Spiderman versus Sabretooth

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I was under the assumption that the stingers are magical in nature, seeming to be the only things that could actually stop Morlun. Nothing else Spidey threw at him was causing him any damage at all. Even things that would bruise or cut even superpowered foes did nothing to Morlun.

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You can see even a large slab of concrete didn't even phase him. Not even a scratch on his skin. And yet, Sabretooth would slice right through him? Yea, sure.

Therefore, it wasn't JUST stingers. 🙄

Of course, there's always the giant speed advantage Morlun has as well.

Like you said, that's nothing more than an assumption.. let me see if I can't break it down for you... the displays of durability there.. yeah they've got NOTHIN on what sinister's superman was shown to be taking.
Explosives, lazers, Sentinal shots, rockets, electric currents... basically... the woiks.

What happened when he tried to h2h with creed?
Creed turned him into a bunch of mangled red stuff on the ground... 😬

None of what spiderman did to morlun would do anything to characters like hulk or wendigo either... does that mean you think sabretooth wouldn't cut them? I certainly hope not.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Oh and that SS fight that happened.

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That's your evidence that logan's lost to SS?

I thought you were talking about a fight that wasn't skewed... guess I shoulda known better.

Dude, okay first off we got the fact that wolverine's using ONE firggin eye, then we got the fact that he not only had to hide his fighting styl so no one would catch on to him being wolverine, but ALSO conceal his claws.. you know.. the number one offensive advantage in any h2h fight that he brings to the table.
Even in that damn fight logan states he could take SS down quickly and easily if he wanted.

Not to mention the fact that one questions if that's even considered a win... 😬
You know, since wolverine got right back up and thrashed the demon enhanced spiderwoman when SS couldn't.

Originally posted by Soljer
Whether Sabretooth is ten tons or thirty....

Will someone explain this to me:
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6601/wolverinev21804nj4.jpg

sure...
RUCKA

nuff said...

the guy (while his stories may have beeen interesting) had a notoriously ridiculous amount of contradictions in his own story archs and worse, had next to no character research when he wrote that story.

For instance, Wolverine's shown shot and plastered by multiple gunmen but a couple of stun guns takes him down.

Sabretooth admits that wolverine's superior to himself in fighting and tracking...
later sabretooth tracks the native when logan can't.. and then soundly whomps him in a fight. Which makes one question why he (sabes) even bothered bringing logan into the story.

Oh yeah here's why:
Sabretooth can't even see the native's movements the first time they fight eachother and she badly beats the crap out of him....
except that:
At the end of the arch he viciously kills her AFTER curbing wolverine into the ground.

And then we've got the fact that wolverine nonchalantly puts his admantium claws through Sabretooth's ADAMNTIUM skull...

wtf?

Oh that's right, rucka didn't even know sabretooth HAD admantium at the time he wrote this story...

even though it was stated in new x-men, x-men unlimited, Sabretooth; mary shelly overdrive, the weapon x series, and finally previously stated displayed and EMPHASISED in wolverine's own damned series for several entire story archs. 😬

I mean seriously.. Sabretooth's inability to toss that car off himself doesn't even stand out as one of the bad parts of his inconsistancies in his wolverine run.
On the other hand in Sabretooth: death hunt 2, Creed effortlessly and single handedly backhands a car that's speeding towards him, the force of the hit sends the car veering off to the side on two wheels.... but he can't lift a jeep?
In uncanny X-men 213, Creed effortlessly crushes a barbell into a metal deathball, he effortlessly uses himself like an inhuman battering ram smashing his way through the mansion and he uppercuts logan 3 friggin stories into the air, but he can't budge a jeep?
In Sabretooth/Mystique part 4 sabes uses one hand to pick up and hold up a fairly large and thick security bay door, but he can't move a jeep?
In Sabretooth: Death Hunt 1, he uses one nonchalant back hand to send a dozen ninjas airborn by 15 to 20 feet but he can't budge a jeep?
In mary shelly overdrive 1 creed tears up a huge generator out of the rooftop of an apartment building (easily the size of a jeep if not bigger) and uses it to bat away two supersoldiers....but he can't lift a jeep?
Meh, i think you understand where I'm getting at....

you want your answer... look no further than the man who wrote it.

Originally posted by blind faith
Just to be correct, Venom almost won in "Tooth And Claw", Logan slashed him in the face with his claws and it didn't prevent Venom from almost lobotomizing him until they got interrupted.

But yeah in other fights Wolvie has been having the upper hand, even though the fights don't seem to last very long.

Actually I just looked back through that issue.. I'm not even sure if you can consider that as an advantage for venom.. since...

it doesn't appear as though that was a real fight.. it looks like it was nothing more than a ruse to catch Chimera and her cronies off guard. 😬

Originally posted by Soljer
BUMP!

Just because I still want someone to explain to me why someone who is class 10-30 couldn't lift/roll/move a car off their back.

Spidey could have lifted that thing with one hand, 😬.

So could sabretooth.. you know.. if someone didn't forget or ignore 90% of the character's career....

Meh, all will become clear....

in my time scanning for the revamped wolie respeck thread I've also decided to make a new and imporved Sabretooth one the only problem is that I can only scan 4 or 6 pics at a time before my scanner starts scanning images in inverted colors.. which is kinda wierd but whateva....

cheers.

Originally posted by jinzin
That's your evidence that logan's lost to SS?

I thought you were talking about a fight that wasn't skewed... guess I shoulda known better.

Dude, okay first off we got the fact that wolverine's using ONE firggin eye, then we got the fact that he not only had to hide his fighting styl so no one would catch on to him being wolverine, but ALSO conceal his claws.. you know.. the number one offensive advantage in any h2h fight that he brings to the table.
Even in that damn fight logan states he could take SS down quickly and easily if he wanted.

Not to mention the fact that one questions if that's even considered a win... 😬
You know, since wolverine got right back up and thrashed the demon enhanced spiderwoman when SS couldn't.

You asked where and I showed it to you. *shrugs*

But back on topic. 😉 MMX already brought a skilled fighter into play too.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But you asked if it happened and I showed it to you, he chose how well he wanted to fight. That makes your fights against Spiderman not as valid because he has "held back" or, "not used his webbing".

In a large number of those fights he did use webbing.. 😕

His holding back is an habitual character trait not a circumstantial incident like logan's was.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You asked where and I showed it to you. *shrugs*

But back on topic. 😉 MMX already brought a skilled fighter into play too.

Still the way you brought it up as a point against wolverine made it seem like it was actually a fair fight..

And what are you reffering to in reference to MMX?

Originally posted by jinzin
In a large number of those fights he did use webbing.. 😕

His holding back is an habitual character trait not a circumstantial incident like logan's was.

Still the way you brought it up as a point against wolverine made it seem like it was actually a fair fight..

And what are you reffering to in reference to MMX?

Spiderman doesn't use his webbing, strength, or anything to the max, he usually thinks (I'd better go easy on him, he's a hero, or a person imitating logan, or... this is a training session).

God what am I doing!!!! *slaps face* doh
Well Spiderman's on topic.

But I'm just saying that's how it is when you guys do it... which is why I hate these kinda arguments in general, one side shows high and low, the other denies it and vice versa. 😬

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spiderman doesn't use his webbing, strength, or anything to the max, he usually thinks (I'd better go easy on him, he's a hero, or a person imitating logan, or... this is a training session).

Oh so you're back to direct confrontations.. I thought you meant his fights with streeters in general.

Concerning wolverine.
Wolvie holds back just as much if not more than spiderman does.. at least we've seen an all out spidey vs. wolverine before.. it's never been the other way around.

Wolverine: "I don't want to hurt you"
or back handing spiderman or punching him without claws...

There's no indication that spiderman was holding back any more than usual for his "training session"...
it was a sparring session and everyone was using their powers.

And the rooftop thing.. ummm yeah "watch it peter" only came AFTER logan dodged his initial attacks which were turning brick walls into debris and putting dents in metal.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But I'm just saying that's how it is when you guys do it... which is why I hate these kinda arguments in general, one side shows high and low, the other denies it and vice versa. 😬

that's not how it is though. 😕

Spiderman if he does hold back does so habitually as part of his CIS... which isn't exempt here on the forums...
Wolverine holds back circumstantially when he has to or wants to.. he's not limited by a factor like the CIS rule.
So bringing up streeters beating on spidey on any one of a number of occasions isn't the same as bringing up SS beating on a holding back wolvie.

Originally posted by jinzin
Oh so you're back to direct confrontations.. I thought you meant his fights with streeters in general.

Concerning wolverine.
Wolvie holds back just as much if not more than spiderman does.. at least we've seen an all out spidey vs. wolverine before.. it's never been the other way around.

Wolverine: "I don't want to hurt you"
or back handing spiderman or punching him without claws...

There's no indication that spiderman was holding back any more than usual for his "training session"...
it was a sparring session and everyone was using their powers.

And the rooftop thing.. ummm yeah "watch it peter" only came AFTER logan dodged his initial attacks which were turning brick walls into debris and putting dents in metal.

that's not how it is though. 😕

Spiderman if he does hold back does so habitually as part of his CIS... which isn't exempt here on the forums...
Wolverine holds back circumstantially when he has to or wants to.. he's not limited by a factor like the CIS rule.
So bringing up streeters beating on spidey on any one of a number of occasions isn't the same as bringing up SS beating on a holding back wolvie.

I'm sure there are several times DD, Cap, etc. Taking it to Wolverine, my point is that the other side doesn't like it so excuses are brought up. Simple really.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So how can Spiderman not hold back more, when he has alot more to hold back? Wolverine doen't hold back as much because he has no quams about killing.

Spiderman's strength and webbing are decent advantages but they're not one hit killers in comparison with logan...

logan's got one hit killers.. he holds them back.. he's got the whole rage thing too. holds that back as well...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm sure there are several times DD, Cap, etc. Taking it to Wolverine, my point is that the other side doesn't like it so excuses are brought up. Simple really.

Originally posted by jinzin
that's faulty logic..

Spiderman's strength and webbing are decent advantages but they're not one hit killers in comparison with logan...

logan's got one hit killers.. he holds them back.. he's got the whole rage thing too. holds that back as well...

The reason why these reasons.. not excuses.. but reasons... are brought up is because 95% of the time logan is shown to be inferior to someone or whatnot it either isn't a fight or it's skewed, and littered with circumstance.

So basically it works for you but not for someone else. 🙂 There's no need to go in circles anymore, again, my point was made.

Your not having it today are you C? Its War!!!! 😆

I actually feel I'm being peaceful, but no matter what it's always the same thing: Tons of insults my way, and if I decide to do the same thing it's so bad. 😆

Originally posted by jinzin

The reason why these reasons.. not excuses.. but reasons... are brought up is because 95% of the time logan is shown to be inferior to someone or whatnot it either isn't a fight or it's skewed, and littered with circumstance.

No that sounds like excuses.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No that's faulty logic. Spiderman's abilities work in several more situations than claws do. Logan needs that good hit, his rage and claws have been overcome. You already agreed that holding back was part of his character anyways.

So basically it works for you but not for someone else. 🙂 There's no need to go in circles anymore, again, my point was made.

No...Your point hasn't been made.. Spiderman has in no way "more" to hold back than logan...

it's all about how affective something is...

If someone has a number of guns strapped to them and they hold them back are they holding back more than logan does because they work in more situations than do logan's claws?

NO....

consider characters like hulk, or thing.. bullets may as well be feathers.. but logan's claws are going to be affective...

You can't dictate that spiderman has more to hold back than does wolverine just due to range or whatever other made up reasons you think you have.

In that same notion "spiderman needs a good hit" His strength and webs have been overcome as well..

And I have no idea what that last comment is even supposed to mean.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No that sounds like excuses.

So when wolverine's depowered, or injured, or attacked from behind, not fighting back, holding back, or attacked in succession.. that's excuses?

🙄 pffft.

Originally posted by jinzin
So when wolverine's depowered, or injured, or attacked from behind, not fighting back, holding back, or attacked in succession.. that's excuses?

🙄 pffft.

Yeah but there cant be an excuse for every circumstance. There is no way that Wolverine after starving for days and not sleeping for days is gonna take on Cap, Cyclops and Hellion....hes just not that good.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah but there cant be an excuse for every circumstance. There is no way that Wolverine after starving for days and not sleeping for days is gonna take on Cap, Cyclops and Hellion....hes just not that good.

him not sleepign only effected his healing factor nor his other abilities as shown.

the onyl way capt can have a fair fight with wolverine is if wolverine healing factor is pritty used up.

Originally posted by jinzin
No...Your point hasn't been made.. Spiderman has in no way "more" to hold back than logan...

it's all about how affective something is...

If someone has a number of guns strapped to them and they hold them back are they holding back more than logan does because they work in more situations than do logan's claws?

NO....

consider characters like hulk, or thing.. bullets may as well be feathers.. but logan's claws are going to be affective...

You can't dictate that spiderman has more to hold back than does wolverine just due to range or whatever other made up reasons you think you have.

In that same notion "spiderman needs a good hit" His strength and webs have been overcome as well..

And I have no idea what that last comment is even supposed to mean.

I'll make a thread on that when I get back, because I'm certain you disagree.