decapitation)
the bears will have a few seconds of fight left
Originally posted by jgiant
Yes the body fights as hard to stay alive, the body will countinue to fight untill it either passes out or brain dead or loses enough blood. These bears will fight untill they are completly dead, even if they are mortally wounded wolvie is still in trouble.
If they are mortally wounded, and Wolverine uses his superior mobility to maneuver a non wounded bear or two BETWEEN him and the wounded ones?
What are they going to do? Either A) nothing or B) kill the bear in front of it, to GET to wolverine.
Since B won't be happening, it's only choice is to bleed to death. Pretty quickly, considering the length depth, and number of gashes. While Logan has a couple bears between him and the mortally wounded, he can start killing/wounding some more.
He won't make it through the eight million, but he won't be going down to a few hundred, either.
Alright, let's change the thread. Instead of Wolverine vs. Eight million bears, let us make it "How many grizzlies do you think Wolverine could take before being overwhelmed and killed?"
I don't think ANYONE was really arguing that Wolverine'd make it through ALL of them. But I believe he could ramp up some pretty high kills before he's gone.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
eight million bears?? hahaahaha
the thought of that mayn bears is really funny for some reason all of the suddenOff topic: isint civil war 7 our today?
Indeed. Especially when you consider that no more than eight or so are really going to be able to attack Wolverine at any one time.
So what are the other seven million, nine hundred ninety nine thousand doing?
Sitting there. Going "When's it our turn?"
Originally posted by Soljer
Alright, let's change the thread. Instead of Wolverine vs. Eight million bears, let us make it "How many grizzlies do you think Wolverine could take before being overwhelmed and killed?"I don't think ANYONE was really arguing that Wolverine'd make it through ALL of them. But I believe he could ramp up some pretty high kills before he's gone.
I was actually going to say that
we shuold be asking, how far he might be able to get
EXACT NUMBERS GUYS.
😛
Originally posted by Soljer
Alright, let's change the thread. Instead of Wolverine vs. Eight million bears, let us make it "How many grizzlies do you think Wolverine could take before being overwhelmed and killed?"I don't think ANYONE was really arguing that Wolverine'd make it through ALL of them. But I believe he could ramp up some pretty high kills before he's gone.
All at once I think he could take around 120-150 in a reasonably large arena.
Originally posted by Soljer
Indeed. Especially when you consider that no more than eight or so are really going to be able to attack Wolverine at any one time.So what are the other seven million, nine hundred ninety nine thousand doing?
Sitting there. Going "When's it our turn?"
HAHAH
yep
i mentioned that earlir
at the most, wolverines faceing about 4 or 3 bears simotainously
MAYBE, 5
assumeing this is a tight group