Originally posted by Board WalkerYou still haven't explained how he is going to beat POWER, Deadman, any mage that happens to be outside of the physical world, doomsday who would just keep evolving until he has enough speed or power to defeat him, Amazo ,and wave rider, among others. This flash isn't that hard to beat.
This is non sense I say!Those flashes were not using the speed force to full potential thats why 😛
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You still haven't explained how he is going to beat POWER, Deadman, any mage that happens to be outside of the physical world, doomsday who would just keep evolving until he has enough speed or power to defeat him, Amazo ,and wave rider, among others. This flash isn't that hard to beat.
Power...you say...Kinetic mastery is power.
He could use the kinetic energy of the omniverse in any space, area, molecule, fist he chooses.
Think of an IMP but powered up by infinite.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Power...you say...Kinetic mastery is power.He could use the kinetic energy of the omniverse in any space, area, molecule, fist he chooses.
Think of an IMP but powered up by infinite.
You do realize that the Heroes of Wonder World are far superior to even the fullest of potential Earth Heroes. Think JLA 1million times ten. POWER would destroy even this flash before he had time to move. POWER can run perpendicular to time to any point he chooses. And was powerful enough to juice up the purple ray to give 6 billion people an evolutionary jump.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You do realize that the Heroes of Wonder World are far superior to even the fullest of potential Earth Heroes. Think JLA 1million times ten. POWER would destroy even this flash before he had time to move. POWER can run perpendicular to time to any point he chooses. And was powerful enough to juice up the purple ray to give 6 billion people an evolutionary jump.
thats just it Nvr, with full mastery and one-ness with the speed force, no one will be moving, no one will be thinking, existing, etc. It will be like theoretical absolute zero, nothing will be happening. Only flash will exist.
Originally posted by Board Walker
thats just it Nvr, with full mastery and one-ness with the speed force, no one will be moving, no one will be thinking, existing, etc. It will be like theoretical absolute zero, nothing will be happening. Only flash will exist.
The Speed force has never been shown to give that much control over kinetics. Also, Power is a superior user of Speed. He is simply to powerful for flash. Deadman doesn't need kinetics to move. He operates in the spiritual. Amazo can tap the same speed force and has other powers to boot. He only need tap the speed force to move his mouth enough to get one of zatanna's spells out. shalf kaerb gel, or how ever she does it and it's over.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Speed force has never been shown to give that much control over kinetics. Also, Power is a superior user of Speed. He is simply to powerful for flash. Deadman doesn't need kinetics to move. He operates in the spiritual. Amazo can tap the same speed force and has other powers to boot. He only need tap the speed force to move his mouth enough to get one of zatanna's spells out. shalf kaerb gel, or how ever she does it and it's over.
Kinetics is not just speed
Power, strength, thought, speed, are all products of kinetics.
The Speed force is the kinetics of DC.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Kinetics is not just speedPower, strength, thought, speed, are all products of kinetics.
The Speed force is the kinetics of DC.
Your trying to apply theoretical principles to something that hasn't ever been shown to be part of comics principle and is highly debateable even in the real world. Does one really need kinetics to think? I doubt it. Especially in the comics world. and surely one does not need kinetics in the spiritual world. My list was sufficiant enough to beat even the tuffest flash. POWER aka Glimmer is enough. As is amazo,doomsday, or deadman. Even zoom and waverider are beyond flash. They operate thru time. Time manipulation trumps kinetic manipulation anyday.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Is Kingdom Come admissable for the thread, sym? Cause he has a point. There might not BE a way to beat Flash if he can do that kind of thing.
To be honest, I think that the feat done by KC Flash should be allowed on ANY Flash discussion thread.
Why, when 'other realm/alternate reality' showings are generally not allowed?
Well, because KC Flash was not doing anything that a Flash (particularly Wally) could not do. He was simply the Flash using his SF powers to (or near) their max.
And to be honest in normal continuity 'normal' Flash has done similar (if not greater) feats ....e.g. when he stopped the Earth's rotation (and time) through speed force manipulation.
The thing about KC Flash that really stood out was him moving so fast he was literally everywhere at the same time.
'Normal' Flash has done similar ...for instance when he rescued those people in the N.Korean city while a nuke was exploding.
For him to rescue 500,000 people, and take them miles away. And for him to move those people in 2s and 3s (meaning he had to make several trips). And also note that those people were not all lined up .....they were dispersed all over, meaning that the Flash had to SEARCH for them.
And he did this in 0.001 (or was it 0.0001) of a second!
To do so, he was moving so fast that he was quite literally everywhere at the same time.
There is not difference between regular Flash and KC Flash, and of all the 'alternate' version characters KC Flash is quite literally normal Flash.
Originally posted by spetznaz
To be honest, I think that the feat done by KC Flash should be allowed on ANY Flash discussion thread.
Why, when 'other realm/alternate reality' showings are generally not allowed?Well, because KC Flash was not doing anything that a Flash (particularly Wally) could not do. He was simply the Flash using his SF powers to (or near) their max.
And to be honest in normal continuity 'normal' Flash has done similar (if not greater) feats ....e.g. when he stopped the Earth's rotation (and time) through speed force manipulation.
The thing about KC Flash that really stood out was him moving so fast he was literally everywhere at the same time.
'Normal' Flash has done similar ...for instance when he rescued those people in the N.Korean city while a nuke was exploding.
For him to rescue 500,000 people, and take them miles away. And for him to move those people in 2s and 3s (meaning he had to make several trips). And also note that those people were not all lined up .....they were dispersed all over, meaning that the Flash had to SEARCH for them.
And he did this in 0.001 (or was it 0.0001) of a second!
To do so, he was moving so fast that he was quite literally everywhere at the same time.There is not difference between regular Flash and KC Flash, and of all the 'alternate' version characters KC Flash is quite literally normal Flash.
.....say what? shocking YOU MEAN THAT'S NOT EXCLUSIVE TO THE KINGDOM COME SERIES!? THAT WHAT WE SAW WAS THE ACTUAL FULL POTENTIAL OF THE FLASH?! scared OMG.......DC Earth is royally ****ed........ tv_horror You do realize what you just did by posting this? You just proved Great_Dane right. You have basically spelled out, that full potential Flash is almost completely unstoppable. MY GOD, WHAT HAVE WE UNLEASHED?! tv_horror scared
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
.....say what? shocking YOU MEAN THAT'S NOT EXCLUSIVE TO THE KINGDOM COME SERIES!? THAT WHAT WE SAW WAS THE ACTUAL FULL POTENTIAL OF THE FLASH?! scared OMG.......DC Earth is royally ****ed........ tv_horror You do realize what you just did by posting this? You just proved Great_Dane right. You have basically spelled out, that full potential Flash is almost completely unstoppable. MY GOD, WHAT HAVE WE UNLEASHED?! tv_horror scared
Nothing, Becuz Amazo, Glimmer, any good mage, deadman, or wave rider would own even a full potential flash.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
.....say what? shocking YOU MEAN THAT'S NOT EXCLUSIVE TO THE KINGDOM COME SERIES!? THAT WHAT WE SAW WAS THE ACTUAL FULL POTENTIAL OF THE FLASH?! scared OMG.......DC Earth is royally ****ed........ tv_horror You do realize what you just did by posting this? You just proved Great_Dane right. You have basically spelled out, that full potential Flash is almost completely unstoppable. MY GOD, WHAT HAVE WE UNLEASHED?! tv_horror scared
I honestly do not know what Great-Dane said about the Flash (although I am quite curious), but I still stand by what I said. There would be very little difference between KMC Flash and KC Flash, and for that matter 'normal continuity' Flash has pulled off some rather far-off feats using his Speed Force Deus Ex Machina effect.
Now, I have heard some stuff on someone saying Flash could take on the Spectre, and to be honest that is a bunch of cr@p. Thus do not read my thread as saying that Flash is the be-all-and-end-all.
All I am saying is that a KMC Flash (who would be a full potential Flash) would be quite uber.
Originally posted by spetznaz
I honestly do not know what Great-Dane said about the Flash (although I am quite curious), but I still stand by what I said. There would be very little difference between KMC Flash and KC Flash, and for that matter 'normal continuity' Flash has pulled off some rather far-off feats using his Speed Force Deus Ex Machina effect.Now, I have heard some stuff on someone saying Flash could take on the Spectre, and to be honest that is a bunch of cr@p. Thus do not read my thread as saying that Flash is the be-all-and-end-all.
All I am saying is that a KMC Flash (who would be a full potential Flash) would be quite uber.
This is what Ive been saying, I agree!