He-man vs Hercules

lol.

That Skeletor was opening dimensional portals in the old comics for fun.

Give me a break. And we better not talk about "plot devices" because that was what pre crisis Superman was all about. A new power out of his arse each new day.

Originally posted by GoBotsLive
Skeletor is D-level because he's never been able to even so much as harm He-man. Heck, he's never even killed anyone

Originally posted by GoBotsLive
Skeletor, who has no super strength, intelligence or fighting skills to speak of is D-level.

No you havent. Skel is highly intelligent in the majority of the versions and magical powerful. He is also skilled with figthing with his rune staff since he can hang with He-Man in that regard.

And He-man is no slouch in the figthing department itself. Really, is there any need for you to underrate to absurd levels a character in order to make its counterpart look "uninpressive"? Thats a desperate resort at best.

Skeletor, has picked Beastman up and thrown him, so he must have some degree of superhuman strength.

Originally posted by olympian
lol.

That Skeletor was opening dimensional portals in the old comics for fun.

Yeah, and what did he do with them... Nothing.

Originally posted by olympian
lGive me a break. And we better not talk about "plot devices" because that was what pre crisis Superman was all about. A new power out of his arse each new day.

Great... Only we're not discussing PC Superman are we... When was the last time Skeletor opened a portal and controlled a super-being into beating He-man down... Oh, wait... It was only once as a plot device...

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Originally posted by olympian
Never read any kind of MOTU comic, have you?

ditto...

Originally posted by olympian
No you havent. Skel is highly intelligent in the majority of the versions and magical powerful. He is also skilled with figthing with his rune staff since he can hang with He-Man in that regard.

Define highly intelligent. Because for all the so-called magic powers and intelligence Skeletor has, he's never even defeated He-man, who just happens to be on a "need-based" strength, according to oficionados.

Originally posted by olympian
And He-man is no slouch in the figthing department itself. Really, is there any need for you to underrate to absurd levels a character in order to make its counterpart look "uninpressive"? Thats a desperate resort at best.

No one ever said He-man was a slouch at combat. But against Hercules, he's outmatched in strength, tenacity, skill, experience and ability.

Oh, and for the record... Desperate is trying to make characters from an afternoon cartoon look like gods when they were meant as plot devices for children.

Skeletor can amp his strength to huge levels. In one episode of the old cartoon, skeletor increased his size and strength to take He-Man down in a finger lock...of course He-Man eventually overcame that by taking Skeletor's feet out from under him...but He-Man was overpowered in that instance. Skeletor also created a Faker He-Man which rivaled He-Man physically.

Before many of you go on rants to show just how baddass He-man really is, please provide some proof that He-man has the ability to wreck someone like Thor, Hulk, Superman, Orion, etc...

Because frankly, I've never read, seen or heard of He-man defeating anyone of that caliber of strength, experience and skill.

Perhaps the most crushing blow to He-man is his own strength... If indeed his strength is need-based, then he would lose to Batman, Spiderman, Wolverine, Blade, Lady Shiva, and lots more. This logic follows that He-man is only given enough STRENGTH according to the situation. Well, then all these characters would give He-man a ass-whoopin' because they've all defeated foes much stronger then them. Heck, Wolverine and Spiderman have tangled with the Hulk. He-man being just stronger than Wolverine, Spiderman or Batman wouldn't suffice. They'd kill him. See my point.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Skeletor can amp his strength to huge levels. In one episode of the old cartoon, skeletor increased his size and strength to take He-Man down in a finger lock...of course He-Man eventually overcame that by taking Skeletor's feet out from under him...but He-Man was overpowered in that instance. Skeletor also created a Faker He-Man which rivaled He-Man physically.

Oh yes, ever beloved cartoons... Well, why didn't he do the same thing when He-man was depowered? Plot device...

Originally posted by GoBotsLive
Before many of you go on rants to show just how baddass He-man really is, please provide some proof that He-man has the ability to wreck someone like Thor, Hulk, Superman, Orion, etc...

Because frankly, I've never read, seen or heard of He-man defeating anyone of that caliber of strength, experience and skill.

Perhaps the most crushing blow to He-man is his own strength... If indeed his strength is need-based, then he would lose to Batman, Spiderman, Wolverine, Blade, Lady Shiva, and lots more. This logic follows that He-man is only given enough STRENGTH according to the situation. Well, then all these characters would give He-man a ass-whoopin' because they've all defeated foes much stronger then them. Heck, Wolverine and Spiderman have tangled with the Hulk. He-man being just stronger than Wolverine, Spiderman or Batman wouldn't suffice. They'd kill him. See my point.

Do you see Batman or Spiderman holding up the weight of that giant foot, in the previous scans? No, both of them would be crushed. Neither one of them would really have a way of beating something like that. Sure, they could out run it perhaps, but that about all they could do. Now, I'm not disputing that Hercules is a superior fighter than He-Man....i know Herc has more skills. However, He-Man has more strength feats than Hercules has. When was the last time Hercules moved celestial bodies...or cast huge mountain like structures into the sun while on Earth?

He-Man has many low showings...but he has high showings too. On a physical level...he could hang with anyone in Marvel or DC, imo.

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Originally posted by GoBotsLive
Yeah, and what did he do with them... Nothing.

Treatned Eternia with them, opened them to bring other warriors he wanted to Eternia.

What`s this absurd response of yours?

Originally posted by GoBotsLive
Great... Only we're not discussing PC Superman are we... When was the last time Skeletor opened a portal and controlled a super-being into beating He-man down... Oh, wait... It was only once as a plot device...

Hes done it way more than one time and you would know it if you had read about it.

If you don`t and its clear you didnt, then you could at least admit you arent that aknowleged. That comic version of Skel, was magically uber. Its not about making him into a "god", its about making him into a pre crisis type mage, wich is what he was back then. Absurd stuff is something any guy discussed here, has done.

Originally posted by GoBotsLive
Define highly intelligent.

Someone with a high level of intelligence.

Christ.

Originally posted by GoBotsLive
Because for all the so-called magic powers and intelligence Skeletor has, he's never even defeated He-man, who just happens to be on a "need-based" strength, according to oficionados..

Wich goes to show that once again, the hero wins mostly. How is that different than Superman and Batman, again?

I already made a mark that i dont agree with the "need-based" claims, since it doesnt apply with most versions that i have seen.

He doenst NEED to be boosted, tho. He`s pre crisis level at best in that regard.

Originally posted by GoBotsLive
No one ever said He-man was a slouch at combat. But against Hercules, he's outmatched in strength, tenacity, skill, experience and ability...

See how you never read a good account of MOTU material? Skel`s figthing ability hangs well with He-Man, and he`s more experienced. And according to the version he has a good degree of superstrength.

Hes also more powerful on its own.

Originally posted by GoBotsLive
Oh, and for the record... Desperate is trying to make characters from an afternoon cartoon look like gods when they were meant as plot devices for children.

Why, hello Superman.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
However, He-Man has more strength feats than Hercules has. When was the last time Hercules moved celestial bodies...or cast huge mountain like structures into the sun while on Earth?

Hes trown objects in outer space as well and held celestial objects. Heck, in myth he shot an arrow from Earth to the sun where he hit the Sun-God Helios in the head.
Any of the two at best has ridiculous stuff. However i can see a case of He-Man in special of one version showing an advantage over say, Marvel Hercules, since he doesnt do things like these all the time. Im talking of the pre crisis version.

Its all really a matter of picking up wich version for either, since they kind of fluctuate among them.

He man has picked up and chucked mountains into outerspace. Talk about Teh uber strength feat. Not just lifted, or Held, or supported, but Picked up and hurled off the freaking planet.

Originally posted by GoBotsLive
Before many of you go on rants to show just how baddass He-man really is, please provide some proof that He-man has the ability to wreck someone like Thor, Hulk, Superman, Orion, etc...

He has the physically power, added the magical one of the sword to hang out with any of these.

Marvel Thor would be the best bet to take him, as long he doesn`t resort into brawling mode, otherwise it would be a usual top tier slugfest for the most part.

Again, like most heroe characters, it depends wich version you use. Is current Superman more effective in using powers than the recent He-Man cartoon version? Probably. Is he better than some of the old He-Man comics versions? No.

Originally posted by GoBotsLive
[BBecause frankly, I've never read, seen or heard of He-man defeating anyone of that caliber of strength, experience and skill. Perhaps the most crushing blow to He-man is his own strength... If indeed his strength is need-based, then he would lose to Batman, Spiderman, Wolverine, Blade, Lady Shiva, and lots more. This logic follows that He-man is only given enough STRENGTH according to the situation. Well, then all these characters would give He-man a ass-whoopin' because they've all defeated foes much stronger then them. Heck, Wolverine and Spiderman have tangled with the Hulk. He-man being just stronger than Wolverine, Spiderman or Batman wouldn't suffice. They'd kill him. See my point. [/B]

Im rolling with laugher.

You do know that "being strong as the story requires" its a staple of pretty much all fictional strong guys, i hope?

Gotta go with He-Man here.

Should we just specify wich version of He-Man and Hercules we are using for the tread. Maybe it would be for the best.

Especially to end some of the dubious logic that has been flying around here.

Originally posted by olympian
Im rolling with laugher.

You do know that "being strong as the story requires" its a staple of pretty much all fictional strong guys, i hope?

Then you should really take a good look in the mirror and laugh some more... Since many He-man oficionados have already stated that He-man's strength is literally given on a need-base from Greyskull.

Hence, my argument stands and is left unchallenged. Hercules for the win 10/10.

Originally posted by olympian
He has the physically power, added the magical one of the sword to hang out with any of these.

Pure speculation, considering He-man has NEVER tussled with anyone similar to Hulk, Hercules, Thor, Orion, etc... His only encounter appeared in a bad script where Superman pwned him in less than 4 panels. You call that impressive... 😉

Originally posted by olympian
Should we just specify wich version of He-Man and Hercules we are using for the tread. Maybe it would be for the best.

Especially to end some of the dubious logic that has been flying around here.

It wouldn't make any difference, but for the sake of argument, let's say Hercules vs He-man as they appear today. Hercules is stronger, more skilled and a much better fighter. He also has his mace which is virtually indestructible. Aside from that, Hercules has the advantage of experience fighting numerous super villians, heroes and gods.

He-man, while a formidable character today, fights a sorceror and his evil henchmen who have no super abilities to speak of. Fighting a sorceror and uber-powered humanoid are too different things.

Hence, Herc FTW...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
He-Man has the equivocal endurance, resistance to injury, and strength of a demigod.

He-Man also has an indestructible Sword of Power that can project mystical energy and open inter-dimensional gateways.

In "Taking of Grayskull," He-Man not only lifts Castle Grayskull, but hurls it with sufficient force to exceed the gravitational pull of a whitehole.

In "Trouble In Arcadia," He-Man lifts an entire city.

In "Stone City," He-Man moves an entire mountain range.

In "Eternal Darkness," He-Man hurls a planet into orbit.

In "She-Demon of Phantos," He-Man breaks chains fashioned out of an indestructable mineral.

In "Awaken the Serpent," He-Man kills the god, Serpos.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

Originally posted by GoBotsLive
many He-man oficionados have already stated that He-man's strength is literally given on a need-base from Greyskull.

Hence, my argument stands and is left unchallenged. Hercules for the win 10/10.

I am laughing more. Even if you dont agree with it, wich its to be the correct view, how does someone who depending the version you chose is as strong and more powerful loses 10/10?

It`s moronic at best.

One has to pick the versions to set a match like this. Each guy has at least 6 different versions running around, and they fluctuate in abilities.

Originally posted by GoBotsLive
Pure speculation, considering He-man has NEVER tussled with anyone similar to Hulk, Hercules, Thor, Orion, etc... His only encounter appeared in a bad script where Superman pwned him in less than 4 panels. You call that impressive... 😉

You already showed you lack of knowlege into these characters. He-Man isent the only guy who is unusually strong in that universe.

And your "ownage" its a bit outdated at best. He put Superman down with a single move, traded blows and then Superman put him down with another move, and marvelous, he was back up later. Wich Superman was this? Thats rigth.

Originally posted by GoBotsLive
It wouldn't make any difference, but for the sake of argument, let's say Hercules vs He-man as they appear today. Hercules is stronger, more skilled and a much better fighter. He also has his mace which is virtually indestructible. Aside from that, Hercules has the advantage of experience fighting numerous super villians, heroes and gods.

He-man, while a formidable character today, fights a sorceror and his evil henchmen who have no super abilities to speak of. Fighting a sorceror and uber-powered humanoid are too different things.

Hence, Herc FTW...

"No super abilities to speak off"?

Yeah, you haven`t read anything. Here is an advice: go to YOUTUBE and see some videos of the new cartoon. I am in agreement that currect Hercules is physically better then that version but this is no stompage either way.

By also making Hercules winning 10/10 against a guy like this, you are overrating him in fanboysm levels that i just can`t digest especially since he is a favourite.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Are those comic feats or cartoon?

Old Cartoon i think. At least most of them.

In the Star/Marvel comics that came after that he was easily picking up mountains sometimes tho.

No way Herc gets 10/10 with a guy like this. The only way he does is if it`s Mithological Herc being a bastard and shoot his poisoned arrows from the get go without a care.

Originally posted by olympian
I am laughing more. Even if you dont agree with it, wich its to be the correct view, how does someone who depending the version you chose is as strong and more powerful loses 10/10?

It`s moronic at best.

What’s moronic is someone who fails to debate given points. I already pointed out the reasons He-man loses, yet you continue on rhetorics without any answers.

Suppose He-man is stronger in this confrontation. He would still lose, because the majority of this battles are won through his sheer strength advantage. This wouldn’t matter against Hercules. Comic characters like Hercules, Wolverine, etc... win out of desparation, adaptibility, fighting prowes and tenacity. They are not as one-dimensional as He-man. If strength alone were the only factor of a fight, then the Hulk would win every encounter, since his strength becomes limitless. But we know that isn’t the case. Wolverine has beaten guys 30 times stronger, so has Batman and many others.

Originally posted by olympian
One has to pick the versions to set a match like this. Each guy has at least 6 different versions running around, and they fluctuate in abilities.

See previous posts.

Originally posted by olympian
[BYou already showed you lack of knowlege into these characters. He-Man isent the only guy who is unusually strong in that universe. [/B]

Yeah, but he’s the strongest in his universe. Which goes to support my theory. He-man has never defeated anyone stronger than him, nor anyone more skilled then him. Hence, Hercules would win every time.

Originally posted by olympian
And your "ownage" its a bit outdated at best. He put Superman down with a single move, traded blows and then Superman put him down with another move, and marvelous, he was back up later. Wich Superman was this? Thats rigth.

Irrelevant, since we aren’t talking THAT He-man. Current He-man has never met Superman. Why you continue to bring Superman into this conversation, as though to give credibility to He-man, is beyond me. It was a crossover filled with plot holes and plot devices.

Originally posted by olympian
Yeah, you haven`t read anything. Here is an advice: go to YOUTUBE and see some videos of the new cartoon. I am in agreement that currect Hercules is physically better then that version but this is no stompage either way.

No need. I’ve seen most of the new cartoons and He-man doesn’t even look as impressive as Iron Man. Let me see, in one episode, He-man runs away from a big serpent. In another, he gets blasted by a Wind Raider and goes down. I did like the new cartoons however, because his strength was more consistent. No tossing “styrofoam” mountains into deep space. Just straight out fighting. But he still loses to Hercules.

Originally posted by olympian
No way Herc gets 10/10 with a guy like this. The only way he does is if it`s Mithological Herc being a bastard and shoot his poisoned arrows from the get go without a care.

Herc wins them all, because He-man is the biggest boy scout in the Universe. He doesn’t knock people out and he doesn’t get angry. He’s far from tenacious and he’s very predictable.

Well does he man not bring at least 1 person to his fights?