Originally posted by Soujaboy
I have, and I call BS. Why would Thor have trouble attaining Mjolnir from one such as Magneto, when on more recent occasions he has shown to be able to easily attain it from a far superior being in Silver Surfer?http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsSurferfirstbattle10.jpg
If you noticed Balder's dialogue, he mentions that the cosmic bolt was nothing more than a warning blast which meant them no harm at all. That implies that he was using a fraction of his power. Besides, he wasn't magnetically grasping Mjolnir. He trapped it in a cosmic bubble; a cosmic bubble in which he was using little power on. That's something completely different. Magneto didn't trap Mjolnir in a magnetic bubble, he simply magnetically repelled it. You're comparing apples to oranges, my friend.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Lets say we go by the superior feat, and assume Thor could attain Mjolnir from Magneto as easily as he did against Surfer.
Why exactly is that a superior feat? Norrin used a completely different method to separate Thor from Mjolnir. Not exactly comparable. Besides, it's been shown ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION that Magneto can magnetically grasp Mjolnir. That's what you and Newjak are having trouble realizing.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Isn't that the problem with most characters. For example; how often does Superman speedblitz in comics? Not very much, however that doesn't keep posters from screaming that very tactic the minute hes thrown in a comic.
Well, Superman actually does use the speedblitz quite frequently in comics, however that's a completely different subject for a completely different thread. But the same can be used in Magneto's case. Erik doesn't use the "wormhole" or the "sucking life energy" tricks very often, but they are viable tactics. Hell, Thor has used MANY MANY one-appearance powers in comics that people use quite frequently in matches. Thor isn't exempt from that rule.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I wouldn't call them bullshit feats just as I wouldn't call Hal, Kyle, Surfer, or Superman's higher feats bullshit. Also, Thor is portrayed much more powerful an average in his own comics than he's is in Avengers comics.
True enough, however I see more people using the Exitar and Galactus feats for Thor than the high feats for the others you mentioned. I mean, do you really consider them viable feats to use in battles? Those feats really are PIS personified. They're just as ridiculous as Thor being KO'd by a shotgun blast to the face (which btw, has happened before).
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Your correct, Thor isn't skyfather. However he's still at the very top of the list when compared to other top tier characters.
I won't deny that at all. Thor is an uber herald leveler, no doubt about it.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I doubt Magneto can defeat Thor when both characters are utilizing their abilities to the fullest. Yes Magneto has bested the superior Thor in comics, but The X men have done the same to Magneto. Now put Magneto in a vs battle with the x men in this forum, and I doubt the X Men pull out a single win.
I already gave Thor the majority over Erik one-on-one. I'm not trying to argue the majority of victories for Magneto. All I'm saying is that Magneto possess the necessary abilities to beat Thor a few times out of 10, which he can and has done. So don't even for one second try using the "well... Thor jobs to most earth-bound characters!!" argument. He's freakin' THOR for God's sake! You and I both know that doesn't hold up in most debates. And I believe one of the instances where Magneto got the better of Thor was in a Journey Into Mystery title.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
How would we know how fast the characters are battling unless specifically stated on panel? We wouldn't know if they were fighting at FTL speeds or not, only that they were fighting fast. You can't say they weren't fighting that fast, just as I can't say they were fighting at ftl speeds. However Surfer drawn in blurs with streaks behind him indicate to me that Surfer was utilizing his speed in some manner.http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsSurferfirstbattle4.jpg
True again, however that comment was simply a reply to the fact that Newjak has the crazy notion that Thor can speedblitz at faster than light speeds, which both you and I know is not true. And he isn't fast enough to speedblitz Magneto either. He isn't even a speedblitzing character for poop's sake!!! This shouldn't even be apart of the argument.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
On average most characters with FTL reflexes are shown to be about the speed of sound, even Superman and Surfer. Also, using low showings to boost your argument really isn't fair. 😬
First of all, like you said before, how can you even be sure that they are going the speed of sound? Btw, I was being extremely generous when I said that Thor on average goes at the speed of sound. Second of all, how am I using low showings? You guys are using the Exitar and Galactus feats. Don't you think that's a bit extreme? I mean, all of the skyfathers in the entire Marvel U put together couldn't even faze Exitar, yet Thor cracked his armor? 🤨
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor doesn't need his hammer to defeat Magneto.http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/BetaThor1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/BetaThor2.jpg
Well, I can't see the second scan, but judging from the first one, it appears that Thor took that guy down physically. It would definitely take more than just his strength to beat Magneto down. Thor struck Magneto's shield with Mjolnir as hard as he could, and Magneto basically laughed at his attempts stating something like "BAH!!! Mere physical force cannot penetrate my shields!!"
So that's a "no go" on the physical beat down.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
You consider Thor cracking Exitars dome and nearly killing Galactus bullshit, yet you sit well with Magneto manipulating Mjolnir?
Uh.... YEAH! 🤨 You're trying to tell me that you think Thor nearly killing Galactus isn't as big of PIS as Magneto magnetically grasping Mjolnir? 😆 Please, the two aren't even comparable. Magneto being able to control Mjolnir isn't PIS.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor takes the majority.
Nope, Thor loses the majority. 😉
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I've only see it a handful of time, and never has it been at the FTl's speeds posters claim.
And Thor loses.
Originally posted by batdude123
If you noticed Balder's dialogue, he mentions that the cosmic bolt was nothing more than a warning blast which meant them no harm at all. That implies that he was using a [B]fraction of his power. Besides, he wasn't magnetically grasping Mjolnir. He trapped it in a cosmic bubble; a cosmic bubble in which he was using little power on. That's something completely different. Magneto didn't trap Mjolnir in a magnetic bubble, he simply magnetically repelled it. You're comparing apples to oranges, my friend.Why exactly is that a superior feat? Norrin used a completely different method to separate Thor from Mjolnir. Not exactly comparable. Besides, it's been shown ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION that Magneto can magnetically grasp Mjolnir. That's what you and Newjak are having trouble realizing.
Well, Superman actually does use the speedblitz quite frequently in comics, however that's a completely different subject for a completely different thread. But the same can be used in Magneto's case. Erik doesn't use the "wormhole" or the "sucking life energy" tricks very often, but they are viable tactics. Hell, Thor has used MANY MANY one-appearance powers in comics that people use quite frequently in matches. Thor isn't exempt from that rule.
True enough, however I see more people using the Exitar and Galactus feats for Thor than the high feats for the others you mentioned. I mean, do you really consider them viable feats to use in battles? Those feats really are PIS personified. They're just as ridiculous as Thor being KO'd by a shotgun blast to the face (which btw, has happened before).
I won't deny that at all. Thor is an uber herald leveler, no doubt about it.
I already gave Thor the majority over Erik one-on-one. I'm not trying to argue the majority of victories for Magneto. All I'm saying is that Magneto possess the necessary abilities to beat Thor a few times out of 10, which he can and has done. So don't even for one second try using the "well... Thor jobs to most earth-bound characters!!" argument. He's freakin' THOR for God's sake! You and I both know that doesn't hold up in most debates. And I believe one of the instances where Magneto got the better of Thor was in a Journey Into Mystery title.
True again, however that comment was simply a reply to the fact that Newjak has the crazy notion that Thor can speedblitz at faster than light speeds, which both you and I know is not true. And he isn't fast enough to speedblitz Magneto either. He isn't even a speedblitzing character for poop's sake!!! This shouldn't even be apart of the argument.
First of all, like you said before, how can you even be sure that they are going the speed of sound? Btw, I was being extremely generous when I said that Thor on average goes at the speed of sound. Second of all, how am I using low showings? You guys are using the Exitar and Galactus feats. Don't you think that's a bit extreme? I mean, all of the skyfathers in the entire Marvel U put together couldn't even faze Exitar, yet Thor cracked his armor? 🤨
Well, I can't see the second scan, but judging from the first one, it appears that Thor took that guy down physically. It would definitely take more than just his strength to beat Magneto down. Thor struck Magneto's shield with Mjolnir as hard as he could, and Magneto basically laughed at his attempts stating something like "BAH!!! Mere physical force cannot penetrate my shields!!"
So that's a "no go" on the physical beat down.
Uh.... YEAH! 🤨 You're trying to tell me that you think Thor nearly killing Galactus isn't as big of PIS as Magneto magnetically grasping Mjolnir? 😆 Please, the two aren't even comparable. Magneto being able to control Mjolnir isn't PIS.
Nope, Thor loses the majority. 😉 [/B]
Thats nice and all, but Surfer snatched Mjolnir away from Thor a page before Balder made that statement.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsSurferfirstbattle8.jpg
There was no holding back involved. Even so, a fraction of the Surfers power far outstrips the power Magneto can produce.
My point was to say that if Thor can overcome Surfer cosmically repelling him from his hammer, than he could also overcome Magneto magnetically repelling his hammer.
The fact that he could overcome Surfer's influence but not Magneto's. However I can live with Magneto being able to remove Mjolnir from Thor after it's thrown. What I can't see is Magneto simply taking the hammer from Thor. I believe Thor's strength to be far too vast for such a cheap tactic.
It seems we agree on this. I was just pointing out that we can't ignore characters attacks and abilities because they aren't used very often.
I rarely if ever use Thor's "nearly killing Galactus" feat, however I do use the Exitar feat but thats just to display Thor's strength. But yeah I understand what your saying.
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Fair enough
I agree.
Fair enough
I still think Thor takes the majority, main;y because his only threat is Magneto.
Originally posted by Newjak
Turn him into another gas besides Water Vapor.That does bring up a pretty big point could Iceman survive being turned into something other than H2O
Well, he has transmuted a guy into gasoline before. srug
Originally posted by Newjak
By the way BD I replied to your post but it kept me from posting it 🙁
Saying it was too long.
Well that sucks for you then, doesn't it? 😛
Originally posted by Newjak
So you suck
Not as much as your mother. 😖hifty: 😛
Originally posted by Newjak
and I'll give the condensed version because I don't want to write it all out again.
Okey-dokey.
Originally posted by Newjak
Thor can speedblitz because he has shown travel speed at FTL even if he has never done it in a comic as provded by KMC rules he can. All he ahs to do is let the Hammer fly around him at its top speed.
And therein lies the problem, because as soon as the fight starts, Magneto would try to magnetically control Mjolnir because he's done so before, and he'd realize that it's his best shot at beating Thor. Not to mention, just because Thor can achieve light speed with the hammer doesn't mean that he can speedblitz. He lacks the reflexes for it. That's like saying Lobo can speedblitz. Hey, he travels at ftl speeds all around the galaxy on his "hog", so he MUST be able to speedblitz!!! Never mind that he doesn't have the reflexes for it. 🙄 Thor isn't a speedblitzer and he can't speedblitz Magneto. He doesn't have the reflexes for it. End of discussion.
Originally posted by Newjak
That What If was simply everyone being their current power levels but with the Juggernaut without TP weakness and conquering a world. Not to far fetched since Cain Marko has taken over a planet before 😉
Newjak, it's a "What If", and by KMC rules, you can't use it for your arguments. We can only use canonical evidentiary support to back our cases.
Originally posted by Newjak
I never said Thor was Skyfather I simply said even a skyfather couldn't keep the Hammer from Thor you should know the difference 😉
Uh, I know the difference. However, you're making it seem like you're trying to tell me that Thor is skyfather level. You keep using the Exitar and Galactus feats like Thor does that every Tuesday. He isn't that powerful.
Originally posted by Newjak
Oh yes I also was going to post I luv ya too man 😛
Aw shucks, Newjak. blush2
No I mention his Celsetial and Galactus feats to showcase his offensive firepower which none of the Muties can stand up too.
And BD your clinging to this Magneto can control Thor's Hammer way to much. I'm sure I've heard you(maybe it wasn't but I'm gonna bring it up anyways 😛) say that anytime Deathstroke hits Flash that it is PIS even though he has done it on more than one occassion 😈
The point is even if Magneto has taken away Thor's Hammer that doesn't change the fact he shouldn't be able to.
I could put it into the simplest terms. No one unworthy can wield the hammer right. People like the Juggernaut, Hulk have tried to pick that Hammer up they couldn't do it.
Magneto can not emit more force then those people therefore even if the Hammer was Magnetic Magneto simply wouldn't have the power to resist the magical enchantments like that.
I would also like to point out that Mageto would not have any easy time taking over the Hammer. Honestly much stronger people in every aspect of power then Magneto have tried. Hulk's Strength. Solver Surfer's Power Cosmic. all much greater in scope and force then anything Mag's has ever done couldn't.
The fact is the Hammer would resist Mags till Kingdom Come because
A) Magnetism alone isn't overcoming the enchantments.
B) The Hammer would physically resist and tax Magneto even if he did hualt it.
Yes Magneto controlling the Hammer is in fact PIS 😉
Thos can move faster then the lighting he commands and all he has to think is Hammer let's boogey. Then begin flying around knocking everyone's head off 😛
And no problem BD blush2
Originally posted by batdude123No physical...
Well, I can't see the second scan, but judging from the first one, it appears that Thor took that guy down physically. It would definitely take more than just his strength to beat Magneto down. Thor struck Magneto's shield with Mjolnir as hard as he could, and Magneto basically laughed at his attempts stating something like "BAH!!! Mere physical force cannot penetrate my shields!!"So that's a "no go" on the physical beat down.
He actually killed Durok. The same guy who has fought Surfer, and has given Thor a tough time when he had his hammer.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thats nice and all, but Surfer snatched Mjolnir away from Thor a page before Balder made that statement.http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsSurferfirstbattle8.jpg
There was no holding back involved. Even so, a fraction of the Surfers power far outstrips the power Magneto can produce.
My point was to say that if Thor can overcome Surfer cosmically repelling him from his hammer, than he could also overcome Magneto magnetically repelling his hammer.
Ah, I see. Well still... he DID manage to separate Thor from Mjolnir, didn't he? He kept it away from him for awhile before he got it back. Thor busted the cosmic bubble that Surfer had around it, which leads me back to my previous point. Magneto didn't trap it in a magnetic bubble, he simply repelled it. He's shown that he can do this. I'm not trying to say that he'll keep it away from Thor for the entire fight, but at the same time, he can do this trick for a little bit. Long enough for a follow up attack in which Thor would be vulnerable to.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Even so, a fraction of the Surfers power far outstrips the power Magneto can produce. [/B]
I'd disagree with this, but that's for another time.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
The fact that he could overcome Surfer's influence but not Magneto's. However I can live with Magneto being able to remove Mjolnir from Thor after it's thrown. What I can't see is Magneto simply taking the hammer from Thor. I believe Thor's strength to be far too vast for such a cheap tactic.
He may not be able to keep it away from Thor for the entire fight, but it's a viable tactic to use in the heart of the battle to throw Thor off his guard and use a follow up attack. Magneto has done this, Silver Surfer has done this, Quasar has done this... it HAS happened before.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
It seems we agree on this. I was just pointing out that we can't ignore characters attacks and abilities because they aren't used very often.
Yeah, pretty much.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I rarely if ever use Thor's "nearly killing Galactus" feat, however I do use the Exitar feat but thats just to display Thor's strength. But yeah I understand what your saying.
Cool.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
👆Fair enough
I agree.
Fair enough
Double coolness.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I still think Thor takes the majority, main;y because his only threat is Magneto.
Fair enough, but I think Iceman would be able to do some serious damage in this fight. HT and Storm don't really mean much, you're correct.
Originally posted by Newjak
No I mention his Celsetial and Galactus feats to showcase his offensive firepower which none of the Muties can stand up too.
And yet you somehow manage to have the audacity to call Magneto being able to control Mjolnir PIS? 🤨
Sorry, but my brain does not compute this. 😕
Originally posted by Newjak
And BD your clinging to this Magneto can control Thor's Hammer way to much. I'm sure I've heard you(maybe it wasn't but I'm gonna bring it up anyways 😛) say that anytime Deathstroke hits Flash that it is PIS even though he has done it on more than one occassion.
Just out of curiosity, when has Deathstroke tagged Flash on more than one occasion? Regardless, it makes sense that Magneto is able to magnetically polarize uru. The hammer falls within the realm of his power, which you’re not acknowledging.
Originally posted by Newjak
The point is even if Magneto has taken away Thor's Hammer that doesn't change the fact he shouldn't be able to.
I could put it into the simplest terms. No one unworthy can wield the hammer right. People like the Juggernaut, Hulk have tried to pick that Hammer up they couldn't do it.Magneto can not emit more force then those people therefore even if the Hammer was Magnetic Magneto simply wouldn't have the power to resist the magical enchantments like that.
I would also like to point out that Mageto would not have any easy time taking over the Hammer. Honestly much stronger people in every aspect of power then Magneto have tried. Hulk's Strength. Solver Surfer's Power Cosmic. all much greater in scope and force then anything Mag's has ever done couldn't.
Listen, Janice, I think you’re a bit confused on how Thor’s enchantments actually work. One has to be deemed worthy to actually PHYSICALLY pick up the hammer, not move it by any other means. Hell, it’s been done so many times over the course of Thor’s history, it's not even funny. What you’re talking about is true… when it comes to people wanting to grasp it in their hands. However, many people have accomplished the feat of separating Thor from Mjolnir with their powers many times including (but not limited to): Magneto, Silver Surfer, Quasar… hell, I’m pretty sure even SUE has been able to do it before.
Jak, no matter HOW much you hate it, you’re going to have to come to terms with the fact that it’s a viable tactic for Magneto to use… which he has done so on multiple occasions.
Originally posted by Newjak
The fact is the Hammer would resist Mags till Kingdom Come because
A) Magnetism alone isn't overcoming the enchantments.
B) The Hammer would physically resist and tax Magneto even if he did halt it.
You mean besides the fact that it’s already been done before? 🤨
And the hammer is putty for Magneto’s powers. Only Thor could stop it from being manipulated, not the hammer itself.
Originally posted by Newjak
Yes Magneto controlling the Hammer is in fact PIS
I’m failing to realize why. Is it just because you WANT it to be PIS? I would think so…
Originally posted by Newjak
Thor can move faster then the lighting he commands and all he has to think is Hammer let's boogey. Then begin flying around knocking everyone's head off
What? Yeah…. no.
I’d ask you to stop making stuff up… but I doubt that’s going to happen. 😬
Originally posted by Newjak
And no problem BD
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Dang it BD I don't know what you have done to my posting but it keeps saying I have to many images in my post every time I respond.
So anyways Deathstroke. Tagged Flash in his fight wit hthe JLA and once when he was escaping stabbed him right in the shoulder both times.
Magneto has to overcome the Magical Properties of the Hammer to take completle control. Magneto has zero mystical properties to do such especially since Magneto doesn't have planetary power.
Thor admits URU has magentic canceling proptierties. Still Hammer nto just Uru but also a lot and a lot of actual magical energies. No one has kept Thor's hammer from him just halted it and delayed it at best but nothing of any real worth.
Only Magneto the weakest person Thor has faced has despite poeple who are stronger, more powerful, and more versatile YES PI F*CKING S
Magneto not nearly as strong as you think BD and no where near strong enough to take a magicla hammer and do with what he wants 🙂
Oh yeah blush2
Originally posted by Newjak
Dang it BD I don't know what you have done to my posting but it keeps saying I have to many images in my post every time I respond.
Well that’s what you get. 😠
Originally posted by Newjak
So anyways Deathstroke. Tagged Flash in his fight wit hthe JLA and once when he was escaping stabbed him right in the shoulder both times.
That was on the same occasion. Tell me when it happened outside of that fight.
Originally posted by Newjak
Magneto has to overcome the Magical Properties of the Hammer to take completle control.
I never said that Magneto would take complete control over the hammer, making it impossible for Thor to use. All I said was that Magneto could manipulate the hammer (which he has done before).
Originally posted by Newjak
Magneto has zero mystical properties to do such especially since Magneto doesn't have planetary power.
Bullshit. Magneto has used his powers on a global scale plenty of times.
Originally posted by Newjak
Thor admits URU has magentic canceling proptierties.
And Thor ALSO admitted that Mjolnir was not immune to Magneto’s powers.
Originally posted by Newjak
Still Hammer nto just Uru but also a lot and a lot of actual magical energies.
Which Magneto has controlled before…
Originally posted by Newjak
No one has kept Thor's hammer from him just halted it and delayed it at best but nothing of any real worth.
Yes, they have.
Originally posted by Newjak
Only Magneto the weakest person Thor has faced has despite people who are stronger, more powerful, and more versatile YES PI F*CKING S
What the hell are you talking about? 🤨 People fail to move the hammer physically because they have to be deemed worthy enough to lift it. That doesn’t have any berrings whatsoever on whether or not someone can move it telekinetically. Quasar has done it, SS has done it, Magneto has done it, Sue has done it… a lot of people. It isn’t PIS at all. You need to find yourself a new tune to sing.
Originally posted by Newjak
Magneto not nearly as strong as you think BD and no where near strong enough to take a magicla hammer and do with what he wants 🙂
No, you just give him absolutely no credibility. 🙄
It appears you need to read up on Magneto before passing anymore judgment on him. ‘Cause most of what you’re saying is pure crap.
Originally posted by Newjak
Oh yeah blush2
Btw, everything I say to you is out of the utmost respect. 😉
