You know what I find funny?
Just the simple fact that anytime Apoc wins, he is Classic... anytime he loses, he isn't Classic.
How long ago was his fight with the Prime Eternal?
Yet, that was "Classic" Apoc.
So, basically, everytime he wins, that it good writing, and everytime he loses, he wasn't "Classic".
Quite funny actually. I guess we only use winning examples to make a characters powers? If I brought up an example of Cable stalemating him in h2h, that wouldn't be allowed. If I brought up an example of him stalemating HE, it would be allowed.
I also find it funny, that people ALWAYS manage to add that HE had stalemated Galactus (although he did get one-shotted). If HE did stalemate Galactus, then evidently one of the two were pis, and yet, no one can see this?
Plus, I also find it funny on how people also use various healing/matter manipulation feats throughout the years, and yet, those feats cross the lines of Classic.
Take Apoc choking Hulk for example. That happened, what, a few years ago? Amost certain, that that isn't "Classic". Yet, if I were to bring a feat of him losing in the same year, someone would make a remark about him not being "Classic".
So, based on how Apocalypse threads go, all his good feats are Classic, and all his bad feats are him being depowered, or not Classic.
Classic to me, is a time where before he starts losing to everyone. Classic to everyone else, is a collection of good feats.
So basically... there is no "Classic", only really good feat Apocalypse.
Pathetic really... I mean, if you like the character, don't make up some shit Classic character, and not follow through. To me, it sounds like we are just supposed to make up some version of a character, in a certain timeline, and then just use all his good feats. If you are going to do that, then why can't I use someone beating Apocalypse?
Isn't that how characters get ruined? He had way more respect before the respect thread even.
Intriging really...
Also, good feats or not, Thor wins... I mean... "Classic Thor" wins. 🙄
When Apocalypse stops jobbing, then this arguement will cease. Until then, I can use an example that illustrates his true power. Marvel de-powered him to such an extent that he loses to people that he has either defeated, or easily demonstrated powers to overcome them. Current Apocalypse doesn't use 1/10th of his potential. When he defeats people like Ikaris, that is the true potential and power that is correctly attributed to him. Such feats, are few and far between nowadays. that is the difference. Things like the Twelve Saga, or being defeated by the Xmen blue team, or being depowered to where he has to dodge a table from Namor 🙄, or his hideous reputation on this forum.
No, I will not cease my defense of Classic Apocalypse. If this had been done to Thor, you would be doing the same. If Thor suddenly forgot or was unable to use all the powers and abilities he had, or was being defeated by people he demolished less than a decade ago, you too would claim that 'Classic' Thor would have no problems winning.
I'm done. I'm not going to bother posting in this topic for awhile. My point has been made, and it is plain to anyone willing to look past the hype and prejudice. Apocalypse has been depowered and weakened. Thus, the need for a differentiation between Classic and Current.
Take this scan for example.
Seems impossible, doesn't it, given the hype?
Apocalypse takes X-Factor, the Inhumans, (Black Bolt!) Askani/Rachael Summers, Xmen Blue team, and Charlotte Jones w/big tech gun- hitting him with everything they had to no effect, he waded through it.
Given that Black Bolt was able to kill an alternate Apocalypse in HoM, when a decade earlier, he couldn't even scratch Apoc, it's plain to see something is amiss. the point is made, whether you chose to accept it or not, is your own problem. Read the respect thread, then tell me whether or not Apocalypse is truly using all his power and potential nowadays. The answer is of course, obvious.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
When Apocalypse stops jobbing, then this arguement will cease. Until then, I can use an example that illustrates his true power. Marvel de-powered him to such an extent that he loses to people that he has either defeated, or easily demonstrated powers to overcome them. Current Apocalypse doesn't use 1/10th of his potential. When he defeats people like Ikaris, that is the true potential and power that is correctly attributed to him. Such feats, are few and far between nowadays. that is the difference. Things like the Twelve Saga, or being defeated by the Xmen blue team, or being depowered to where he has to dodge a table from Namor 🙄, or his hideous reputation on this forum.No, I will not cease my defense of Classic Apocalypse. If this had been done to Thor, you would be doing the same. If Thor suddenly forgot or was unable to use all the powers and abilities he had, or was being defeated by people he demolished less than a decade ago, you too would claim that 'Classic' Thor would have no problems winning.
I'm done. I'm not going to bother posting in this topic for awhile. My point has been made, and it is plain to anyone willing to look past the hype and prejudice. Apocalypse has been depowered and weakened. Thus, the need for a differentiation between Classic and Current.
Take this scan for example.
Seems impossible, doesn't it, given the hype?
Apocalypse takes X-Factor, the Inhumans, (Black Bolt!) Askani/Rachael Summers, Xmen Blue team, and Charlotte Jones w/big tech gun- hitting him with everything they had to no effect, he waded through it.Given that Black Bolt was able to kill an alternate Apocalypse in HoM, when a decade earlier, he couldn't even scratch Apoc, it's plain to see something is amiss. the point is made, whether you chose to accept it or not, is your own problem. Read the respect thread, then tell me whether or not Apocalypse is truly using all his power and potential nowadays. The answer is of course, obvious.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest😆 😆 😆
When Apocalypse stops jobbing, then this arguement will cease. Until then, I can use an example that illustrates his true power. Marvel de-powered him to such an extent that he loses to people that he has either defeated, or easily demonstrated powers to overcome them. Current Apocalypse doesn't use 1/10th of his potential. When he defeats people like Ikaris, that is the true potential and power that is correctly attributed to him.
Also, has Apocalypse jobbed, more that he has won?
Originally posted by TricksterPriestThor isn't even favorite character, but even then, he has about 700 (his own) comics from him to call "Classic", and if he did start to do what you said, then there would be an explanation.
No, I will not cease my defense of Classic Apocalypse. If this had been done to Thor, you would be doing the same. If Thor suddenly forgot or was unable to use all the powers and abilities he had, or was being defeated by people he demolished less than a decade ago, you too would claim that 'Classic' Thor would have no problems winning.
Apoc's explanation, is that, people don't want to accept that he is what he is.
The Ikaris feat, is passed off as Classic Apoc, the Loki feat, is passed off as Classic, and yet, they aren't, they are just higher showings.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestAnd, when was this stated?
I'm done. I'm not going to bother posting in this topic for awhile. My point has been made, and it is plain to anyone willing to look past the hype and prejudice. Apocalypse has been depowered and weakened. Thus, the need for a differentiation between Classic and Current.
My point was, that if you are going to use some current feats, then don't block out feats from the same timeline.
He is Apocalypse, there was no Apocalypse crisis that I am aware of.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestYou ever think of pis?
Take this scan for example.Seems impossible, doesn't it, given the hype?
Apocalypse takes X-Factor, the Inhumans, (Black Bolt!) Askani/Rachael Summers, Xmen Blue team, and Charlotte Jones w/big tech gun- hitting him with everything they had to no effect, he waded through it.
Anytime anyone from Marvel Earth takes Blackbolt's scream, then there is obviously something... wrong.
You think any Apocalypse is more durible than Surfer? Surfer was put on his knees from a whisper, and yet, you think "Classic" Apocalypse can take a full on scream with no damage?
It seems that any high end feat from Apoc is also acceptable no matter how stupid it sounds.
Also, what issue was that scan from?
Originally posted by TricksterPriestUmm... when in one showing he has no effect on him, and in the next, he disintegrates him with a whisper... then obviously one or the other is wrong.
Given that Black Bolt was able to kill an alternate Apocalypse in HoM, when a decade earlier, he couldn't even scratch Apoc, it's plain to see something is amiss. the point is made, whether you chose to accept it or not, is your own problem. Read the respect thread, then tell me whether or not Apocalypse is truly using all his power and potential nowadays. The answer is of course, obvious.
Thus why, I think neither should be acceptable. It completely contridicts each other.
Originally posted by bigbran
You think any Apocalypse is more durible than Surfer? Surfer was put on his knees from a whisper, and yet, you think "Classic" Apocalypse can take a full on scream with no damage?
Apocalypse was already capable of withstanding a big force blast from the High Evolutionary, while at the same time being blasted out of his space station.
Originally posted by bigbran
And, when was this stated?My point was, that if you are going to use some current feats, then don't block out feats from the same timeline.
He is Apocalypse, there was no Apocalypse crisis that I am aware of.
Originally posted by bigbran
Also, what issue was that scan from?
X-Factor #68.
That's when Apocalypse's original body was destroyed, and he's been using substitutes ever since then. Because of this, Apocalypse's power fluctuates and most of his bodies can't withstand his energy and abilities. Whichs explains why he's weaker now than he was in the past. Hence, the usage of the term 'Classic Apocalypse'.
Originally posted by bigbran
Umm... when in one showing he has no effect on him, and in the next, he disintegrates him with a whisper... then obviously one or the other is wrong.
Two completely different showings, an neither really shows anything.
If you take that showing, then what is to stop me from using the HOM showing?
I can't use Black Bolt beating Apoc, but you can use him doing nothing?Thus why, I think neither should be acceptable. It completely contridicts each other.
HoM is an altered reality, created by Wanda. 😕
It doesn't count.