The Devil makes no sense!
The Devil is a fallen angel that challenged God.
But angels cannot be tempted and are pure goddess! They don't have the ability to be bad!! It doesn't make sense!
I don't see how one who is so good can become so bad. It doesn't make sense. The Devil is defined as pure evil. Surely there is good in him.
Originally posted by BlackC@
The Devil is a fallen angel that challenged God.But angels cannot be tempted and are pure goddess! They don't have the ability to be bad!! It doesn't make sense!
I don't see how one who is so good can become so bad. It doesn't make sense. The Devil is defined as pure evil. Surely there is good in him.
...you are assuming that angels can not be tempted. Why?
Seeing as Lucifer was an angel and the bible is kinda the authority on angels, doesn't that mean that maybe your assumption is wrong? That angels can be tempted?
Originally posted by Council#13Tr00f!
Name a religon that does. 😬
Originally posted by Bardock42Does the Bible actually go into the fall of Lucifer, because I always thought that was just something passed down through Tradition.
...you are assuming that angels can not be tempted. Why?Seeing as Lucifer was an angel and the bible is kinda the authority on angels, doesn't that mean that maybe your assumption is wrong? That angels can be tempted?
Originally posted by Council#13
Name a religon that does. 😬
I can't, really. I sort of tend to support Richard Bach's teachings (Illusions: the adventures of a reluctant Messiah is one of my must-have books) and according to Wikipedia, his teachings fall under the domain of non-dualism, which, as far as I can figure it out, basically means you are not born good or evil, you are born with a choice, and what you do with that choice is up to you.
The metaphor he uses, which I like, is that choice (in other words, your life) is like going to a movie: some people like watching horrors, some like comedies, others adventure stuff, or tragedies, etc. The thing is, people become so involved in the movies (their lives, in this instance) that they forget that they have a choice, and that they can change their minds any time they feel like it.
They feel like awkward getting up in the middle of a movie and just walking out, the same as they feel a bit scared just choosing to change the direction of their lives (maybe they feel embarrassed, because it means they made a wrong choice?)
The thing is, it's just a choice -AND YOU ALWAYS HAVE A CHOICE! You can turn around your life anytime you feel like it, yet people will come up to you and complain about how meaningless and empty their lives are.
Ha. I just laugh at them. "Sorry to hear about your problems" I say, with the emphasis on YOUR.
The other religion I sort of favour is Buddhism. I don't know much about it, but the little I know, I like.
Question:
Is there such a thing as Individualism? I believe I am an individual, and I am on a journey to learn and to have fun, and that this is an eternal journey. I believe that we are placed on this earth because there is something specific we need to learn, or to teach, and that once our mission is done, we move on.
Is it weird not to be scared of death? I am not advocating actively seeking death, I love my life (this adventure) too much - there are so many things I still want to experience and learn!
But ever since I was small, I have known that we all die - and for some reason that does not scare me - any more than going on a great, strange new adventure would scare me.
Does this make me weird? Or just realistic?
You decide.
PS By the way, have you ever met somebody and immediately you just clicked? It's like you've known each other your whole lives? Or have you ever met somebody and just felt the hair on the back of your neck rise? Do you think these people might be people you might have met previously? And that some of these people were your friends, or your enemies?
I'm not a big believer of reincarnation, but sometimes I do wonder - if our souls are eternal, and the journey is endless - is it possible that we might run into the same people, over and over again?
Just a thought to ponder...
Originally posted by Bardock42
...you are assuming that angels can not be tempted. Why?Seeing as Lucifer was an angel and the bible is kinda the authority on angels, doesn't that mean that maybe your assumption is wrong? That angels can be tempted?
God gave one angel and one angel only, the power of temptation and the absolute free will and power to choose between good and evil.
The angel was named Lucifer. I am sure you know the rest of the story 😉
Originally posted by Kaldorei
[b]God gave one angel and one angel only, the power of temptation and the absolute free will and power to choose between good and evil.
The angel was named Lucifer. I am sure you know the rest of the story 😉 [/B]
Originally posted by Regret
Where do you get this idea? Biblical reference please.
Originally posted by muslimscholar
thats because he was not an angel he was a jinn he was created from smokeless fire whereas angels are created from light and humans are created from clay
Yes, yes, we all know your myth...
But according to your legend, Lucifer then is evil by default, and not by free will...so it's not his fault he is evil, it's God. God made him evil, because God made jinn out of smokeless fire., and not pure light.
(as if light is always a good thing, go near the sun and you will be destroyed)
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yes, yes, we all know your myth...But according to your legend, Lucifer then is evil by default, and not by free will...so it's not his fault he is evil, it's God. God made him evil, because God made jinn out of smokeless fire., and not pure light.
(as if light is always a good thing, go near the sun and you will be destroyed)
He he. Good response.
This thing about free will seem to trip most people up... especially Christians.
Re: The Devil makes no sense!
Originally posted by BlackC@
The Devil is a fallen angel that challenged God.But angels cannot be tempted and are pure goddess! They don't have the ability to be bad!! It doesn't make sense!
I don't see how one who is so good can become so bad. It doesn't make sense. The Devil is defined as pure evil. Surely there is good in him.
It's a metaphor for a child that rebels against the father. There is no such person a Satan, or the devil.
Originally posted by Kaldorei
[b]
Ezekiel 28:15-17
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Matthew 13:38-39;
I Peter 5:8;
Revelation 9:11; 12:9-10 [/B]
Ezekiel 28:15-17
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.Matthew 13:38-39
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.1 Peter 5:8
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:Revelation 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.Revelation 12:9-10
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
None of these support this idea:
Originally posted by Kaldorei
God gave one angel and one angel only, the power of temptation and the absolute free will and power to choose between good and evil.
In fact Revelation 12:9 states "and his angels were cast out with him.", inferring more than just Satan had the ability.