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Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Anybody else think CA is going off the deep end as Monarch? I do like the design of his armor. 👆

yeah, to an extent.

But then again, Captain Atom was always a military man. I mean, he did join the JLA in order to spy on them for the US Government. And he did always have a tendency to view things more like a member of the armed forces than as a superhero. I imagine that if he was genuinely convinced of the nature of the threat, and this was his best option in order to contain it to as few people killed as possible, he'd execute the plan ruthlessly.

He's one of the few JLA members I could imagine being alright with something like dropping the atom bomb on Japan, under the rational that it would save the most lives in the long run. So, I can accept that he'd be much more likely to act like he is as Monarch than Batman or Superman.

Originally posted by Rorschach
Matt asks if Mxy ran into someone else, the writers don't say that he did.

One of them says Mxy might have been talking tough while he was running for his life.

And the other says that Mxy doesn't want anything to with Prime and what he's capable of. The writer even goes as far as to say that its the smartest move Mxy has ever made.

I'm going to say it was Prime, unless you've got some actual evidence that Mxy ran into someone while he was fleeing the 3rd dimension.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I don't expect the writers to reveal that it wasn't actually Prime who Mxy was scared off because then they would reveal some of their plans.

As for proof in the comics ?

You mean besides Mxy not being afraid of Prime during the time he was tortured and even making fun of him ?

Besides the fact that Mxy wasn't in the least in panic or shock when he left Superboy Prime ?

Besides the fact that even Superboy Prime flat out states that doesn't need magic anyway and leaves, thus disaproving the fact that he was still searching for Mxy or trying to attack the fifth dimension ?

Besides the fact that Superboy Prime has no chance in hell against the fifth dimension ?

Or besides the fact that Mxy reffers to the one who attacked him before entering the fifth dimension as "He is .. the END !", and I hope you're not suggesting he is reffering to Prime.

Really now 😬

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You mean besides Mxy not being afraid of Prime during the time he was tortured and even making fun of him ?

When has Mxy ever been afraid of anything? Besides Prime. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Besides the fact that Mxy wasn't in the least in panic or shock when he left Superboy Prime ?

But he wanted to get out there pretty quickly.

Mxy: But sometimes even the Trickster God comes out a loser…and the only trick he has left is a fast exit.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Besides the fact that even Superboy Prime flat out states that doesn't need magic anyway and leaves, thus disaproving the fact that he was still searching for Mxy or trying to attack the fifth dimension ?

Mxy: Come with me before he decided that we’re worth killing after all!

Kinda implies that Prime might show up in the 5th dimension. Just to **** it up because Mxy pissed him off.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Besides the fact that Superboy Prime has no chance in hell against the fifth dimension ?

You're probably right, after all, Prime is just a brick. But we don't exactly how powerful Prime is with his power-up, and the 5th dimension could be weaker than it was before, after the events of DOV.

And not all 5D beings are as powerful as Mxy.

IIRC, Superman beat a being that was killing a 5D being in Heavens Ladder.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Or besides the fact that Mxy reffers to the one who attacked him before entering the fifth dimension as "He is .. the END !", and I hope you're not suggesting he is reffering to Prime.

Really now 😬

I'm assuming it is Prime.

Prime was the last guy Mxy encountered in the comic, the writers say that Mxy doesn’t want anything to do with Prime and that it’s the smartest decision he’s ever made, and Prime is the guy on a mission to destroy alternate Earths.

I’ll gladly change my mind if a writer eventually says that it was someone else Mxy was referring to, or it’s somehow shown in the comic that Mxy was referring to someone else. Till then however, I’m sticking with Prime.

When has Mxy ever been afraid of anything? Besides Prime. shifty

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MxyAfraid.jpg

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From Mxy's reactions during and after his confrontation with Superboy, it's obviously not him he's afraid of.

But he wanted to get out there pretty quickly.

Mxy: But sometimes even the Trickster God comes out a loser…and the only trick he has left is a fast exit.

Doesn't change the fact that, like I said, he wasn't shocked or panicked when he left Superboy Prime while when he reached the 5th dimension he was desperate.

Mxy: Come with me before he decided that we’re worth killing after all!

Kinda implies that Prime might show up in the 5th dimension. Just to **** it up because Mxy pissed him off.

Actually no, it doesn't really imply that and from the fact that Superboy stated that he doesn't need magic anyway, or the fact that Superboy is busy searching for his earth, I don't see why he would waste time chasing Mxy off, when nothing suggests that. Not to mention that Mxy can kick the crap out of him.

You're probably right, after all, Prime is just a brick. But we don't exactly how powerful Prime is with his power-up, and the 5th dimension could be weaker than it was before, after the events of DOV.

And not all 5D beings are as powerful as Mxy.

IIRC, Superman beat a being that was killing a 5D being in Heavens Ladder.

Nothing suggests that the 5th dimension was affected in any way by what Spectre did in DOV and since it's a different dimension with different laws, I don't see why it would.

And seeing as how Prime needed Zatanna to block Mxy's powers I don't see why he would even try to mess with Mxy when he isn't depowered.

I'm assuming it is Prime.

Yes

Prime was the last guy Mxy encountered in the comic

This is another assumption

the writers say that Mxy doesn’t want anything to do with Prime and that it’s the smartest decision he’s ever made, and Prime is the guy on a mission to destroy alternate Earths.

Doesn't change the fact that Prime needed help from Zatanna to block Mxy's powers, obviously implying that he couldn't manage him on his own. And like I said, I don't expect the writers to say that it was someone else aswell as the fact that they didn't flat out state that it was Superboy Prime Mxy was afraid of, which is illogical.

Till then however, I’m sticking with Prime.

Okay.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MxyAfraid.jpg

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Yep, he sure is scared of Prime. 😖hifty:

And, I also recall Mxy getting kind of scared of Superman on his wedding day, and during the Ending Battle story arc.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Doesn't change the fact that, like I said, he wasn't shocked or panicked when he left Superboy Prime while when he reached the 5th dimension he was desperate.

He only appeared in one page after he left Prime (besides the backup story).

And there was no one else till he got to the 5th dimension. He wasn't going to be asking for someone to seal off the 5th dimension when there was no one around him.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Actually no, it doesn't really imply that and seeing as how Superboy stated that he doesn't need magic anyway, or the fact that Superboy is busy searching for his earth, I don't see why he would waste time chasing Mxy off, when nothing suggests that.

He didn't have to waste his time killing the alternate Zatanna either. But he did anyway, because she pissed him off. And I don't think Prime was actually chasing Mxy into the 5th dimension, I think Mxy just didn't want to risk running into Prime again. Which is why he asked for the 5th dimension to be sealed off and said that he could never go back to the DC Multiverse.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Not to mention that Mxy can kick the crap out of him.

He should be able to.

As far as feats go, Mxy is leagues above Prime.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Nothing suggests that the 5th dimension was affected in any way by what Spectre did in DOV and seeing as how it's a different dimension with different laws, I don't see why it would.

In Adventures of Superman 646, Mxy appeared to have forgotten his name, and casting just one spell caused him pain. Even a piece of kryptonite was able to pierce his skin.

Mxy was somehow affected and wasn't at full power in that comic, maybe he's still not at full power. The Spectre’s assault on magic affected one 5D being, or was there another reason as to why Mxy couldn't remember his name?

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And seeing as how Prime needed Zatanna to block Mxy's powers I don't see why he would even try to mess with Mxy when he isn't depowered.

Prime is a brick. He has no way of sealing Mxy’s powers.

Prime is also the same guy who thought he could survive a Big Bang. He’s an arrogant kid. He didn’t even have Mxy depowered until Mxy refused to team up with him. And for whatever reason, that Zatanna who sealed Mxy’s powers, seemed to be afraid of Prime.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
This is another assumption

Maybe you misunderstood him.

What I meant was that in the comic, Mxy never met anyone else on-panel, after he had left the DC Multiverse.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Doesn't change the fact that Prime needed help from Zatanna to block Mxy's powers, obviously implying that he couldn't manage him on his own.

A Zatanna that appeared to be afraid of Prime, and was then killed by Prime at the end of the issue. I doubt Prime could actually torture Mxy if he was at full-power. The guy could just teleport out of Prime's lair if he had his powers, so obviously Prime needed someone to depower him, in order to keep him from escaping.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And like I said, I don't expect the writers to say that it was someone else aswell as the fact that they didn't flat out state that it was Superboy Prime Mxy was afraid of, which is illogical.[/B]

But one of the writers did say that Mxy wants nothing to do with Prime, when talking about the issue where Mxy gets back to the 5th dimension and asks his girlfriend/wife to seal it off. That's got to count for something.

I concede.

Paul Dini just told me that it wasn't Prime that Mxy was referring to. 🙁

Originally posted by Rorschach
I concede.

Paul Dini just told me that it wasn't Prime that Mxy was referring to. 🙁

Not calling you a lier but I would very much like to see this.

Yep, he sure is scared of Prime. shifty

And, I also recall Mxy getting kind of scared of Superman on his wedding day, and during the Ending Battle story arc.

Nothing shows he was scared of Prime.

And I remember a few instances besides this one was Mxy was scared also. But point is, he was never shown to be afraid of Prime.

He only appeared in one page after he left Prime (besides the backup story).

And there was no one else till he got to the 5th dimension. He wasn't going to be asking for someone to seal off the 5th dimension when there was no one around him.

And in that one page he wasn't either desperate or scared like he was when he got to the 5th dimension.
You assume there was no one else until the 5th dimension.

He didn't have to waste his time killing the alternate Zatanna either. But he did anyway, because she pissed him off. And I don't think Prime was actually chasing Mxy into the 5th dimension, I think Mxy just didn't want to risk running into Prime again. Which is why he asked for the 5th dimension to be sealed off and said that he could never go back to the DC Multiverse.

Wasting little time killing Zatanna while on his way out of there and actually chasing Mxy to the 5th dimension are very different things.
I don't see why Mxy wouldn't want to risk running into Prime seeing as how Prime already killed Zatanna and had no way of blocking Mxy's powers again in which case Mxy would have stomped him.

He should be able to.

As far as feats go, Mxy is leagues above Prime.

Yes.

In Adventures of Superman 646, Mxy appeared to have forgotten his name, and casting just one spell caused him pain. Even a piece of kryptonite was able to pierce his skin.

Mxy was somehow affected and wasn't at full power in that comic, maybe he's still not at full power. The Spectre’s assault on magic affected one 5D being, or was there another reason as to why Mxy couldn't remember his name?

One Imp being affected while being in the dimension that Spectre was having his war on magic is very different from the 5th dimension being affected all.

Prime is a brick. He has no way of sealing Mxy’s powers.

Prime is also the same guy who thought he could survive a Big Bang. He’s an arrogant kid. He didn’t even have Mxy depowered until Mxy refused to team up with him. And for whatever reason, that Zatanna who sealed Mxy’s powers, seemed to be afraid of Prime.

The fact that you say is arrogant even further strenghtens my point, because he actually got help in confronting Mxy.

Maybe you misunderstood him.

What I meant was that in the comic, Mxy never met anyone else on-panel, after he had left the DC Multiverse.

He wasn't shown in the 5th dimension thus he never left the DC Multiverse in that comic. During the time he left Prime and was heading twoards the 5th dimension he could have met somebody who scared him like that.

A Zatanna that appeared to be afraid of Prime, and was then killed by Prime at the end of the issue. I doubt Prime could actually torture Mxy if he was at full-power. The guy could just teleport out of Prime's lair if he had his powers, so obviously Prime needed someone to depower him, in order to keep him from escaping.

Perhaps Zatanna couldn't affect Prime, but in fond, it's speculations on why Zatanna feared Prime. But we do know that Zatanna was weaker than Mxy so using her judge Mxy and Superboy isn't that good. And if SBP would have truly been more powerfull than Mxy he would have beat him down on his own, without any help.

But one of the writers did say that Mxy wants nothing to do with Prime, when talking about the issue where Mxy gets back to the 5th dimension and asks his girlfriend/wife to seal it off. That's got to count for something.

That doesn't prove that Mxy can't beat Prime nor that Mxy was afraid of Prime when he arrived to the 5th dimension.

Another aspect that should be taken into consideration is Mxy's appearence after leaving Prime and once entering the 5th dimension.

Except the S on his face he was pretty much fine when leaving Prime :

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MxyFace.jpg

While in the 5th dimension, he was in blood :

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MxyAfraid.jpg

Originally posted by Rorschach
I concede.

Paul Dini just told me that it wasn't Prime that Mxy was referring to. 🙁

Didn't see this.

Okay.

I'll be honest and say I'm starting to get intrigued. The Monitors, Monarch and his insanity, Darkseid's war plans, OMACs, Kingdom Come Superman. It's all very epic. I can't imagine how casual fans will have any idea what's going on once FC rolls around, but that's not really our concern.

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Have they explained why Monarch is so powerful?

Countdown to Adventure most likely detail Monarch's powers and plans.

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Porter Supes looks great!

Originally posted by Deathstroke
Have they explained why Monarch is so powerful?

Maybe it made him crazy as well. Or it was the stress, or he saw something that made him snap.

I just had a little theory that his power was still connected to the Void somehow from the Armageddon mini series. The only real reasons I think that are because he's been using pink energy blasts as of late and right before he's teleported back to earth he has a pink glow around him.

Originally posted by Deathstroke
I just had a little theory that his power was still connected to the Void somehow from the Armageddon mini series. The only real reasons I think that are because he's been using pink energy blasts as of late and right before he's teleported back to earth he has a pink glow around him.

that actually makes a lot of sense, and it explains a lot of the Wildstorm influences going on with him right: he recruits Apollo, he's kicking back in what's basically a shiftship, and he's chilling all throughout the Bleed.

To be honest, I really don't want to have Worldstorm involved in Final Crisis. Unless the Crisis is solved by a team-up of the Authority, Planetary, and Holden Carver, while Jackson King, in his crazy-ass Battalion armor shouts something like, "Damnnn, boy, you've done it now." And all the mainstream DC heroes just look on, awed and ineffectual.

Why exactly is Apollo there anyway? Monarch didn't recruit 3 of him like everyone else.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Why exactly is Apollo there anyway? Monarch didn't recruit 3 of him like everyone else.

From the big group shots, it looks like he got recruited as an alternate version of... the Ray? What the hell?

I mean, I guess you could say that Majestic is the Wildstorm equivalent of Superman, so if you were forced to make all the Wildstorm characters someone's analogue, you couldn't use Apollo in that place... but he's certainly not an equivalent to the freaking Ray , the most useless superhero ever. Plus, why is he drawn with that gigantic dumb-looking grin in that group shot anyways?

Although, I figure if anyone else would, you'd get a kick out of seeing Apollo being completely nonchalant about the whole being ripped out of his whole reality thing and looking like he's just bored and annoyed: sighing, "I really... don't have time for this." I mean, stuff like being forced to battle within the Bleed against alternate reality versions of themselves is something the Authority deals with on a daily basis.

By the way, you enjoying Authority: Prime? Between House of M: Avengers, and Authority: Prime, Christos Gage is moving up several marks in my book of good writers.

Midnighters, "It's kind of played, but they seem so disappointed when I don't say it." And then Rose Tattoo, having sex with some crazy 90s Stormwatch member, saying "Say it again," was awesome. That and the fun little fight between the new Doctor and Jenny. It's great to see someone who writes the Authority in a crossover properly.

Arena #2

Spoiler:

-Monarch kills Ray of Earth #10 for escaping
-Ray Palmer of Earth #6 beats Apollo of Earth #50 [doesn't kill him, just KO]
-Blue Bettle of Earth #21 kills Blue Bettle of Earth #39 & #33
-Monarch fights Green Lantern of Earth #12, #32 and one they didn't say what Earth he was from. He easily dominates them then it a pretty cool battle, but GL from the Batman Beyond Earth wins....but he only has one arm thanks to Monarch. Darkest Knight survives, and is put on "ice"
-It's revealed the Liberty Files Batman that was killed by the Vampire Batman is alive...and is now a vampire

Countdown #20

Spoiler:

-OMAC's plan and do...stuff
-Jimmy finds Forager, and she attacks him
-Shows battles from Arena, they mess up which Batman dies and what survives.
-Piper slows down the countdown with his flute
-Piper begins carry Trickerster's body acorss the desert
-Black Alice and Eclipso rematch, actually didn't end from the last issue and she punks Mary pretty bad and then leaves her alone crying

The voting was obviously rigged. 😐

There's no way that BB Green Lantern would get more votes than Bruce Wayne GL.

Originally posted by Rorschach
The voting was obviously rigged. 😐

There's no way that BB Green Lantern would get more votes than Bruce Wayne GL.

Yeah that irked me, I voted for Liberty Files Batman and he was killed; but thankfully he is back...kinda