A full potential Flash would be a very very VERY hard character to stop. Far from being merely a 'fast runner,' Wally is really a Kinetic god to say the least. And with the whole Speed Force Deus ex Machina going for him, it will take much more than Superman to stop him.
To be honest Superman would probably be one of the first to die (and there are various ways that this could be achieved by a full-potential Flash).
As some poster correctly stated, the FP Flash (it really doesn't have to be Braniac controlling him ....if Wally was bloodlusted he could do this just as easy) would have to take out all of the truly powerful Mages. Reason being that if a strong telepath (e.g. Martian Manhunter) sends a thought-message to a strong mage (e.g. Zatanna or Fate), the mage could eliminate the Flash with a thought or a word ....from anywhere on Earth.
The only problem here would be if the fP Flash is moving so fast he is everywhere at the same time (like happened in Kingdom Come), which would mean he would be defeating everyone at the same instance!
Another way for the FP Flash to be brought down would be if one of the GLs managed to send off a message to Oa, bringing down several Green Lanterns (or, worst-case, one or more Guardians). A Guardian is no joke, and if someone like Ganthet decided to hover around lunar orbit and start searching for the Flash on Earth, then the Flash may have a problem or two going on for him. Ganthet is no joke.
Although the question is ....would ganthet be prepared to intervene in such a case? There are cases where guardians have stepped in for far less, and other cases where whole systems have been destroyed while they sit back and watch.
I really doubt FP Flash could take over the Earth .....there are some characters he simply couldn't be able to engage (e.g. those who reside in heaven, hell, or other dimensions ....and simply come to this earth for their own purposes .....a good example being Zauriel. Taking him out may bring on the Heavenly Host, and if those are taken out it would just escalate until you see someone like Michael or the Spectre stepping in .....and I don't care how Full Potential Flash is, he is going down).
Same could be said about some of the denizens of hell that still have attachments on Earth.
Anyways, all things being equal, this FP Flash (be it Wally on a bad day, or Braniac taking over his mind ....or even if XMeat managed to get Flash powers and .....erm ....scratch that) should be able to take out MOST of the characters in the World. But sooner or later something would have to give ....he would either take someone out who has far more powerful 'friends,.'
On the other hand, it would be hard for most characters to stop the Flash ....thus, he mayvery well win.
Unless one starts bringing in other Deus Ex machina characters (e.g. PC Superman, PC Composite Superman, Michael, etc) then it is very possible that the Flash may very well win.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Scary stuff. A Sun-dipped Superman/Martian Manhunter Combo would be our best hope.
Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
I think this Flash would pretty much be the KMC Flash, constantly using all of his potential. Hell, this could even be Great_Dane Flash...Multiverse is dropped on DC Earth's domepiece.
I doubt it's Great Dane flash. 🙄 According to dane, Flash can beat Spectre. 😆
Originally posted by spetznaz
A full potential Flash would be a very very VERY hard character to stop. Far from being merely a 'fast runner,' Wally is really a Kinetic god to say the least. And with the whole Speed Force Deus ex Machina going for him, it will take much more than Superman to stop him.To be honest Superman would probably be one of the first to die (and there are various ways that this could be achieved by a full-potential Flash).
As some poster correctly stated, the FP Flash (it really doesn't have to be Braniac controlling him ....if Wally was bloodlusted he could do this just as easy) would have to take out all of the truly powerful Mages. Reason being that if a strong telepath (e.g. Martian Manhunter) sends a thought-message to a strong mage (e.g. Zatanna or Fate), the mage could eliminate the Flash with a thought or a word ....from anywhere on Earth.
The only problem here would be if the fP Flash is moving so fast he is everywhere at the same time (like happened in Kingdom Come), which would mean he would be defeating everyone at the same instance!Another way for the FP Flash to be brought down would be if one of the GLs managed to send off a message to Oa, bringing down several Green Lanterns (or, worst-case, one or more Guardians). A Guardian is no joke, and if someone like Ganthet decided to hover around lunar orbit and start searching for the Flash on Earth, then the Flash may have a problem or two going on for him. Ganthet is no joke.
Although the question is ....would ganthet be prepared to intervene in such a case? There are cases where guardians have stepped in for far less, and other cases where whole systems have been destroyed while they sit back and watch.
I really doubt FP Flash could take over the Earth .....there are some characters he simply couldn't be able to engage (e.g. those who reside in heaven, hell, or other dimensions ....and simply come to this earth for their own purposes .....a good example being Zauriel. Taking him out may bring on the Heavenly Host, and if those are taken out it would just escalate until you see someone like Michael or the Spectre stepping in .....and I don't care how Full Potential Flash is, he is going down).
Same could be said about some of the denizens of hell that still have attachments on Earth.Anyways, all things being equal, this FP Flash (be it Wally on a bad day, or Braniac taking over his mind ....or even if XMeat managed to get Flash powers and .....erm ....scratch that) should be able to take out MOST of the characters in the World. But sooner or later something would have to give ....he would either take someone out who has far more powerful 'friends,.'
On the other hand, it would be hard for most characters to stop the Flash ....thus, he mayvery well win.
Unless one starts bringing in other Deus Ex machina characters (e.g. PC Superman, PC Composite Superman, Michael, etc) then it is very possible that the Flash may very well win.
For the sake of arguement, let's assume Earth is isolated from everything else. Otherwise, eventually, The Presence, or the heavenly host, etc, will take notice and put a stop to this. Now, with that stip in, if he plans this right, and takes out the right people, (IE: mages, warpers, telepaths, Batman 😄 first), he could easily win out. Though, if he has to fight the villains too, he's probably gonna go down eventually. Or is that not a consideration?
Originally posted by spetznaz
As some poster correctly stated, the FP Flash (it really doesn't have to be Braniac controlling him ....if Wally was bloodlusted he could do this just as easy)
Actually the reason I chose Brainiac and gave him data on every Flash feat in history was because Wally and most other Flashes aren't quite smart (or simply don't know enough about) the SpeedForce to use it to its full potential.
Re: SuperFlash
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosA powerful Mage, or Zoom.
Brainiac captures Flash and digs out his brain so that he can place his own brain within.He learns about his powers for 1 year (by analysing the feats of all previous Flashes including Wally) to gain mastery of them.
So when he arrives on an unsuspecting DCEarth who can stop him and who would be able to match him?
Depends on the Amazo. Regular, run of the mill Amazo? The Amazo that was beating 40+ JLA members? Red Tornado Amazo? or......JLU Amazo? (scratch that. That bastard was almost Skyfather level. 😛 He'd win for sure. )
the reason I asked about the villains, is because Zoom may not be a factor. Especially if it's only the heroes he's fighting.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
If you mean JLU amazo, then I already said scratch him. 😛 As for the others, ask Sym. It's his thread.
At this point I'll take anything that wouldn't be considered spite.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
So Sym, are the villains targets as well? Or just the heroes?
Its who can stop him good or bad.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
If you mean JLU amazo, then I already said scratch him. 😛 As for the others, ask Sym. It's his thread.
My Bad, I thought Sym had said it, not your good self.
If we can have Amazo then, I would go with that, High level mages also but I have a feeling Brainiac would go after them first.