Wolverine Vs. 8,000,000 Grizly bears

Started by jinzin24 pages

OH for ****s sake.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And you are still as misguided as ever, you still leave your posts open to misinterpretation quite often. It is practice in an argument to be direct and precise and your direction is often misdirected.

And your still full of it as ever.. NOT ONCE in my post that started this mess did I inquire as to the direction of the bears. It obvious wherever the bears are they'll be "directed" at Logan.. What I asked was why it's assumed he'll be surrounded.
And NOT ONCE did I say anything that had ANYTHING to do with stealth missions, so again I ask you why the hell you would even bring that up?
And to top it all off you're now blaming ME for your Short sidedness? HAHAHAHAHA! That's a hoot.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You seemed to have a problem with him being in close quarters to them and even then would it really matter? Logic dictates that he would be surrounded quite quickly or facing a solid surface with nowhere to move, it makes it harder for him in some aspects. 😬
Actually there were several ¡§points¡¨ I could have responded to, and I did. Just because you don¡¦t like when someone goes down on your posts doesn¡¦t mean they won¡¦t.
What¡¦s so hard about it is that people in this forum seem to have a hard time comprehending things so I am saying, which is why I am constantly forced to rehash and rehash it because:
A: They have issues with basic reading skills and points of connection. Or¡K
B: They intentionally misinterpret things to be frustrating. Or¡K
C: They misinterpret it for their own benefit.
I think with you it's usually a mixture of the three, particularly C. .

I don't have a problem with Logan in close quarters, That's how he needs to fight this, but I do have a problem with him being assumed to be surrounded when the fight kicks off. He won¡¦t be, and it does matter.
And no, I didn't have a tough time comprehending what you said, I have a tough time connecting it to anything I said, and then I gave you ample opportunity to change that¡K You failed. But it's nice to see you blame me for your problems yet again.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No I¡¦m quite right actually, it¡¦s just that you don¡¦t want to see that. And never will.

No youre not.. maybe in C-world.. not the real one.. the only people the hand "job" to, beat the hand for a reason. You just don't want to see that, and you never will.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Do you understand what plot devices or PIS are? Why do you even bother using something as evidence, and then when I explain why it¡¦s bad evidence, use evidence contradicting it which only hurts your own damned argument? Do you like owning yourself? This is what I mean below¡K
Do YOU understand that PIS is entirely subjective?
Because you do a piss poor job of explaining WHY it's bad evidence.. "its crap because its crap".

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So applying this to your logic that Sabretooth is a more vicious Wolverine, why the hell can¡¦t they beat Wolverine? Either your evidence is very circumstancial, and/or it¡¦s because it¡¦s all PIS in the first place and you just want to keep the bad evidence in the field.

Because wolverine obviously has circumstances going for him that Sabretooth didn't.
A better healing factor (by leagues), an adamantium skeleton that protects his vitals and allows his healing factor to have to work less due to no necessity for mending bones, being a smaller target that's more easily lost among the fray, using more skill, speed, and agility to his advantage, and the fact that he's already well versed in their style of combat (which captain America admitted took some time getting used to).

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You fail to see many things, in great numbers characters perform less well and tend to job to give everyone a chance. Hand ninjas like bullets are there to make the character look good and not much more. Why the hell can¡¦t thousands of armed man do anything to a street leveler? It doesn¡¦t make sense and is a poor example to use, period.
And you still fail to see that they don't "job to give EVERYONE a chance". They lose to a select group; everyone outside of that select group who isn't invulnerable or top tier in power levels hasn't faced the hand with much success.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You¡¦re still bad at logic and connecting points S with P, so I¡¦ll have to help you again so you can misinterpret it¡K. Again.

I¡¦m bad at logic because I don't agree with you? Yes.. excellent."logic".. 🙄

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But not all foot, and they both still job. Some of S is P.

Not all foot? Are you referring to the elite? Because earlier you WERE talking about foot soldiers in which case. YES hand still>>> foot.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But not while they are jobbing. None of S is P.

Assuming they were jobbing, yes even then.. hand>>>sentinel. Sentinel>>bears.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well at least you admit they are jobbers now, which unfortunately throws your argument out of the water since we arguing by KMC rules, something that you always seem to forget.
Since none of S is P in one example and some of it is in another, it makes the statements contradictory and therefore out of place. You can¡¦t say that something is absolutely not something and then say that some of it is later on. Keep up. .

I didn¡¦t say they WERE in fact jobbers.. I said "IF THEY WERE", which implies that as it stands they are not. (you can't even grasp that concept but I need to keep up?) Pffft.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well by looking above it seems your logic is. *snicker
I guess if you're wearing C goggles.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
In response to your favorite tactic or bringing up a feat war with bad examples, so that¡¦s that.
so now you're admitting that you DID bring it up.. guess that makes you a liar don't it?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Says something about those ninjas doesn¡¦t it?

Only if you look at it with a skewed C perspective.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It does in an argument about whether he can win or not¡K *sigh * it almost hurts.

No it doesn't. No one's arguing that he can be hurt.. And there¡¦s certainly no argument ¡§about whether he can win or not¡¨.. He obviously loses.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Yes, I¡¦d say even a hot pop tart is more formidable


Well you say a lot of things..

So pop tart> Captain America. I see why you thought the trio didn't stand a chance in the trio thread..

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
[B] Well thank you for proving my previous two points and now owning yourself, you saved me having to do it for you.

Pretty sure I just proved that Hand>bears.. but whateva.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Or you can¡¦t specify the time so you¡¦ll choose the optimal one anyways. Who keeps bringing up ¡§knocked out¡¨ anyways, it seems to pop up like ¡§Spiderman¡¨ when the Wolverine Supporters are backed against a wall.

Who¡¦s backed against a wall here? You brought up the elk feat and insinuated that "he had been out", which if you read the story itself, you would know was a fallacy.. I'm just trying to tell you what happened.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I think you just explained why you love them. We all know Spiderman mopped the floor with the X-men before in this and the Ultimate universe right?

Spiderman proved to be a pain in the ass for a bunch of holding back x-men that were trying to capture him.. Everything Spiderman did was within his capabilities to do save sneak attack professor x. The X-men suffered from hardcore CIS in that skirmish and it¡¦s obviously not representative of a fight. That's the problem though isn't it? When you use feats they're always skewed.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Anyone knows I hate featwars because they are stupid circular arguments that can be countered so easily because it¡¦s based off of comics inconsistency and no logic. A beat B, so B beat C, C is tougher than a, but I¡¦ll neglect it and use it anyways. They are used by fanboys like the word ¡§Spiderman¡¨ is used by them when they are losing because they don¡¦t want to use anything else and neglect the forum rules of PIS CIS. It won¡¦t change anyways, because people like bad logic.
people on this forum LOOOOVVVVE bad logic.. It's what makes the comic world go round.. and you need to realize that.
However the logic that you're referencing is only applicable if it was being initiated as you stated.. it isn't; in this case C isn't tougher than A.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I also notice you are always the first person to get offensive in your posts and complain about it later, don¡¦t be a hypocrite please, I was perfectly civil with you. 😬
I'm not complaining about anything.

What's with all the "¦"?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What's with all the "¦"?

have no idea, but they're fixed now.

Hmmm... Are you really trying to make out nameless faceless Hand ninjas to be incredibly formidable...?

Originally posted by qqqqqqq
8million for christ sake how can wolvie even move when 8million bears are around him??

I think it would be fairly easy. Unless you're implying 8 million bears are condensed into a superdense 20X20 bear cube with Wolverine packed in the middle, or something less exaggerated, then he just drowns in bear.

Something like this would have to take the space of an entire county unless there's some kind of bear instancing system.

I honestly think this is a peace of cake, especially with Wolverine's power set. The only way to skunk it that I can think the above situation where the area is super saturated with bears and the entire battle area is In a Flat Field, because Bauhaus rules.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hmmm... Are you really trying to make out nameless faceless Hand ninjas to be incredibly formidable...?

I guess it could be plausible that they have a few really good ninjas among them but when you're taking out hundreds or thousands of them, that's clearly Teams E-H from the Scooty Puff Barracks.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
The only way to skunk it that I can think the above situation where the area is super saturated with bears and the entire battle area is In a Flat Field, because Bauhaus rules.

HELL YEAH THEY RULE!!!!

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There is no inverse grizzly bear law, as far as I'm aware.

Co-signed!

😕

...

Anyway, keep it down gents. I like this thread....don't want to have to close it on account of not-nice-ness.

stick a salmon down wolverine's trousers,
and 1 grizzly bear tears him a new one!

The GrizlyBears win . . .

Hal Jordan a normal 'non-peak' human punched out a GB once , thus Wolvie rips them all a new one and buys a small country from the revenue he receives from his new coat/rug company.

Originally posted by grey fox
Hal Jordan a normal 'non-peak' human punched out a GB once , thus Wolvie rips them all a new one and buys a small country from the revenue he receives from his new coat/rug company.

🙁

Bear hater.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
No. Not because it's Wolverine. It's because they can't swarm a moderately street-level character to death.

Wouldn't they just smack each other a little then run away until they were spread out over hundreds of millions of miles?

Every show I've seen involving bears portrays them at being very non-confrontational and mutually prefer not to fight unless protecting cubs or surprised. Though, appearing shoulder to shoulder with a half dozen bears might be quite a shock for them. A bunch would get trampled.

Wolverines a moderate street levler? do you really think that little of him. Logan is not even a street leveler he above that and if he was a street leveler he be at the top of the list

Originally posted by grey fox
Hal Jordan a normal 'non-peak' human punched out a GB once , thus Wolvie rips them all a new one and buys a small country from the revenue he receives from his new coat/rug company.

I could kill a rat by merely stomping on it.

This does not mean I can take 8 million rats or even 1000.

Originally posted by masterbruce
I could kill a rat by merely stomping on it.

This does not mean I can take 8 million rats or even 1000.

You also can't heal perpetually.

Originally posted by masterbruce
I could kill a rat by merely stomping on it.

This does not mean I can take 8 million rats or even 1000.

you probably could...unless they have rabies...theeeen you probably couldn't

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You also can't heal perpetually.

even if I could heal perpetually...I would merely be alive but perpetually eaten as my flesh grew back

8 million rats could feed on me for eternity until the end of time as they will breed and live off me forever

same thing with Logan, he might kill a coupla hundred grizzlies until they bite away all of his flesh...then he'd be a skeleton that is constantly reforming flesh but everytime he does, another bear will eat it

Originally posted by masterbruce
even if I could heal perpetually...I would merely be alive but perpetually eaten as my flesh grew back

8 million rats could feed on me for eternity until the end of time as they will breed and live off me forever

Nice image.

Originally posted by masterbruce
same thing with Logan, he might kill a coupla hundred grizzlies until they bite away all of his flesh...then he'd be a skeleton that is constantly reforming flesh but everytime he does, another bear will eat it

He also has strategy on his side Logan won't just stand in the middle of a field and fight them.

Originally posted by jinzin
OH for ****s sake.
See this is what I mean, you say you don’t complain and that you’ve matured, but you really haven’t. All of your debates and posts reduce to you getting frustrated with you losing and failing to make your point and reducing yourself to petty namecalling, but this time I am not going to stoop to your level, I’m going to let you act like a ranting child. It’s not making your points sound any more valid; in reality it just makes you look immature. You’re what? 21? Grow up for once, I didn’t insult you at all, and anything I said was mildly humorous. Why are you so sensitive, especially with me? Do you have a chip on your shoulder? You are so mad that you are typing in fury with symbols all over the page. Cheer up. It’s gonna be alright. 🙂

Originally posted by jinzin
And your still full of it as ever.
I see your ability to misinterpret my post is better than ever.

Originally posted by jinzin
NOT ONCE in my post that started this mess did I inquire as to the direction of the bears.
The sad part was that I was talking about the distance apart *two * posts ago and now I was talking about you leaving your posts intentionally vague and open to interpretation to change the interpretation later when people interpret it how you don’t want it interpreted. But I might as well point out your contradiction below.

Originally posted by jinzin
It obvious wherever the bears are they'll be "directed" at Logan.. What I asked was why it's assumed he'll be surrounded.
Now even though I didn’t bring this up, isn’t the direction they are around him still… direction?

Originally posted by jinzin
And NOT ONCE did I say anything that had ANYTHING to do with stealth missions, so again I ask you why the hell you would even bring that up?
I give up, even Capt understood what I meant, you just don’t and won’t.

Originally posted by jinzin
And to top it all off you're now blaming ME for your Short sidedness?
I’m blaming you for your ability to misinterpret posts to a degree that you are satisfied with and refusing to correct, instead relying on being obtuse and just overall repugnant.

Originally posted by jinzin
HAHAHAHAHA! That's a hoot.

Unfortunately in this whole situation, for you, the sadness kills the funny. Trying to look cocky all of the sudden really isn’t helping either. 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
I don't have a problem with Logan in close quarters, That's how he needs to fight this, but I do have a problem with him being assumed to be surrounded when the fight kicks off. He won¡¦t be, and it does matter.

Obviously and in a natural surrounding it can make it harder for him not to be was my point, so it does matter, but not necessarily to your benefit.

Originally posted by jinzin
And no, I didn't have a tough time comprehending what you said,

I don’t think you comprehend what YOU say half the time honestly.

Originally posted by jinzin
I have a tough time connecting it to anything I said, and then I gave you ample opportunity to change that¡K You failed. But it's nice to see you blame me for your problems yet again.

I’m truly blaming you “for my problems” my problem is you failing to connect what everyone clearly understands in the whole thread, that’s my problem… with you. Don’t flatter yourself into thinking I need you for a scapegoat.

Originally posted by jinzin
No youre not.. maybe in C-world.. not the real one..

I love Sea World. 😆

And so does Toby.

And so do you.

http://www.keblawben.com/PhotoAlbums/disney/tn_disney_2000_132_Disney2000%20Sea%20World%2030%20May405_JPG.jpg

Originally posted by jinzin
the only people the hand "job" to, beat the hand for a reason. You just don't want to see that, and you never will.
Funny how only the top Wolverine defender, namely you are holding onto that sad grasp of evidence because it’s all you have, even though people have disagreed and questioned it openly.

Originally posted by jinzin
Do YOU understand that PIS is entirely subjective?
Because you do a piss poor job of explaining WHY it's bad evidence.. "its crap because its crap".
BS, if there’s one thing I do, it’s go into detail. I clearly explained many reasons why it was a suboptimal piece of evidence to use and others understood and agreed, you do a poor job of explaining why it’s good, simply saying that “it happened” despite it showing no relation, and dismissing other fights as having nothing to do with bears, which the hand themselves don’t.

Hypocritical much? 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
Because wolverine obviously has circumstances going for him that Sabretooth didn't.
A better healing factor (by leagues), an adamantium skeleton that protects his vitals and allows his healing factor to have to work less due to no necessity for mending bones, being a smaller target that's more easily lost among the fray, using more skill, speed, and agility to his advantage, and the fact that he's already well versed in their style of combat (which captain America admitted took some time getting used to).

Thanks again for proving my point fo rme.

Originally posted by jinzin
And you still fail to see that they don't "job to give EVERYONE a chance". They lose to a select group; everyone outside of that select group who isn't invulnerable or top tier in power levels hasn't faced the hand with much success.
So they job to that group or you think that Wolverine is invurnerable. 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
I¡¦m bad at logic because I don't agree with you? Yes.. excellent."logic".. 🙄

You’re bad at logic because you don’t even know what logic itself is my friend.

Originally posted by jinzin
Not all foot? Are you referring to the elite? Because earlier you WERE talking about foot soldiers in which case. YES hand still>>> foot.

I meant the elite as well, I just meant the foot, because the foot that trounced Leo had Elite in their ranks.

Originally posted by jinzin
Assuming they were jobbing, yes even then.. hand>>>sentinel. Sentinel>>bears.

Sentinels are jobbers too? Thanks for pointing that out and taking credibility out of your argument even more.

Originally posted by jinzin
I didn¡¦t say they WERE in fact jobbers.. I said "IF THEY WERE", which implies that as it stands they are not. (you can't even grasp that concept but I need to keep up?) Pffft.
You’ve already implied several times that they were…

Originally posted by jinzin
I guess if you're wearing C goggles.

Anyone who has two eyes can see that, and has already seen that… they don’t need swimwear either.. 😆

Originally posted by jinzin
so now you're admitting that you DID bring it up.. guess that makes you a liar don't it?

When did I say that I didn’t bring the Elk up? Go and point to me where I did. I said I brought it up in response to your hand nonsense, but you tried to be hypocritical and say that neither they nor the foot were the hand, and I showed you your bad logic by pointing out that NONE were Grizzlies in the first place.

Originally posted by jinzin
Only if you look at it with a skewed C perspective.

And that’s all you have to say? It seems that the only person with a skewed perspective is you my friend.

Originally posted by jinzin
No it doesn't. No one's arguing that he can be hurt.. And there¡¦s certainly no argument ¡§about whether he can win or not¡¨.. He obviously loses.

Good boy. I’m glad you’ve learned your lesson.

Originally posted by jinzin
[B]
Well you say a lot of things..
And you deny a lot of things.

Originally posted by jinzin
So pop tart> Captain America.

Going by your featwar style of arguing Caps feats beats quite a few characters, particularly a pop tart, why did you use such a bad example?

Originally posted by jinzin
I see why you thought the trio didn't stand a chance in the trio thread..

Here is your other sub optimal tactic of making things up, because that’s not once what I said.

Which is funny coming from the person that said Wolverine could beat Metallo, Carnage, Godzilla, Namor, and insists on using examples of him stalemating the Xmen and walking through blasts as good “evidence”.

Originally posted by jinzin
Pretty sure I just proved that Hand>bears.. but whateva.

At least you’ve given up.

Originally posted by jinzin
Who¡¦s backed against a wall here? You brought up the elk feat and insinuated that "he had been out", which if you read the story itself, you would know was a fallacy.. I'm just trying to tell you what happened.
Funny how that’s not what I implied at all.

Originally posted by jinzin
Spiderman proved to be a pain in the ass for a bunch of holding back x-men that were trying to capture him..
But in the book he wasn’t trying his hardest either, and hey it happened.

Originally posted by jinzin
Everything Spiderman did was within his capabilities to do save sneak attack professor x. The X-men suffered from hardcore CIS in that skirmish and
You don’t even know the difference between PIS and CIS lol, sad for a member who’s been here damn near 3 years.

Originally posted by jinzin
it¡¦s obviously not representative of a fight. That's the problem though isn't it? When you use feats they're always skewed.

Oh yea Mr. Wolverine resisted Telepathy from the Phoenix. 😆

Originally posted by jinzin
people on this forum LOOOOVVVVE bad logic.. It's what makes the comic world go round.. and you need to realize that.
And those people would have to be morons to do so, because the concept of logic is just a tool for reasoning and nothing else, you are mixing “real world” logic for that.

How can you debate with no logic? What you fail to understand or would rather not accept is that logic and debating go hand in hand, or else you shouldn’t have even brought up the hand because there was no need for comparison in an illogical debate. I feel like I’m practicing for my logic class tonight.. lol

Originally posted by jinzin
However the logic that you're referencing is only applicable if it was being initiated as you stated.. it isn't; in this case C isn't tougher than A.
I was talking about in general, and A is a big time jobber.

Originally posted by jinzin
I'm not complaining about anything.
Yea, there’s that denial again.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Nice image.

He also has strategy on his side Logan won't just stand in the middle of a field and fight them.

8 million bears would ensure that Logan has nowhere to run for miles.

do you actually realize just how much 8 million grizzlies is?

first picture 100 grizzlies...that would fill up an NBA basketball court

now 1000 would be 10 basketball courts...or close to a football stadium full of bears

10,000 would fill 10 football stadiums

and so on...8 million grizzlies is an unimaginable amount, Logan will definitely lose