Thor versus The Elemental Four

Storm is the biggest problem for Thor. If you read the Official Handbook, you will see in Uncanny 146 when the "Storm statue" was glowing, that was Storm absorbing energy from those storms and triggering her evolution into Rougestorm. Thor creates a storm and hits Ororo with elemental powers, she can absorb it and grow stronger. If we give Storm her full range of power and ignore PIS, Thor's elemental powers cannot even hurt Ororo as she is immune to the weather. She cannot be directly harmed by any of its manifestations. This is canon.

Storm can't be harmed by the weather, so obivously Thor can't hurt her because all he brings to the table is lightening bolts... 😐

How is Ymir better than Iceman? Because hes immortal and leader of the frost giants? What powers has he displayed thats better than Icemans? Its constantly said that all he uses is brute force and is non tactical.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Storm is the biggest problem for Thor. If you read the Official Handbook, you will see in Uncanny 146 when the "Storm statue" was glowing, that was Storm absorbing energy from those storms and triggering her evolution into Rougestorm. Thor creates a storm and hits Ororo with elemental powers, she can absorb it and grow stronger. If we give Storm her full range of power and ignore PIS, Thor's elemental powers cannot even hurt Ororo as she is immune to the weather. She cannot be directly harmed by any of its manifestations. This is canon.

According to Storm's own testimony Thor should be able to disperse any storm she creates with a mere thought.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Storm is the biggest problem for Thor. If you read the Official Handbook, you will see in Uncanny 146 when the "Storm statue" was glowing, that was Storm absorbing energy from those storms and triggering her evolution into Rougestorm. Thor creates a storm and hits Ororo with elemental powers, she can absorb it and grow stronger. If we give Storm her full range of power and ignore PIS, Thor's elemental powers cannot even hurt Ororo as she is immune to the weather. She cannot be directly harmed by any of its manifestations. This is canon.

So instead of attack Storm with lightning he crushes her skull with Mjolnir. 😕

Originally posted by Soujaboy
So instead of attack Storm with lightning he crushes her skull with Mjolnir. 😕

What will Thor do against Iceman literally freezing his blood into solid ice?

Originally posted by masterbruce
What will Thor do against Iceman literally freezing his blood into solid ice?

Or Flash freezing him from the inside out and shattering him? Unless Ymir tried that before and it failed?😬

Originally posted by masterbruce
What will Thor do against Iceman literally freezing his blood into solid ice?

Who cares? Storm would be dead.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Who cares? Storm would be dead.

and?

Thor would be a dead frozen Asgardian popsicle.

Originally posted by masterbruce
and?

Thor would be a dead frozen Asgardian popsicle.

Meh.

The story would be retconed eventually.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
So instead of attack Storm with lightning he crushes her skull with Mjolnir. 😕

👆

Who cares? Storm would be dead.

Yes, doesn't matter what happens to Thor after that, cause we have all won something!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Meh.

The story would be retconed eventually.

😆 You may be right.

Storm leads the team to VICTORY!!!

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm leads the team to VICTORY!!!

Its possible that they could win, but wouldn't Magneto make a better leader?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
According to Storm's own testimony Thor should be able to disperse any storm she creates with a mere thought.

This is not true. Storm said that he can ban a storm easier than she. This is because he has a hammer that does all the work while Storm works with the forces of nature herself and chooses to use restraint and be gentle. Also, if Thor tries to disperse a storm of her creation, she could fight him over that. Personaly, I am not sure either can banish the other if the other fought them over it. I do think however, that Storm on the team with the elementals really cuts down Thor's attacks. He won't be able to use any of his weather powers.

As for him hitting Storm in the head with his hammer, she can dodge that and she will not let him get close enough. Heck, she even has backup here with Magneto, Torch and Iceman. The one major thing Thor has is his hammer's ability to absorb energy. That can nullifly Torch and Magneto, but Storm can absorb energy as well. You people try to write off Storm and she's the reason this team stands a chance.

Originally posted by Newjak
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Ok I would aslo like to point out that first all its PIS whenever Mags messes with the Hammer because A) Magical enchanted Hammer even the Hulk/Juggernaut(someone who in a What If made Erik's powers look foolish) can't pick up the hammer yet Erik can effect it.
B) He would still have to remove it from Thor's hand which Thor's strength greater than Eric's power since Thor actually has planetary moving feats. Even Zeus a SKYFATHER can't keep the Hammer away from Thor.

Yes I'm calling you out on that one my friend 😉

As for the spped he can swing his hammer faster than light he can travel faster than light he has fought people who cna move faster than light he has been described as being quicker than the lighting he commands yet he can't speedblitz a bunch of mutants.

Really is a non factor since Thor actually has documtented quicker than human reactions. Thor Can dispell his shield and most likely simply devlove him into a human, steal his soul, simply turn him into gas. Yet he can't beat him?

The guy freaking fights hurts Galactus and Celestials. He fights people who would mop the floor with all these people at once in the Silver Surfer twice with decribed power rivaling the Surfer.

Plus just like Superman Thor is documented as holding back most of the time from using his full powers.

So yeah Thor takes this with ease my friend no matter how much you want to say different.

😆 hysterical2

Okay, I think you've made it blatantly obvious that you don't read many Thor comics. Regardless of whether you like it or not, Magneto has been shown to take control of the hammer TWICE on separate occasions, so there goes that argument right out the window. Thor even comments on it...

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/MightilyOats/Magneto87.jpg

Did you happen to catch that? "By Odin's beard!!! Not even heaven-forged Mjolnir is immune to his mutant power!!"

If that's not enough for you, I've got more.

http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=journeyintomystery10909bu8.jpg
http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=journeyintomystery10910lw1.jpg

Bottom line: No matter what you think of the subject, Erik is able to magnetically grasp Mjolnir. NEXT!!! 🙄

So what if Juggernaut couldn't do anything to Mjolnir? I understand you have a boner for Cain (😛), but this doesn't prove anything at all. Does Juggernaut have electromagnetic manipulation? Yeah... DIDN'T THINK SO!!! And congratulations on using a "What If" in this debate. 😉

The problem with Thor on this forum is that we don't use him how he's portrayed on average. We take him as an Exitar smashin', Galactus chasin', Earth liftin', god blastin' invincible guy which is just not the case at all. Have you ever began to think that maybe they're just all bullshit PIS feats? ESPECIALLY the fight he had with Zeus where he pretty much stalemated him?

Thor isn't skyfather level no matter how much you twist and weave his feats around to make your arguments valid. Erik CAN beat Thor, and has done so more than once. Yes, that's right, a lowly mutant can beat the Asgardian god of thunder. I never said anything about Magneto beating Thor for the majority, but yes he can beat him. Thor takes the majority on Erik, but not EVERY fight. And saying so would just be ignorant to BOTH of the character's history.

Okay, since you seem so adamant on the whole "speedblitzing" thing, produce ONE scan of him speedblitzing anybody in his forty+ year history. Yeah, he's fought people who can travel faster than light (Gladiator and Silver Surfer), but where exactly did they travel that fast in the encounters they've had? That's one of the major flaws in your entire argument. You seem to think that every fight Thor's had with them have all been over light speed. That's so far from the truth it's not even funny. Okay, well maybe it is a little funny. 😆 Thor has NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER (I'm hoping you get my point by now) shown to be able to fight at faster than light speeds. I mean for Christ's sake, the guy has trouble hitting Spider-man, Mongoose, and even DAREDEVIL. On average, the guy is about the speed of sound (without tossing the hammer), but Magneto has shown to go at Mach 100 before. Thor isn't the speedblitzing type, and wherever you got that idea is simply beyond me. If Northstar or Quicksilver couldn't speedblitz Erik, then you can be damn sure that Thor couldn't either.

Did I say Thor couldn't beat Magneto? No, in fact I said Thor would take the majority over Erik earlier in this thread. You've got to read better, Jack. 😛 Thor can do many things to Magneto, you're correct on that one. However, just as Thor can do things like that to Magneto, Erik can take control over the hammer and make it void. Thor's main disadvantage (not exactly a DISADVANTAGE really, just a slight hindrance because as I said, Thor takes the majority on Magneto) on Magneto is the fact that Mjolnir is made out of uru.

All of that doesn't make the fact that Magneto has taken it to Thor in every single encounter they've ever had, now does it? And you know just as I do that the Exitar and Galactus feats are all bullshit, so you can just stop with that.

Yeah, most every hero holds back. This is nothing new. I don't see how this supports your arguments.

Nope, sorry. The elemental four would beat Thor for the majority.

PS: You know I luvs ya Newjak. 😛

Originally posted by batdude123
😆 hysterical2

Okay, I think you've made it blatantly obvious that you don't read many Thor comics. Regardless of whether you like it or not, Magneto has been shown to take control of the hammer TWICE on separate occasions, so there goes that argument right out the window. Thor even comments on it...

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/MightilyOats/Magneto87.jpg

Did you happen to catch that? "By Odin's beard!!! Not even heaven-forged Mjolnir is immune to his mutant power!!"

If that's not enough for you, I've got more.

http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=journeyintomystery10909bu8.jpg
http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=journeyintomystery10910lw1.jpg

Bottom line: No matter what you think of the subject, Erik is able to magnetically grasp Mjolnir. NEXT!!! 🙄

So what if Juggernaut couldn't do anything to Mjolnir? I understand you have a boner for Cain (😛), but this doesn't prove anything at all. Does Juggernaut have electromagnetic manipulation? Yeah... DIDN'T THINK SO!!! And congratulations on using a "What If" in this debate. 😉

The problem with Thor on this forum is that we don't use him how he's portrayed on average. We take him as an Exitar smashin', Galactus chasin', Earth liftin', god blastin' invincible guy which is just not the case at all. Have you ever began to think that maybe they're just all bullshit PIS feats? ESPECIALLY the fight he had with Zeus where he pretty much stalemated him?

Thor isn't skyfather level no matter how much you twist and weave his feats around to make your arguments valid. Erik CAN beat Thor, and has done so more than once. Yes, that's right, a lowly mutant can beat the Asgardian god of thunder. I never said anything about Magneto beating Thor for the majority, but yes he can beat him. Thor takes the majority on Erik, but not EVERY fight. And saying so would just be ignorant to BOTH of the character's history.

Okay, since you seem so adamant on the whole "speedblitzing" thing, produce ONE scan of him speedblitzing anybody in his forty+ year history. Yeah, he's fought people who can travel faster than light (Gladiator and Silver Surfer), but where exactly did they travel that fast in the encounters they've had? That's one of the major flaws in your entire argument. You seem to think that every fight Thor's had with them have all been over light speed. That's so far from the truth it's not even funny. Okay, well maybe it is a little funny. 😆 Thor has NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER (I'm hoping you get my point by now) shown to be able to fight at faster than light speeds. I mean for Christ's sake, the guy has trouble hitting Spider-man, Mongoose, and even DAREDEVIL. On average, the guy is about the speed of sound (without tossing the hammer), but Magneto has shown to go at Mach 100 before. Thor isn't the speedblitzing type, and wherever you got that idea is simply beyond me. If Northstar or Quicksilver couldn't speedblitz Erik, then you can be damn sure that Thor couldn't either.

Did I say Thor couldn't beat Magneto? No, in fact I said Thor would take the majority over Erik earlier in this thread. You've got to read better, Jack. 😛 Thor can do many things to Magneto, you're correct on that one. However, just as Thor can do things like that to Magneto, Erik can take control over the hammer and make it void. Thor's main disadvantage (not exactly a DISADVANTAGE really, just a slight hindrance because as I said, Thor takes the majority on Magneto) on Magneto is the fact that Mjolnir is made out of uru.

All of that doesn't make the fact that Magneto has taken it to Thor in every single encounter they've ever had, now does it? And you know just as I do that the Exitar and Galactus feats are all bullshit, so you can just stop with that.

Yeah, most every hero holds back. This is nothing new. I don't see how this supports your arguments.

Nope, sorry. The elemental four would beat Thor for the majority.

PS: You know I luvs ya Newjak. 😛

I too posted, just in case you missed that. Also, I will tend to your post when I'm on a proper computer, and not my cell phone.

Originally posted by batdude123
😆 hysterical2

Okay, I think you've made it blatantly obvious that you don't read many Thor comics. Regardless of whether you like it or not, Magneto has been shown to take control of the hammer TWICE on separate occasions, so there goes that argument right out the window. Thor even comments on it...

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/MightilyOats/Magneto87.jpg

Did you happen to catch that? "By Odin's beard!!! Not even heaven-forged Mjolnir is immune to his mutant power!!"

If that's not enough for you, I've got more.

http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=journeyintomystery10909bu8.jpg
http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=journeyintomystery10910lw1.jpg

Bottom line: No matter what you think of the subject, Erik is able to magnetically grasp Mjolnir. NEXT!!! 🙄

So what if Juggernaut couldn't do anything to Mjolnir? I understand you have a boner for Cain (😛), but this doesn't prove anything at all. Does Juggernaut have electromagnetic manipulation? Yeah... DIDN'T THINK SO!!! And congratulations on using a "What If" in this debate. 😉

The problem with Thor on this forum is that we don't use him how he's portrayed on average. We take him as an Exitar smashin', Galactus chasin', Earth liftin', god blastin' invincible guy which is just not the case at all. Have you ever began to think that maybe they're just all bullshit PIS feats? ESPECIALLY the fight he had with Zeus where he pretty much stalemated him?

Thor isn't skyfather level no matter how much you twist and weave his feats around to make your arguments valid. Erik CAN beat Thor, and has done so more than once. Yes, that's right, a lowly mutant can beat the Asgardian god of thunder. I never said anything about Magneto beating Thor for the majority, but yes he can beat him. Thor takes the majority on Erik, but not EVERY fight. And saying so would just be ignorant to BOTH of the character's history.

Okay, since you seem so adamant on the whole "speedblitzing" thing, produce ONE scan of him speedblitzing anybody in his forty+ year history. Yeah, he's fought people who can travel faster than light (Gladiator and Silver Surfer), but where exactly did they travel that fast in the encounters they've had? That's one of the major flaws in your entire argument. You seem to think that every fight Thor's had with them have all been over light speed. That's so far from the truth it's not even funny. Okay, well maybe it is a little funny. 😆 Thor has NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER (I'm hoping you get my point by now) shown to be able to fight at faster than light speeds. I mean for Christ's sake, the guy has trouble hitting Spider-man, Mongoose, and even DAREDEVIL. On average, the guy is about the speed of sound (without tossing the hammer), but Magneto has shown to go at Mach 100 before. Thor isn't the speedblitzing type, and wherever you got that idea is simply beyond me. If Northstar or Quicksilver couldn't speedblitz Erik, then you can be damn sure that Thor couldn't either.

Did I say Thor couldn't beat Magneto? No, in fact I said Thor would take the majority over Erik earlier in this thread. You've got to read better, Jack. 😛 Thor can do many things to Magneto, you're correct on that one. However, just as Thor can do things like that to Magneto, Erik can take control over the hammer and make it void. Thor's main disadvantage (not exactly a DISADVANTAGE really, just a slight hindrance because as I said, Thor takes the majority on Magneto) on Magneto is the fact that Mjolnir is made out of uru.

All of that doesn't make the fact that Magneto has taken it to Thor in every single encounter they've ever had, now does it? And you know just as I do that the Exitar and Galactus feats are all bullshit, so you can just stop with that.

Yeah, most every hero holds back. This is nothing new. I don't see how this supports your arguments.

Nope, sorry. The elemental four would beat Thor for the majority.

PS: You know I luvs ya Newjak. 😛

I have, and I call BS. Why would Thor have trouble attaining Mjolnir from one such as Magneto, when on more recent occasions he has shown to be able to easily attain it from a far superior being in Silver Surfer?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsSurferfirstbattle10.jpg

Lets say we go by the superior feat, and assume Thor could attain Mjolnir from Magneto as easily as he did against Surfer.

Isn't that the problem with most characters. For example; how often does Superman speedblitz in comics? Not very much, however that doesn't keep posters from screaming that very tactic the minute hes thrown in a comic.

I wouldn't call them bullshit feats just as I wouldn't call Hal, Kyle, Surfer, or Superman's higher feats bullshit. Also, Thor is portrayed much more powerful an average in his own comics than he's is in Avengers comics.

Your correct, Thor isn't skyfather. However he's still at the very top of the list when compared to other top tier characters. I doubt Magneto can defeat Thor when both characters are utilizing their abilities to the fullest. Yes Magneto has bested the superior Thor in comics, but The X men have done the same to Magneto. Now put Magneto in a vs battle with the x men in this forum, and I doubt the X Men pull out a single win.

How would we know how fast the characters are battling unless specifically stated on panel? We wouldn't know if they were fighting at FTL speeds or not, only that they were fighting fast. You can't say they weren't fighting that fast, just as I can't say they were fighting at ftl speeds. However Surfer drawn in blurs with streaks behind him indicate to me that Surfer was utilizing his speed in some manner.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsSurferfirstbattle4.jpg

On average most characters with FTL reflexes are shown to be about the speed of sound, even Superman and Surfer. Also, using low showings to boost your argument really isn't fair. 😬

Thor doesn't need his hammer to defeat Magneto.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/BetaThor1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/BetaThor2.jpg

You consider Thor cracking Exitars dome and nearly killing Galactus bullshit, yet you sit well with Magneto manipulating Mjolnir?

Thor takes the majority.

I dont see Thor winning this fight

He might kill a couple but all four will beat him every single time

How is he gonna kill Iceman

Team 10/10

Originally posted by Kaos sebaceous
I dont see Thor winning this fight

He might kill a couple but all four will beat him every single time

How is he gonna kill Iceman

Team 10/10

That does bring up a pretty big point could Iceman survive being turned into something other than H2O

By the way BD I replied to your post but it kept me from posting it 🙁
Saying it was too long.

So you suck and I'll give the condensed version because I don't want to write it all out again.

Thor can speedblitz because he has shown travel speed at FTL even if he has never done it in a comic as provded by KMC rules he can. All he ahs to do is let the Hammer fly around him at its top speed.

That What If was simply everyone being their current power levels but with the Juggernaut without TP weakness and conquering a world. Not to far fetched since Cain Marko has taken over a planet before 😉

I never said Thor was Skyfather I simply said even a skyfather couldn't keep the Hammer from Thor you should know the difference 😉

And that was about it Suoja covered everything else.

Oh yes I also was going to post I luv ya too man 😛