ESB is THE best SW Movie, period.

Originally posted by exanda kane
Someone once said to me that Empire Strikes Back was nothing more than a link between Star Wars and Return of the Jedi.

Originally posted by exanda kane
He failed to see that there was just a little bit of magic in Empire Strikes Back that other SW films didn't have.

Originally posted by exanda kane
Super-nostalgic romanticization you say? I'd wish it was, but Empire simply set a benchmark for the saga.

I disagree. I feel I know why people like Empire so much, but I still think ANH is a better film. Empire, in some respects, set a benchmark for the saga, but why are we judging the PT against a movie that came out 26 years ago? Empire is a very different film from ANH. I don't like all the changes.

Originally posted by exanda kane
Simply put, ESB is the best SW movie, without the fact that it brought b-movie material into an epic space opera.

In your opinon. One thing I dislike about the OT is its shallowness because its a space opera. There will be no "simply puts" here.

Originally posted by exanda kane
Jog on Alliance. You've found yourself coming to assumptions that simply can't back up. Lucas to Homer? No I did not say that. If you've read Homer, or have little to any knowledge of film in fact, then you'll understand how Kershner's direction influenced the saga in a large way. The colours, the locations and the familiar soundtrack all culminate in such a way that the limitations of the original are simply blown away.

Nostalgic romanticization.

Let me ask you this. What is wrong with ESB?

Originally posted by Alliance
My mistake. I stole the numbers from IMDb and for some reason the subtotal was not in the smae places as the others.

Originally posted by Alliance
I feel people overglorify the OT...

People don't OBJECTIVELY re-analyze the movies from time to time and actually realize that they are flawed ...

Sure. The OT is over-glorified...much like Gone with the Wind and Ben-Hur are over-glorified...but they're still good movies. They've just been given a "classic" status because of the theamtic events that they were when they came out.

And as I said earlier, the OT movies are flawed...(and these flaws were WELL noted by a lot of critics when they came out...especially with the acting)...but there just not NEARLY as flawed as the PT....as noted by critics, the general public (mostly adults), and many Star Wars fans.

Originally posted by Alliance
The PT and OT are not the same trilogy. They were filmed 17-28 years apart. No one should expect them to be the same style or the same movies or judge one according to the other.

This is great too...check it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjce141miEs&mode=related&search=

You can argue all you want, but the OT is branded into movie history. ESB is certainly critically one of the best appreciated of the entire saga. You can disagree but these are still things that made the OT for what it was. And I am dead sure the PT will not be remembered in 30 years time, like the OT is now. That is saying a lot IMHO.

I will remember it 30 years in the future, if i don't die before.

Originally posted by Alliance
I never said that or anything remotely similar. To you.

I disagree. I feel I know why people like Empire so much, but I still think ANH is a better film. Empire, in some respects, set a benchmark for the saga, but why are we judging the PT against a movie that came out 26 years ago? Empire is a very different film from ANH. I don't like all the changes.

In your opinon. One thing I dislike about the OT is its shallowness because its a space opera. There will be no "simply puts" here.

Nostalgic romanticization.

Let me ask you this. What is wrong with ESB?

The acting, while standing above that of other SW films, is a flaw, well noted, as people know. The script, too, is sometimes a hit and miss relationship with the audience, and the ending (post vaders revelation) struggles to keep the momentum in check. You say the OT has a hollowness? Yet still, we are emotionally involved; we don't feel detached as we do in the PT.

Even outlandish yankee's would realise I was not referring to you, but simply expanding my point when I admit "Someone once said to me that Empire Strikes Back was nothing more than a link between Star Wars and Return of the Jedi".

Again, I will simply put to you, ESB is the best Star Wars film. Now, this could deviate with personal opinion, but Empire is the most accoladed for critical success against its counterparts. This is a fact, and not nostalgic glorification. In agreement too, most SW fans, adult viewers stand. If you want to get a tad abstract, and wanted a piece of artwork that showed a fully envisioned and executed saga, then the Empire Strikes Back poster, circa 1977 is the most powerful and involving.

I disagree. I feel I know why people like Empire so much, but I still think ANH is a better film. Empire, in some respects, set a benchmark for the saga, but why are we judging the PT against a movie that came out 26 years ago? Empire is a very different film from ANH. I don't like all the changes.

To you.

You may feel like your rebelling against something worthwhile, but you to face facts, Empire, as an example of film making that you won't find is commonplace; it surpasses any other Star Wars film in mood, theme and execution. Star Wars might be the formulaic summer event movie, but that's all it was.

In short: ESB rules.

I like both, the OT and the PT equal, lets leave it at that.

No, we won't. 😛

We've had a wail of a time moaning about the PT for yonks now, we've had a compiled list of what is wrong with it since it was released, yet we still write out that list every damn day just to prove a point 😉

Great, isn't it? 😉

Really is 😉

I tire of this argument and don't have time to write responses. Sorry if you quoted me, maybe I'll respond this weekend.

Don't fret, we know what you're gonna say.

Nah, I'm not that predictable, least in general, I really do though, feel the OT is overglorified and the PT is underrated.

The OT has the status in filmhistory that justifies its glory including its faults. Pt doesn't have that much other than a lot of money.

ESB is the best. ANH is a close second best ever of all the trilogys.

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