Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
srugI assume a great amount of comic book physcis was involved in order to allow the planets to get that close together.
Ahh yes comic book physics, that defy all the laws of physics to make the impossible, possible! 😄
The temptation is to yell "PIS!" at the top of my voice but I will refrain until I know exactley how it happened.
Originally posted by HerculesI would say calling him a Conan rip is stretching the character a bit. Conan has peak human strength or slightly higher. He-Man is in Hercs league.
Hes actually a Conan the Barbarian rip off, who evolved into something more.Calling him "Thor with a sword" is stretching the character quite a bit.
Originally posted by juggernaut74Correct, but the quality of fighter that Herc battles on a regular basis is better. He-Man is strong, but he looks even stronger because he's pounding guy's like Merman, or Beast man, guy's like that would last 3 seconds in either DC, or Marvel.....
I would say calling him a Conan rip is stretching the character a bit. Conan has peak human strength or slightly higher. He-Man is in Hercs league.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
I would say calling him a Conan rip is stretching the character a bit. Conan has peak human strength or slightly higher. He-Man is in Hercs league.
No he literaly is a Conan Rip off, Mattel orginaly wanted to do a line of Conan action figures but couldn't get the licence.
Like I said, he EVOLVED into what he is now, read an early He Man mini comic and he fights with an axe and a shield and is merely a very strong barbarian character.
No Prince Adam, no screaming "by the power of grayskull" and no hurling planets into orbit.
I'm not stretching the character at all, merely stating how he started out and what he turned into.
Originally posted by HerculesBut we are not using He-Man the way he started out. Now he's Got godlike strength and a powerful magical weapon. Like Thor.
No he literaly is a Conan Rip off, Mattel orginaly wanted to do a line of Conan action figures but couldn't get the licence.Like I said, he EVOLVED into what he is now, read an early He Man mini comic and he fights with an axe and a shield and is merely a very strong barbarian character.
No Prince Adam, no screaming "by the power of grayskull" and no hurling planets into orbit.
I'm not stretching the character at all, merely stating how he started out and what he turned into.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
But we are not using He-Man the way he started out. Now he's Got godlike strength and a powerful magical weapon. Like Thor.
This is why I used the word "Evolved" but fact remains the idea for He Man came from Conan not Thor.
If your using such simplistic terms to say he is like Thor then I would agree but the same terms could be used for Hercules too and Odin etc etc, most Gods have Godlike strength and magical weapons.
Hes much more a Herc type character than a Thor, Herc would be the closest Marvel had to a match for him, which is why the topic is well chosen.
Hercules is a hero based in myth, his feats equal He man's, he has a few millenia on He Man experience wise and has defeated foes that seem to be a much greater threat than He Man's.
Combat edge has to go to Herc, its a toss up between them Strength wise, Hercs mace can block Thor's hammer so its blocking the power sword.
Speed wise, He man may be on top but even using your Thor analogy, Herc regularly fights Thor to a stand still.
Seriously, toss a coin between these two its that close.
Originally posted by Hercules
Hes actually a Conan the Barbarian rip off, who evolved into something more.Calling him "Thor with a sword" is stretching the character quite a bit.
Originally posted by Hercules
No he literaly is a Conan Rip off, Mattel orginaly wanted to do a line of Conan action figures but couldn't get the licence.Like I said, he EVOLVED into what he is now, read an early He Man mini comic and he fights with an axe and a shield and is merely a very strong barbarian character.
No Prince Adam, no screaming "by the power of grayskull" and no hurling planets into orbit.
I'm not stretching the character at all, merely stating how he started out and what he turned into.
Originally posted by Hercules
This is why I used the word "Evolved" but fact remains the idea for He Man came from Conan not Thor.If your using such simplistic terms to say he is like Thor then I would agree but the same terms could be used for Hercules too and Odin etc etc, most Gods have Godlike strength and magical weapons.
Hes much more a Herc type character than a Thor, Herc would be the closest Marvel had to a match for him, which is why the topic is well chosen.
Hercules is a hero based in myth, his feats equal He man's, he has a few millenia on He Man experience wise and has defeated foes that seem to be a much greater threat than He Man's.
Combat edge has to go to Herc, its a toss up between them Strength wise, Hercs mace can block Thor's hammer so its blocking the power sword.
Speed wise, He man may be on top but even using your Thor analogy, Herc regularly fights Thor to a stand still.
Seriously, toss a coin between these two its that close.
Wrong.
Mattel had a license to produce a line of action figures based on the 1982 film "Conan the Barbarian," but upon learning of the content of the film and its R-rating, did not believe that enough children would be able to see the film for a line of action figures to be successful, and the project was abandoned.
He-Man is the conception of Mattel designer, Roger Sweet. Inspired by the fantasy paintings of Frank Franzetta, Roger Sweet sculpted the He-Man prototype over an existing Big Jim action figure, and went on to design the first three waves of Masters of the Universe action figures, playsets, and vehicles.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Wrong.Mattel had a license to produce a line of action figures based on the 1982 film "Conan the Barbarian," but upon learning of the content of the film and its R-rating, did not believe that enough children would be able to see the film for a line of action figures to be successful, and the project was abandoned.
He-Man is the conception of Mattel designer, Roger Sweet. Inspired by the fantasy paintings of Frank Franzetta, Roger Sweet sculpted the He-Man prototype over an existing Big Jim action figure, and went on to design the first three waves of Masters of the Universe action figures, playsets, and vehicles.
Not entirely wrong, I knew mattel wanted to make a conan the barbarian line, I thought they just had problems with the licence.
Are you also saying I'm wrong that Prince Adam never exsisted in the first wave? are you trying to tell me I'm wrong with the FACT that He Man was a wandering Barbarian type character originaly.
I will give you that I was wrong about Mattel not getting the licence and you obviously have more knowledge of the concept than I do.
But don't make out as everything I have said is wrong, when I stated the idea evolved from Conan.
Which you ahve just supported, seriously people need to understand what I mean when I say a concept EVOLVED.
EDIT: let me try and break this down, Mattel decide that Conan is too adult and drop the idea but they still want a barbarian type musclular hero, enter Roger Sweet, Mattel don't want to do Conan, he takes the barbarian concept and puts his own take on it, 1981 comes and ta da we have He Man.
Later they give He Man an alter ego, a little like Shazam, his strength increases as his story line evolves etc etc.
See where I was going, Conan rip off was a bit harsh but character wise he has little in common with Thor.
If I'm wrong about the Conan licence, fair enough but don't quote every single one of my posts, term them ALL "wrong" and only prove me wrong on the licence.
Originally posted by GoBotsLive
ROTFLOL at all the threads stating He-man can beat the Hulk, Thor, Superman and other super heroes. This is a muscle-bound meathead who gets pwned by Hordak and Skeletor every now and then. Dr. Strange could kick Hordak's @ss any day.And Skeletor... Let me just say that if Hulk, Thor or even Wolverine lived in Eternia, Skeletor would be no more.
Originally posted by Hercules
Not entirely wrong, I knew mattel wanted to make a conan the barbarian line, I thought they just had problems with the licence.Are you also saying I'm wrong that Prince Adam never exsisted in the first wave? are you trying to tell me I'm wrong with the FACT that He Man was a wandering Barbarian type character originaly.
I will give you that I was wrong about Mattel not getting the licence and you obviously have more knowledge of the concept than I do.
But don't make out as everything I have said is wrong, when I stated the idea evolved from Conan.
Which you ahve just supported, seriously people need to understand what I mean when I say a concept EVOLVED.
EDIT: let me try and break this down, Mattel decide that Conan is too adult and drop the idea but they still want a barbarian type musclular hero, enter Roger Sweet, Mattel don't want to do Conan, he takes the barbarian concept and puts his own take on it, 1981 comes and ta da we have He Man.
Later they give He Man an alter ego, a little like Shazam, his strength increases as his story line evolves etc etc.
See where I was going, Conan rip off was a bit harsh but character wise he has little in common with Thor.
If I'm wrong about the Conan licence, fair enough but don't quote every single one of my posts, term them ALL "wrong" and only prove me wrong on the licence.
Wrong.
He-Man was conceived as the ultimate hero in that while Conan is a barbarian, G.I. Joe is a soldier, and Flash Gordon is a science fiction hero, He-Man was not constrained by any of these roles; he could alternate between them, and more.
With no supplemental programming to promote a line of action figures, Mattel comissioned a series of 30 second television advertisements and a season of episodes to be aired in syndication from Los Angeles-based animation studio, FILMation.
In order for each of the figures in the first assortment to be packaged with supplemental materials upon release, Mattel licensed four miniature comic books to be produced by various artists and writers. Without the Masters of the Universe series bible, the writers of the first four miniature comic books only had the appearance of the figures to go on. This is why there is a disparity between the first four miniature comic books and the cartoon series.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Wrong.He-Man was conceived as the ultimate hero in that while Conan is a barbarian, G.I. Joe is a soldier, and Flash Gordon is a science fiction hero, He-Man was not constrained by any of these roles; he could alternate between them, and more.
With no supplemental programming to promote a line of action figures, Mattel comissioned a series of 30 second television advertisements and a season of episodes to be aired in syndication from Los Angeles-based animation studio, FILMation.
In order for each of the figures in the first assortment to be packaged with supplemental materials upon release, Mattel licensed four miniature comic books to be produced by various artists and writers. Without the Masters of the Universe series bible, the writers of the first four miniature comic books only had the appearance of the figures to go on. This is why there is a disparity between the first four miniature comic books and the cartoon series.
Well thanks for the background, still again your saying that the first four comic books had no prince adam in it, these would be the first four mini comics I read and a lot of kids read.
So as I said there was no Prince Adam at first, there was no Prince Adam figure in the first line of figures either, I said there was no Prince Adam in the first wave.
And there was not, so why I consider myself educated in the background of mattel (thanks for that) some of my statements were correct all be it for the wrong reasons.
Also while the Conan connection has been denied by mattel and who can blame them for that, you have to wonder if mattel hadn't originaly wanted to make a Conan line of figures would they have come up with the concept for He Man?
Also isn't it just one of those crazy coinky dinks that He Man fights bare chested in a pair of fur shorts with ancient weapons, very much like Conan?
There has also been a lot of theories thrown round that Skeletor was based on Thulsa Doom, but hey as long as Mattel throws out the official line that he wasn't who am I to judge.
The debate I believe was He Man vs Hercules and I still say this is a toss up as to who wins, strength wise they seem to be pretty close to each other, Hercules I would say had the edge in combat experience and skill.
I would give He Man the edge in speed and both have been seen to be very durable.
I would go so far as to say they are in deadlock 5/10 no majority.
Originally posted by Hercules
Well thanks for the background, still again your saying that the first four comic books had no prince adam in it, these would be the first four mini comics I read and a lot of kids read.So as I said there was no Prince Adam at first, there was no Prince Adam figure in the first line of figures either, I said there was no Prince Adam in the first wave.
And there was not, so why I consider myself educated in the background of mattel (thanks for that) some of my statements were correct all be it for the wrong reasons.
Also while the Conan connection has been denied by mattel and who can blame them for that, you have to wonder if mattel hadn't originaly wanted to make a Conan line of figures would they have come up with the concept for He Man?
Also isn't it just one of those crazy coinky dinks that He Man fights bare chested in a pair of fur shorts with ancient weapons, very much like Conan?
There has also been a lot of theories thrown round that Skeletor was based on Thulsa Doom, but hey as long as Mattel throws out the official line that he wasn't who am I to judge.
The debate I believe was He Man vs Hercules and I still say this is a toss up as to who wins, strength wise they seem to be pretty close to each other, Hercules I would say had the edge in combat experience and skill.
I would give He Man the edge in speed and both have been seen to be very durable.
I would go so far as to say they are in deadlock 5/10 no majority.
That Prince Adam is not in the first four miniature comics is not the same as Prince Adam is not a part of the original Masters of the Universe concept.
Moreover, Thulsa Doom is a Krull the Conqueror villain, not a Conan the Barbarian villain.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Moreover, Thulsa Doom is a Krull the Conqueror villain, not a Conan the Barbarian villain.
Let me expand, Thulsa Doom is the main villian in the Conan the Barbarian film, he was described as having "a Skull like face" in the Krull the Conqueror books and there is speculation that he was the basis for Skeletor but mattel have never confirmed this.
I accept your point on Adam, as far as I knew he was a creation of the cartoon and I know he wasn't in the first wave of figures, you have proved otherwise, I can live with that.
Now, can we debate the fight, or shall we have a "Mattel vs Theory" debate instead? 😉
You haven't actually said how you would see the fight going yet... 😄
Re: Winner: He-Man
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Power of Grayskull = Deus Ex Machina
Indeed and with what I learned in the He Man vs War Hulk thread from Scoobles and digi, he is as strong as he needs to be.
I would still give Hercules the combat experience and skill edge but I have to admit on further evidence I can see He Man taking a majority.
As a huge Herc fan, you don't know how hard that is for me to admit... 😄
But, new information can change things and I'm not so stubborn that I can't admit when my boys in over his head.
Still would be a hell of a fight though! 😱