Originally posted by Soljer
They are the most relatable to the typical comic reader.
Ahem, Spider-Man 🙄 😛
No, I mean their importance in the MU
All they really do is fight people who hate mutants and mutants who hate humans or whatever
They never really even fight anyone else, and when's the last time you heard of anyone calling the xmen for help, when you have so many better choices, depending on the situation you are in
And don't even get me started on how the hell they beat Magneto...EVER!
I mean seriously, one of the most powerful earth based villans in comics gets beaten by a guy who can shoot lasers, a hairy midget with claws, some chick who can control the weather and a handicaped guy with telepathic powers?!?
I mean the only real threat to him is Jean and she's dead half the time
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Screw that. 😛 Most of the team sucks anyway. And they've lost some of their best recently. Like Gambit, who is currently a reverse albino. And the Xmen own current Apoc. They couldn't even touch Classic.
Gambit?!? 🤨
Oh noes, what will the xmen do without a cajun who can throw glowing playing cards 🙄
Ironic how the x-books have gotten a LOT better since he left, eh? 😄
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
and I give Thor his props. Part of that credit must go to Mjolnir though.
For what? Give Cap Mjolnir, and he won't be absorbing any galaxy destroying balst anytime soon.
Also, Thor's godly energies are greater and beyond all of Asgard. This is one reason he became so powerful during Ragnarok.
Originally posted by swerve1988Neither is right, but...
apoc kills thor
takes hammer as souvenier
How would he take his hammer?
He WOULD NEVER be able to lift it... ever!
Originally posted by SoujaboyActually... they did that once, and Cap one-shotted Apocalypse...
For what? Give Cap Mjolnir, and he won't be absorbing any galaxy destroying balst anytime soon.Also, Thor's godly energies are greater and beyond all of Asgard. This is one reason he became so powerful during Ragnarok.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
You shouldn't be, doing so places you on the losing end of this debate. 😬Being a team wrecker somehow means your some uber powerful character? Guess that makes Hulk, and Juggernaut two of the most powerful characters in the MU.
Thor can shrink people, increasing his size wont help in this battle.
Which means nothing. Thor's has great showings against Galactus, Stranger, Zeus, Ego, etc. However the above fights don't give him automatic wins against other characters in his league.
Thor's done better than a choke hold. He's actually physically killed Hulk while at the same time battling other hero's.
Wouldn't grabbing celestial tech be considered as outside help?
I call it the other way around.
actually, yes. the definition of team wrecker IS "hey! I'm a uber powerful character!"
Hulk is certainly one of the more powerful individuals in 616 (not counting cosmics and the like) and in his heyday, yes it did take entire teams and armies to slow him down. Juggernaut is cyttorak incarnate when he feels like concentrating. Again, Classic was a character that manhandled thor and the Xmen like they were a minor irritation.
Classic Apocalypse had total control of his entire molecular structure. that's not just size change, thats "invent any power I want, when I want, to an undetermined extent." He also has enough knowledge to grant OTHER mutants with whatever powers he sees fit. Just look at his horsemen.
Regular Thor has HUGE problems with hulk and always has. Sans Mjolnir it's usually a stalemate. How many non cosmic characters can you think of that are even capable of putting and KEEPING an angry hulk in a choke hold? It's damn few. MAYBE Juggernaut, Thor at his peak, Immortal Hercules, and the list stops there.
I thought it was King Thor/RKT that Killed the Hulk. We're not debating that version of Thor- he's clearly above apocalypse.
No, grabbing celestial tech would not be "outside help." Apocalypse makes extensive use of it, and it's been implied it was involved into changing his original body into what it is/was now. Xfactor's sentient "ship" was also celestial tech, and originally his. He uses it to create his horsemen, constantly. Apocalypse has some of the most advanced tech on the PLANET, Beyond what Reed, Doom, and Iron man currently have access to.
I'm not an apocalypse fanboy or anything, but I've been reading comics since the mid 80s- long enough to notice current apoc (and sinister also, but that's another story) has been HUGELY depowered since his debut. Properly written he gives Thor a Good workout- Thor has a lot of very good showings but he's been given problems by sheer bricks like Juggernaut, Hercules, Hulk, the Wrecker, and Absorbing Man on a regular basis. Hell, Beta Ray Bill defeated him twice BEFORE he got Stormbreaker.
Apocalypse is at least as strong if he chooses to be, and a HELL of a lot smarter than all five combined. I don't think he'll sweep Thor by any means, but I think giving the man who took over the planet (in AOA) a minor majority is reasonable.
Originally posted by swerve1988Anyway...
APOC is way stronger than thor 😆
It doesn't matter how strong you are, if you aren't worthy, you aren't picking up the hammer.
Originally posted by Space M ummyUmm... that wasn't 616 Hulk.
Regular Thor has HUGE problems with hulk and always has. Sans Mjolnir it's usually a stalemate. How many non cosmic characters can you think of that are even capable of putting and KEEPING an angry hulk in a choke hold? It's damn few. MAYBE Juggernaut, Thor at his peak, Immortal Hercules, and the list stops there.