Originally posted by jasofisc
thank you for the scans it really helps with your points.
Still Storm gets owned all the time by people much much much less powerful then mags. In the x-tream x-men arc right before the one you stated she was getting owned all the time by just people in high tech suits (no where near ironman level) and so so many other times , there was one time Sauron (how ever that stupid pteradactle thing is spelled) shot her with just a normal gun. Like from a distance right in front of her.
That does not make those instances with those people beating her definitive. Its a lot of PIS. Given the character's personality and power, she was simply too powerful the be an X-Man. She far outpowered the villains and to make it worse, had a half-dozen or more other X-Men alongside on her on the team. It made the fights and threats unrealistic. There is no way Magneto should be able to take on a lineup with Storm on it. She is more powerful than he by herself.
Originally posted by inamilist
Another question is: Can you find 3 other places where Storm has "shifted" into the energy world?
Easily. Give me a few seconds...
Channeling a storm/blizzard(originally conjured by Shaman) that spans the American continent through her body to calm it, also from #121:
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And for the third one, there was that other one I posted below your question on this thread.
Originally posted by Rutog98
No. From the get go we saw the character command the solar wind, there was that 1979 interview with Chris Claremont that put her on the level of the Phoenix Force, etc.
Clearly he doesn't mean she was to be on par with what the Phoenix Force evolved into some 20 years after the comment was made.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Wasn't Phoenix revealed to be a force in the mid 80's? So Claremont was saying he wanted Storm at Jean's level before it was retconned that Jean in that time period was the Phoenix Force? Makes a fair amount of sense. Was Jean in the herald/thor range that people put her codename Phoenix stages at?Clearly he doesn't mean she was to be on par with what the Phoenix Force evolved into some 20 years after the comment was made.
Prior to the retcon, Jean as Phoenix had the potential to surpass all of the cosmics. The Watcher waid this in Dark Phoenix Saga.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Prior to the retcon, Jean as Phoenix had the potential to surpass all of the cosmics. The Watcher waid this in Dark Phoenix Saga.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
That was a year after his comment. And that's Phoenix's potential. The comment you keep mentioning talks about Claremont intending Storm to be at pre-retcon Phoenix's level, but says nothing about having the same potential.
Originally posted by Rutog98
it was 1979 from Rampage Magazine(UK)The interviewer (someone called Richard Burton, I'll abbreviate it to RB) is asking Chris various questions, working through the characters...
"RB: Storm next...
Chris Claremont: Storm is basically what she is...a goddess, a three-dimensional goddess, if such a thing is possible.
RB: When the new X-Men first appeared Storm was probably the most powerful and dramatic member. Do you feel now that she's been slightly upstaged by Phoenix?
Chris Claremont: No. In equal terms of raw power, they're approximately equal.
Jean can maintain a higher burst...she can peak higher than Storm but she can't hold it for long. The thing with Storm is that all we've done till now is show her throwing lightning bolts and creating hurricanes, but she can do far more. Phoenix is more visual - the 'bird effect' is more spectacular. So the gist of it is that they complement each other. They do different things in different ways."
Okay, there is the interview. Now, here is Uncanny 145-147: (The cover of 147 stated "We did it once, dare we do it again," in allusion to the Dark Phoenix Saga.)
As stated in that interview, Storm's powers are equal to Phoenix. However, at that time, Phoenix's powers were tempered by Jean's humanity. Same holds true for Ororo. Her powers are tempered by her humanity. In the case of Phoenix, when Jean's humanity was removed, nothing was there to restrain the power and DP was born. It had near-infinite power, but kept growing and reaching for ultimate power. However, it was stopped before that. DP stated that she had limits still and did not like this. This was before she consumed the star. However, the Watcher let us know that DP could have attained ultimate power and been second only to the Creator had she kept going and not been stopped.
In the case of Storm, when her humanity was stripped, she also had near-infinite power and was reaching for ultimate power. It was in her grasp. However, she brought herself under control rather than continuining down that mad god road of the DP. Both had the potential to grasp ultimate power in their reach. Storm simply refused it while Phoenix was stopped before she reached it.
If Storm were to let go of her blocks and delve into her powers and kept reaching for the higher power levels, she would reach ultimate and unlimited power.
We know in Uncanny 165-166 that Storm can perceive the universe as patterns of energy and forces and bend it to its will. This includes stars, planets, empty space, etc.
Right now, Storm has the power of a goddess, but she is limited to her flesh and blood body. However, as stated in X-Treme issue 5, she will one day transcend humanity and evolve into a true goddess.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I see. So I was right except for the potential part and that's his personal agenda that was never set into motion.
What we do get from the potential part is that she is potentially one of the most powerful beings in creation as she had in her grasp the same ultimate power that tempted Dark Phoenix to ultimate heights.
Originally posted by Rutog98Hulk is potentially the strongest being in existence. 🙄
What we do get from the potential part is that she is potentially one of the most powerful beings in creation as she had in her grasp the same ultimate power that tempted Dark Phoenix to ultimate heights.
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1.) According to this:
Phoenix Jean originally wasn't meant to be cosmic level, it's actually the other way round..she was intially meant to be on Storms level and the Neutron Galaxy thing was a once off feat which was only made possible due to unique circumstances. i.e. With the help of the other X-Men and being inside the M'Kraan Crystal.
Therefore Storm was never supposed to be on the power level of todays Phoenix the Phoenix was supposed to be brought down to the power level of Storm.
2.) Magneto is a credible villian capable of beating the entire X-Men team according to Claremont.
3.) The actual Roguestorm story courtesy of Claremont:
In his version of the story Storm was unable to calm the hurricane, therefore suggesting her powerlevels are on par with Dark Phoenix is absurd. The only reason the story was changed was because they ran out of space.
Nevertheless they changed it so she eventually calmed it(Considering that's her power it's not that great a feat) but from this interview it is clear that Claremont had/has no intention of making a parallel in terms of Power between Roguestorm and Dark Phoenix. The only parallel made was the path both characters took.
what do people base their absurd belief that Storm > Magneto on?
virtually every encounter has gone Magneto's way. he's been charitable, he has often (many, many times) had the luxury of deciding over her life, in these confrontations.
he has held her against her will, with merely a whim, a fraction of a fraction of his incomparable powers.
she gets a stroke trying to shift around weather. he changes humanbeings into mutants, causes EMP events, moves planets... it's literally a spite thread (she's that much inferior to him).
Magneto 10/10
LMAO@ your CONJECTURE.
Since she couldn't calm the Hurricane AFTER her state of mind changed means she wasn't on the kind of power as Pheonix????
Notice he says "she's not "CRAZY" anymore......"
Since she comes back to herself that means her MENTAL state, which is one of the basis for her control of the weather has changed to normal Storm who respects the laws of nature and doesn't run roughshod over them therefore it is harder for her to disperse storms.
He said it was better for her that way anyway. If Doom would've helped her, it wouldn't have been that heroic on HER part.
Heroism and STRUGGLE are almost mutually exclusive.
The Mageneto thing further goes wit whats been said.--He gets written up for the sake of the X-men having a hard villain to fight.
Going by that logic, it nakes Storm look MORE powerful since SHE almost KILLED the guy TWICE.
It shows capability.
Of course Magneto prevailed, it STILL doesn't negate Storm's capability to MURDER him.........and of course vice versa....................MAYBE😆
