Originally posted by 2damnloud
LMAO@ your CONJECTURE.Since she couldn't calm the Hurricane AFTER her state of mind changed means she wasn't on the kind of power as Pheonix????
Notice he says "she's not "CRAZY" anymore......"
Since she comes back to herself that means her MENTAL state, which is one of the basis for her control of the weather has changed to normal Storm who respects the laws of nature and doesn't run roughshod over them therefore it is harder for her to disperse storms.
He said it was better for her that way anyway. If Doom would've helped her, it wouldn't have been that heroic on HER part.
Heroism and STRUGGLE are almost mutually exclusive.
He said she was "not strong enough" and if you bothered to read the first scan you'll see that the Phoenix/Jean was brought down to Storms level for that period in time not the other way round.
BTW He said he had to re-invent Magneto in order to be a credible villian to the X-Men. Apparently now Claremont thinks Magneto is a credible foe for the X-Men.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakIn his version of the story Storm was unable to calm the hurricane, therefore suggesting her powerlevels are on par with Dark Phoenix is absurd. The only reason the story was changed was because they ran out of space.
Nevertheless they changed it so she eventually calmed it(Considering that's her power it's not that great a feat) but from this interview it is clear that Claremont had/has no intention of making a parallel in terms of Power between Roguestorm and Dark Phoenix. The only parallel made was the path both characters took.[/center]
My, my, my, desperate again. At the time she was trying to calm the hurricane, she had turned down ultimate power. According to the Official Handbook that came out this semester, she evolved in Uncanny 147. So what we saw was a normal, unevolved Ororo trying to calm a storm that her evolved self created. Also, when she was calming the storm, she was using restraint. She said that she must work gently with the forces of nature instead of riding roughshod over them. Rougestorm rode roughshod over them as she did not care for the consequences. Punk Storm had less restraint than she had previously. It is for this reason she was able to conjure that powerful storm underground in Uncanny 175 against Mastermind and it not exhaust her. She said that at one time it would have. This is because she was more cautious with her powers and more restrained by choice. Got it? Good. 😉
In regards to Magneto being made into a credible villain, one has to keep in mind that Storm was still restrained by morality and compassion in those fights and still she nearly killed him twice. The fact that Magneto was boosted like this to fight the X-Men and Storm still was able to overpower him speaks volumes for her and takes away from your case. I thank you very much for posting this, Exodus Cloak. 😉
Originally posted by Rutog98
My, my, my, desperate again. At the time she was trying to calm the hurricane, she had turned down ultimate power. According to the Official Handbook that came out this semester, she evolved in Uncanny 147. So what we saw was a normal, unevolved Ororo trying to calm a storm that her evolved self created. Got it? Good. 😉
Nope she gives up the power after she calms the storm.
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/879/shape8rt.jpg
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/3208/understand3ft.jpg
Roguestorm is her crazy personality.
And you're taking the point out of context. That is the way the story was meant to go...that's how Claremont potrayed it...they just happened to run out of space. This link to the Phoenix is your own speculation and holds no grounds in a debate.
And Magneto has almost killed her with her own lightning none the less and managed to capture her and the rest of the team.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Nope she gives up the power after she calms the storm.http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/879/shape8rt.jpg
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/3208/understand3ft.jpg
I like how she even comments on how much easier it would be for Thor 😆
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Nope she gives up the power after she calms the storm.
Did you read this very well:
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/3208/understand3ft.jpg
She is at WAR within herself as she is trying to disperse this storm. It states very plainly here that Storm now finally realizes what Jean felt as Phoenix. They were both tempted by ultimate power. Look, you cannot win this. You are trying your darndest to twist what is very plainly written. Storm has potential on a par with Dark Phoenix.
Why don't you post the scan right after this one where is says that she finally triumps over the storm, but more importantly, over the dark side of her soul.
You cannot win this.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Did you read this very well:http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/3208/understand3ft.jpg[/center]
She is at WAR within herself as she is trying to disperse this storm. It states very plainly here that Storm now finally realizes what Jean felt as Phoenix. They were both tempted by ultimate power. Look, you cannot win this. You are trying your darndest to twist what is very plainly written. Storm has potential on a par with Dark Phoenix.
Its says she understands how Jean felt not that she was being tempted with the same kind of power.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I like how she even comments on how much easier it would be for Thor 😆
It would be easier for Thor because he has a hammer that does all the work. Here, Storm does all the work herself and she chooses to be gentle. Claremont even explained on a board a few years ago that Thor just has to tap his hammer the prerequisite time (his words) while Storm is herself doing the work. He further stated that Storm can create storms every bit as powerful as Thor's.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Did you read this very well:http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/3208/understand3ft.jpg[/center]
She is at WAR within herself as she is trying to disperse this storm. It states very plainly here that Storm now finally realizes what Jean felt as Phoenix. They were both tempted by ultimate power. Look, you cannot win this. You are trying your darndest to twist what is very plainly written. Storm has potential on a par with Dark Phoenix.
Wrong read Claremonts interview...Storm is no where near the power levels of what we know as the Phoenix. She was struggling with her inner demons just like Jean Grey that is the parallel.
Originally posted by Rutog98
It would be easier for Thor because he has a hammer that does all the work. Here, Storm does all the work herself and she chooses to be gentle.
Thor has stated that even Mjolnir is just a hammer (admittedly an enchated one) and the true power comes from him in the end.
And she's trying to manipulate the storm because she CANNOT overpower it.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Why don't you post the scan right after this one where is says that she finally triumps over the storm, but more importantly, over the dark side of her soul.You cannot win this.
I think I will to highlight my point about the inner demons.
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4412/triumphsoverthestorm0po.jpg
Believe I don't need to... this debate was settled months ago. I'm only posting scans for other users to make up their minds.
As far as I'm concerned I'm happy that you're able to to find comfort in that little thing you call a world.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Wrong read Claremonts interview...Storm is no where near the power levels of what we know as the Phoenix. She was struggling with her inner demons just like Jean Grey that is the parallel.
The parallel is that both were tempted by ultimate power. She struggled with hers, Jean did at first, but it overtook her. Dark Phoenix did not struggle with her inner demons but she embraced them. Rougestorm embraced them as well until Colossus brought Storm back to her senses. She then wrestled with her inner demons, something DP did not do.
Originally posted by Rutog98
The parallel is that both were tempted by ultimate power. She struggled with hers, Jean did at first, but it overtook her. Dark Phoenix did not struggle with her inner demons but she embraced them. Rougestorm embraced them as well until Colossus brought Storm back to her senses. She then wrestled with her inner demons, something DP did not do.
According to Claremont that's not how he intended the arc to be interpreted. Since originally she wasn't supposed to be strong enough to calm the hurricane. The issue was only changed because they ran out of space.
Both fell into a dark place and both struggled to fight off their inner demons. Storm over came her own demons.
Comparing Storm to Phoenix and RogueStorm to Dark Phoenix in terms of power levels is your own speculation. And in that scan on the previous page Claremont makes it clear that Storm and what we know as the Phoenix are not equal in terms of power.
BTW When Jean suppressed the Dark Phoenix long enough for the X-Men to kill her, that was the struggle.
Anyway it's clear as day that Storms power levels do not equal the Phoenix's...and I have proof on the previous page. And my interview is newer then your so called interview. So the only thing that's left is for you to either embrace it or you ignore it...either way...it doesn't bother me.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You don't know that.If I offered an ant the chance to be 3 feet tall it would think it was getting ultimate power too. Temptation has nothing to do with fact.
:yawn:
Notice that she has near-infinite power as Rougestorm. Dark Phoenix also had near-infinite power. Both had ultimate power in their grasp. DP embraced it and strove for it, but was stopped before she achieved it. Ororo reigned in her emotions.
Originally posted by Rutog98
:yawn:Notice that she has near-infinite power as Rougestorm. Dark Phoenix also had near-infinite power. Both had ultimate power in their grasp. DP embraced it and strove for it, but was stopped before she achieved it. Ororo reigned in her emotions.
Narrators are notoriously unrealiable in comics.
None the less I see your point. So with everymental block destroyed she gets hella powerful.
Are the mental blocks still gone?
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
According to Claremont that's not how he intended the comment to be interpreted. Since originally she wasn't supposed to be strong enough to calm the hurricane. The issue was only changed because they ran out of space.
Both fell into a dark place and both struggled to fight off their inner demons. Storm over came her own demons.
Comparing Storm to Phoenix and RogueStorm to Dark Phoenix in terms of power levels is your own speculation. And in that scan on the previous page Claremont makes it clear that Storm and what we know as the Phoenix are not equal in terms of power.BTW When Jean suppressed the Dark Phoenix long enough for the X-Men to kill her, that was the struggle.
Your interpretation is incorrect of what CC stated. Jean's compassion is what held Phoenix's powers in check. Hence, while that was in place, she was overpowered by characters like Proteus and Magneto. When DP devoured the star, etc, Jean's restraint was nowhere to be seen to restrain the powers. Ororo's morality and compassion is also what keeps her powers in check. When she tried to calm that storm, the things that kept her powers in check were certainly coming into play.
