Thor versus The Elemental Four

Originally posted by Hercules
Not wanting to split hairs but that is exactley what immortal means, you can't die and you can't be killed.

Actually an immortal can be killed, but youre are right about the fact that they cvan die.

Originally posted by Hercules
Hercules is/was a true immortal as are all olympians, the only way to ensure they stay dead is to disperse their atoms over the universe and even then, a high level sky father like Zeus could put them back together again.

I understand that.

Originally posted by Hercules
Asgardians however are not true immortals, just very long lived, they age one year for every 100 years (or one year for every thousand in the case of Odin) so yes he can be killed.

Although it would take a lot to do the job.

Sweet. That helps alot.

What about the 3rd question i had? Does Thor need food/water to live?

Well thats the age old debate, Tolkien said that elves were immortal but could be killed but being killed means you die, immortals can't die so does that mean they are mortal after all?

So let me rephrase it, true immortals don't stay dead, so even if you can "kill" then you are rather incapaicating them and inconviencing them for a while.

As far as I know Thor needs to eat and drink although he probably has the constitution to be able to go without either for a prolonged period.

Sweet Herc. Thats help alot. I hear what youre saying about the immortalality thing. Its like Superman for example. There was a debate going on over a year ago with Superman in it and it was mentioned that he was immortal. I said "Impossible! Superman died and he can die again." Thats when i found out that immortals can be killed but would live forever if not. I was going through some Flash scans and saw when he raced Death to the end of time. About 2,050,000,000 years into the future, Wally observed a man with red boots and a beard sitting in a red died out sun. Ill let you see the scan.

With all that said, i think the team wins. Unless Thor uses bfr like i stated before. Even molecular manipulation would work on 3/4 of the team if that is allowed. Iceman may give him the toughest fihgt imo.

Team wins if tactics mentioned above arent allowed. Thats unless Thor has another power to claim a victory. I can be swayed if proven otherwise.

Well the fact that Superman has "died" and yet came back = immortal as well along with the no aging thing of course but this is off topic.

I think the Team has a chance also, full potential Iceman, alongside Magneto can make things rough for Odinson.

It all comes down to tactics at the end of the day, the side who fights the smartest wins.

Oh and nice scan!

Which Thor is this?

Doesn't matter much, he wins either way.

THor isn't handling the Likes of Storm, Magneto and Iceman all together. The Torch serves as cannon fodder. Tho I can see magneto doing some crazy stuff with his powers working in unison with the others.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THor isn't handling the Likes of Storm, Magneto and Iceman all together. The Torch serves as cannon fodder. Tho I can see magneto doing some crazy stuff with his powers working in unison with the others.

Thats nice, but without a base to hold your case it holds no argument. So can you explain why you believe this to be so?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thats nice, but without a base to hold your case it holds no argument. So can you explain why you believe this to be so?

Magneto has held his own against THor and Others. He's much more skilled an powerful now. Ice man was able to freeze a being far far far superior to Thor. Storm and Johnny are powerful enough to provide good distractsions. Especially if mags puts some of those near invulnerable shields around them while they do thier thing. Team work with an omega mutant, and two alpha(could be omega mutants) and johnny is enough to beat thor imo. People give Thor far far far too much credit. Magneto can literally rip the electro magnetic energy out of the atmosphere and literally turn the earth upside down if he wishes. Thor simply can't beat the combined might of the powers. This is my opinion.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Magneto has held his own against THor and Others. He's much more skilled an powerful now. Ice man was able to freeze a being far far far superior to Thor. Storm and Johnny are powerful enough to provide good distractsions. Especially if mags puts some of those near invulnerable shields around them while they do thier thing. Team work with an omega mutant, and two alpha(could be omega mutants) and johnny is enough to beat thor imo. People give Thor far far far too much credit. Magneto can literally rip the electro magnetic energy out of the atmosphere and literally turn the earth upside down if he wishes. Thor simply can't beat the combined might of the powers. This is my opinion.

He has also been humiliated by Thor, go figure.

Thor has also dealt with elementals far superior to Ice Man. After seeing Thor defeat Ymir the King if the Frost Giants, Bobby was spooked.

Whats Storm and HT going to do? Neither can phase Thor, and both can be easily dealt with.

Mjolnir has the ability to phase through shields, as shown when he did so against Kang.

You think Human Torch can defeat Thor? I would love to hear your reasoning for this.

Whatever

Whats turning the world upside down going to help?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
He has also been humiliated by Thor, go figure.

Thor has also dealt with elementals far superior to Ice Man. After seeing Thor defeat Ymir the King if the Frost Giants, Bobby was spooked.

Whats Storm and HT going to do? Neither can phase Thor, and both can be easily dealt with.

Mjolnir has the ability to phase through shields, as shown when he did so against Kang.

You think Human Torch can defeat Thor? I would love to hear your reasoning for this.

Whatever

Whats turning the world upside down going to help?

Where did you get that I said Human torch can defeat thor? Do you have something in ur eye? DiD I say that? Also Thor has been hurt by less power than Storm wields. Storm is one of the most powerful beings on earth. She can get a few in. And Kangs shield are nothing compared to magneto's. Also Bobby is an omega mutant. I don't think The frost giant can freeze the stranger. That example of bobby being in awe does not impress me. These 4 beings who are all powerful and 2 of them being extremely powerful give them the edge.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor has also dealt with elementals far superior to Ice Man. After seeing Thor defeat Ymir the King if the Frost Giants, Bobby was spooked.

Who are these elementals Thor beat that were superior to Iceman and what powers did they have. Just so we know.

Secondly, Iceman being "spooked" was around 16 years old. Id be spooked too. Also notice at 16, Bobby was already being considered as a replacement.

Whats Ymir's powers anyway?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Whats Ymir's powers anyway?

Courtesty of immortal thor.net:

Ymir

Intelligence: Normal (4/10)
Strength: Incalculable (12/12)
Speed: Superhuman (6/10)
Stamina: Godlike (9/10)
Durability: Demi-godlike regenerative (12/14)
Agility: Superhuman (6/7)
Reflexes: Superhuman (6/7)
Fighting Skills: relies of brute force
Special Skills/Abilities: none
Superhuman physical powers: Aside from the above listed attributes, Ymir's body continually generates intense cold, and he can freeze anything by touching it. Ymir is fully immortal and can neither age nor die. Ymir's body greatly resembles ice, and although it can be shattered, he can then mentally cause his body to reform.
Superhuman Mental Powers: none
Special Limitations: Like all Ice Giants, Ymir's size is dependent on the presence of cold temperatures. Of it were not for his ability to generate intense cold, Ymir's body would shrink and melt when exposed to intense heat.
Source of Superhuman Powers: Ymir is the eldest and most powerful member of the other-dimensional race of Ice Giants
Personal Weaponry: Carries an enormous ice-covered club that may be made entirely of ice. Also can create and hurl gigantic ice-spears.

Thor takes down the Muties, and that looser from the F4 😂

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Where did you get that I said Human torch can defeat Thor? Do you have something in ur eye? DiD I say that? Also Thor has been hurt by less power than Storm wields. Storm is one of the most powerful beings on earth. She can get a few in. And Kangs shield are nothing compared to magneto's. Also Bobby is an omega mutant. I don't think The frost giant can freeze the stranger. That example of bobby being in awe does not impress me. These 4 beings who are all powerful and 2 of them being extremely powerful give them the edge.

"and johnny is enough to beat Thor imo."

Yes you said it.

Thor has never been harmed by lightning, you know this as well as I do.

Storm is nowhere near one of the most powerful beings on earth.

Kang's shield are created from the same substance Magneto's shields are composed of. How could one possibly be superior to the other? Also, a shield is a shield if one can be phased through so can the others.

It's clear you have no idea who Ymir is so I guess I'll take this time to educate you. The Marvel Comics version appears as a gigantic being composed of ice and stands over 1,000 feet tall. He has the ability to generate intense, deadly cold and regeneration from as little as a particle of ice. Ymir also carries a huge icicle which functions as a club. Ymir is an ancient being whose thinking is rather limited: his energies are devoted to destruction and little else. This may in fact be Ymir's Achilles Heel, and the reason why Odin and his two brother gods, Ville and Ve, were able to defeat him.

In other words, he's a Skyfather being who's powers rival those of Surtur and Odin.

Ymir >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iceman

They have no edge, anything they can do Thor can do better.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
"and johnny is enough to beat Thor imo."

Yes you said it.

Thor has never been harmed by lightning, you know this as well as I do.

Storm is nowhere near one of the most powerful beings on earth.

Kang's shield are created from the same substance Magneto's shields are composed of. How could one possibly be superior to the other? Also, a shield is a shield if one can be phased through so can the others.

It's clear you have no idea who Ymir is so I guess I'll take this time to educate you. The Marvel Comics version appears as a gigantic being composed of ice and stands over 1,000 feet tall. He has the ability to generate intense, deadly cold and regeneration from as little as a particle of ice. Ymir also carries a huge icicle which functions as a club. Ymir is an ancient being whose thinking is rather limited: his energies are devoted to destruction and little else. This may in fact be Ymir's Achilles Heel, and the reason why Odin and his two brother gods, Ville and Ve, were able to defeat him.

In other words, he's a Skyfather being who's powers rival those of Surtur and Odin.

Ymir >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iceman

They have no edge, anything they can do Thor can do better.

This is ur opinion. Bobby is an omega lvl mutant, who are powerful enough to fight abstracts. Abstracts are beyond sky fathers. The others added in make this fight easy to beat thor. Thor can't do magnetism better than Magneto. and i doubt he has an edge over Storm. she has pretty impressive feats to put her at or near his lvl. I said in a previous post that human torch was cannon fodder. isnt' that what I said?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
This is ur opinion. Bobby is an omega lvl mutant, who are powerful enough to fight abstracts. Abstracts are beyond sky fathers. The others added in make this fight easy to beat thor. Thor can't do magnetism better than Magneto. and i doubt he has an edge over Storm. she has pretty impressive feats to put her at or near his lvl. I said in a previous post that human torch was cannon fodder. isnt' that what I said?

Powerful enough to fight abstracts 😆

All Abstracts aren't above all skyfathers.

Know, and you haven't countered any arguments given to defeat the team while your have already been countered.

You may be right, however like stated, Magneto can do nothing to Thor that can't be countered.

Thor has a major advantage over storm. Look back a page or so, and you'll see how Thor's control over the elements far surpasses Storms control over the elements.

Storm has more intricate control over the elements than Thor.

She's some how connected to Thor's momma(Gaia) mother earth.

Storm could feed Magneto with Lightning and Ice man can feed him with cold giving him a boost.

Human torch could melt Iceman, turning him into water vapor, then storm could blow it in Thor's direction while Mags is distracting him. Iceman is now on the INSIDE of Thor and he can d some damage that way.

I dunno.

I will get into this later, but Iceman has some tactical advantages that Ymir does not 😬

Ymir produces cold, and uses it in various ways, but Iceman uses water, ice, and water vapor and can use them in various creative ways that Ymir simply cannot

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm has more intricate control over the elements than Thor.

She's some how connected to Thor's momma(Gaia) mother earth.

Storm could feed Magneto with Lightning and Ice man can feed him with cold giving him a boost.

Human torch could melt Iceman, turning him into water vapor, then storm could blow it in Thor's direction while Mags is distracting him. Iceman is now on the INSIDE of Thor and he can d some damage that way.

I dunno.

😐