A Womans Place

Started by dadudemon10 pages
Originally posted by King Kandy
Huh, and you're saying those people's rise had nothing to do with their intelligence?

Intelligence actually has just a little bit to do with genetics: everything else is what actually contributes to the vast majority of intelligence.

http://iq-test.learninginfo.org/iq03.htm

So let's go with a different choice: being born into privilage and the advantages that gives one in their endeavors has more to do with those peoples "rise." They didn't actually "rise" very far, almost every time. They did what they were expected to do.

Originally posted by XvampX666
Women have the world by the balls.

In our sexist society (biased towards the female gender), they've never had it easier. They enjoy freedom of choice in the job market, or can opt to stay at home and raise children (or do both). They are perfectly free to use marriage and divorce as businesses, enriching their personal fortunes by doing nothing more than providing sex. They are allowed to manipulate men with sex and tears to get whatever they want. They have been granted permission to usurp traditional male jobs yet still -- with bold-faced hypocrisy -- expect men to finance their social lives. They can choose to serve in the military without fear of losing their lives in combat. They expect to be able to denigrate the male gender and treat men like emotional punching bags without protest. They force men to endure "sensitivity training" to pressure them into becoming more like women.

In short, they are pampered, coddled to, and told that they deserve everything without any implication or obligation of giving anything in return.

Modern women demand all the privileges afforded their sisters in bygone eras, yet still insist on the freedoms granted by a liberated society. In other words, they want to have their cake and eat it, too; they want equal rights until the check comes.

At the heart of this mess is so-called "feminism." The post-war culture of the 1950s and '60s spawned an affluent, egocentric culture of "consciousness-raising" and liberation, spurred on by such seminal feminists as Betty Friedan (who saw the traditional wife and homemaker as a prisoner chained to the stove, hobbled by men from achieving success in the business world).

Almost overnight women wanted to work and go to college; they decided their husbands should help with cooking, cleaning and child care. Liberated women lobbied for gender equality: equal pay for equal work, equal educational and career opportunities and equal treatment under the law.

They no longer wanted to be seen by men as "sex objects," but instead as individuals independent of their gender; persons in their own right.

On the surface, this was all well and good. In a modern society, women should be treated with equality; they should be allowed to pursue whatever course they choose.

But feminism made one crucial mistake -- it failed to take into account the fundamentally self-serving nature of the female gender. For the average woman, "feminism" shortly became nothing more than a convenient excuse for getting what she wanted (usually from a man's hard work). Women began expecting to have things handed to them on a plate just because they were born female.

The battle cry of "feminism" abruptly changed from "equal pay for equal work" to "you go, girl -- you deserve it" (no matter how you get it). Suddenly it was all about "me, me, me" -- the self-indulgent bawl of a spoiled brat.

And this is exactly the problem. Modern women have demanded -- and won -- equal rights and equal pay. But they're too greedy, too materialistic, too self-absorbed, too immature, and too accustomed to using men to do anything with these rights but shoot themselves in the foot with them.

It's all come too easily for them, and, like children who have been handed everything on a plate, they've matured into abusing their privilege and demanding more and more and more.
From The Mouth Of A Feminist
Feminist author Susan Maushart (What Women Want Next) writes: "Now that women have been more or less successfully mainstreamed, the achievement feels unexpectedly hollow. For one thing, we are tired. If doing what men do on top of what women have always done is Having It All, most of us have decided we'd prefer a smaller portion."

Feminism has fizzled; it's crumbled under the weight of its own shaky foundations. So does this mean that women should go back to the kitchen? Is this where they belong, forever chained to the stove and the bedpost?

The answer -- fundamentally -- is "no." But a very cautious "no."

If women want freedom and equal rights, then they have to grow up. Equality does not mean self-entitlement, and liberation cannot be just a convenient excuse for unbridled narcissism. Men and women should be equal partners in this world, but such a lofty goal can only be achieved if women start acting like equal partners -- that is, giving instead of constantly demanding and taking.

If women want equality, they should be prepared to willingly shoulder their share of the burden. In other words, they should be ponying up their half of dating expenses, dying on the front lines, enjoying career success because of merit and hard work (not gender), and not relying on men to mop up all of life's dirty work.

If women want equality, then they should be honest and expect true equality. No longer should they be allowed to get away with the hypocrisy of acting like a traditional woman when a tire needs changing or the dinner check arrives, then crying feminism when it's time for a promotion at work.
Women Can't Have It All...
Here's what it boils down to: Women know what they want, and at the same time, have no clue what they want. They want everything both ways. But, for better or worse, they have changed the world, and if they want to profit from this change, then they need to start learning what equality really means.

If a woman chooses to stay in the kitchen, that's fine. But if she wants to hold her own in a "man's world," then she should make an honest woman out of herself. As Maushart observes, "Getting everything we wanted was the first miracle. Learning how to live with it may require a second."

Feminism doesn't WANT to be coddled to or be given asymmetric social privileges. So, no, that's not what feminists want. They feel that furthers or empowers sexism. In fact, part of the feminist movement is the equalization of male rights or social standings, as well. (Meaning, they don't want men to be required to support the family but the women to have an option, they don't want their meals always paid for, and so forth.)

It sounds like you're describing a specific type of woman you've met in your life rather than female feminists because you certainly are not describing female feminists.

Edit - Start reading here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism

Then move on to google searching feminism.

Then move on to books in a library (or digital form). After you've done that, you'll be just as familiar and educated on feminism as anyone you could meet.

Then, if you have female friends, after they try the "cake and eat it, too" approach with you, you can say, "Sorry, but you're not a feminist. In fact, you want the opposite of what feminists are working for."

Originally posted by dadudemon
Feminism doesn't WANT to be coddled to or be given asymmetric social privileges. So, no, that's not what feminists want. They feel that furthers or empowers sexism. In fact, part of the feminist movement is the equalization of male rights or social standings, as well. (Meaning, they don't want men to be required to support the family but the women to have an option, they don't want their meals always paid for, and so forth.)

It sounds like you're describing a specific type of woman you've met in your life rather than female feminists because you certainly are not describing female feminists.

Edit - Start reading here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism

Then move on to google searching feminism.

Then move on to books in a library (or digital form). After you've done that, you'll be just as familiar and educated on feminism as anyone you could meet.

Then, if you have female friends, after they try the "cake and eat it, too" approach with you, you can say, "Sorry, but you're not a feminist. In fact, you want the opposite of what feminists are working for."


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You can also try this: It has some great essays on feminism.

Must have forgotten the link: http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2010/01/feminism-101.html

A woman's place? women put up with so much shit from men it's not even funny! Valium was given out to housewifes in the 50's for a reason.

Originally posted by alltoomany
A woman's place? women put up with so much shit from men it's not even funny! Valium was given out to housewifes in the 50's for a reason.

To help curb their incessant bitching and moaning? Is it that?

Originally posted by Robtard
To help curb their incessant bitching and moaning? Is it that?

Yes! women dont ***** and moan for no reason. I only know how it is to be female..

Originally posted by alltoomany
Yes! women dont ***** and moan for no reason. I only know how it is to be female..

I know what it's like to be inside a female, so I'm a better authority here.

P.S. It's lovely.

Originally posted by Robtard
I know what it's like to be inside a female, so I'm a better authority here.

P.S. It's lovely.

jerk

Originally posted by alltoomany
jerk

Now that's just mean and hurtful 🙁

Originally posted by alltoomany
Yes! women dont ***** and moan for no reason. I only know how it is to be female..
Originally posted by Robtard
I know what it's like to be inside a female, so I'm a better authority here.

P.S. It's lovely.


crylaugh

Originally posted by Omega Vision
crylaugh

yes I must admit when reading it , it is very funny

Beyonce's new song says a lot about the ideas that are aimed at women and men about one being superior in the world. Wasn't too long ago that James Brown was singing about it being a man's world. I think what should be painfully obvious is that both women and men are equal despite being different. The ones that have high self esteem realize this, but the people who need an ego boost latch on to their gender as a way of feeling superior. A womans place is hers to choose, period.

Originally posted by The MISTER
A womans place is hers to choose, period.

A person's place should be their's to choose, period, but it is not always.

To compound Sym's point, the sky is sometimes blue?

Originally posted by XvampX666
In other words, they should be ponying up their half of dating expenses,

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That's all I want...

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I lol when people mention "equality of the sexes." When was the last time a woman held a door open for a man? Or pulled his chair out at dinner? Or stopped to help him change a flat tire?

Women play that card only when it suits them.

Robtard
I know what it's like to be inside a female, so I'm a better authority here.

P.S. It's lovely.


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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I lol when people mention "equality of the sexes." When was the last time a woman held a door open for a man? Or pulled his chair out at dinner? Or stopped to help him change a flat tire?

Women play that card only when it suits them.


The 1950s called...