Keep dreaming guys. 😂
There was no way we were going to give our franchise player for Jordan Farmar and a bunch of no named expiring contracts. Laker fans need to understand that trades consist of BOTH sides sacrificing what they have for something else. It's not "you give us nothing, and we give you something." You have to be willing to give up something of value in order to get something of value in return. We weren't just going to give you Kidd, that's being greedy.
I know that Kidd is getting old, but it really depends on whether you want to win the championship now or in the distant future. Hearing so many people say, "Oh, once we get Kidd, we can step it up to the next level and go for the title," I assumed that Kidd's age wouldn't be that much of a factor, seeing that many people thought the Lakers would be contenders right away. That's why he so valuable, because this is in fact his best season.
If you were considering the Lakers winning it in the distant future (assuming that the Lakers' nucleus remains until then), then I can understand Kidd's age would be a concern. But frankly, that's a risk you guys have to be willing to take in order to nab Kidd from us. Because we have had our share of problems this year, and Kidd has been the only consistant player keeping our heads above water. So, if we were to trade him, we'd better get something good in return. And I understand that Bynum is young and has a bright future, but no way were we giving away Kidd for what the Lakers offered, not a chance.
Originally posted by Myth
It was only 54 wins and they only made it to the Conference Finals because the playoff brackets were messed up." Look at it this way, the Suns offense is built around Nash. The way they run it is all for Nash. As Recs said he is the engine but that is because their style of play. If Nash wasn't on the Suns and they played a regular offense then they would be successful. But even when he is out they still try that run n gun offense which Barbosa can't run by himself. He could probably run a regular offense with the amount of talent that is on that team."
Only 54 wins? Thats still alot of wins, espicially considering how Nash, and the Suns were suppose to tank w/o Amare. There;s always something, When Nash was in Dallas he was succesful because of Dirk, and Finley, his 1st year in Phoenix it was because of Amare, his 2nd year he was succesfull because of messed up brackets?
All offensives are built around the teams most valuable player. Lakers offense is built around Kobe, Nets around Kidd, Mavs around Dirk, S.A around Duncan, an so forth. When Nash was out they didnt run a "run n gun offense" they had a half court offense centered on the talent(Amare, Marion), and they still stuggled.
Originally posted by Myth
On top of that, they blamed all of the recent losses on the fact that Nash was out. Well, you have to remember that the Suns only use a 7 man rotation for the most part. So minus Nash and Diaw, and you only have 5 guys who are used to actually getting legit playing time. Of course they will lose. That is a flaw on D'Antoni's part, not a sign that Nash deserves MVP.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure its an 8 man rotation. The suns have some proven veterans on there bench, its not like these are rookies that never seen a game before. Plus, when you don't have your playmaker making plays or setting up teammates, I dont care if you have a 12 man rotation, you're still going to struggle. Whether you like it or not, Steve Nash is what makes the Phoenix Suns so good.
An 8 man rotation is still not good, especially when 2 guys go down. Any team with a small rotation that loses any guy and has to put in their scrubs as replacements is going to struggle. I agree Nash is the best PG in the league right now, and that he is the main piece to Phoenix playing the way they do, but I still don't think he should have won MVP the past 2 years or this year.
The most irritating thing is that the team doesn't get enough acknowledgment and its all "Nash makes the team win... Nash makes the team win....". The other night I was watching sportscenter and the Suns played the Hawks. Suns won (barely) while before the all-star game the Suns barely lost to Atlanta without Nash. Now here is the kicker, Nash scores 14 points and has 13 rebounds while Amare had 43 points, 16 rebounds, 6 assists, and 3 blocks. What does ESPN talk about? Nash. The credit went to Nash and it was sort of like, "Oh yeah, and that Amare guy was ok too." I know that not everybody does that, but some people contribute every victory to Nash no matter what actually happens in the game.
But some of them aren't scrubs, I wouldn't call Jalen Rose a scrub just because Antoine isn't playing him.
Valid Point, but you could say that with just about any team. How many times do you hear about Howard Terry, or Stackhouse when they put up a great games in Dallas, its always Dirk this, and Dirk that. Kapono was huge in Miami the other night, and had a double double, but who did they talk about, Shaq's double double(even though Kapono's was way more significant) and Wade's injury. In the beginning of the year when the Lakers where winning games w/o Kobe who did they always bring up during highlights, Kobe.
Originally posted by wuTa
How many times do you hear about Howard Terry, or Stackhouse when they put up a great games in Dallas, its always Dirk this, and Dirk that.
And valid point to you, but its not like Howard ever has a 43, 16, 6, and 3 game either. If anything, Howard's good games are only equal to Dirk and a given day, but Amare can play out of his mind and have the credit be given to Nash.
If the team won without Nash, Amare would get much more credit. I'm not saying its fair, but people judge you more off winning than by your numbers. If Amare puts up those kinda a numbers come playoff team, he'll get much more credit because of the people watching, and the significance of the games. When someone has a great game against the hawks its like that question, when a tree falls in the woods does anyone hear it?
Originally posted by wuTa
If the team won without Nash, Amare would get much more credit. I'm not saying its fair, but people judge you more off winning than by your numbers. If Amare puts up those kinda a numbers come playoff team, he'll get much more credit because of the people watching, and the significance of the games. When someone has a great game against the hawks its like that question, when a tree falls in the woods does anyone hear it?
Still, the point is that Amare was the MVP of that game and Nash still got the credit.
Btw, thats not how that saying goes. 😉