Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I dunno its pretty well estabilshed that the Odin is above say Spiderman.Can you provide an argument to show how Hulk is more powerful than Juggy?
He can't which is the reason he continues to post pointless points about the president, and how Marvel can't establish their characters.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I dunno its pretty well estabilshed that the Odin is above say Spiderman.Can you provide an argument to show how Hulk is more powerful than Juggy?
Yeah, but writers (and everyone else) can't seem to agree on Juggernaut and Hulk, in terms of strength. Or Thor and Hulk. Or, heh, Daredevil and Punisher.
I don't think Hulk is more powerful than Juggernaut, but I do think he was supposed to be stronger. Stan Lee has said so, plus the fact that Juggernaut was never actually shown to increase his strength all by himself, which automatically makes Hulk stronger (potentially) than default Juggy. Another argument is that comic panels, various biographies, common mainstream perception etc have referred to him as the strongest being on earth. Not to mention all the times where Hulk was told to have "the strongest arm muscles on earth" or the strongest leg muscles" on earth.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Yeah, but writers (and everyone else) can't seem to agree on Juggernaut and Hulk, in terms of strength. Or Thor and Hulk. Or, heh, Daredevil and Punisher.I don't think Hulk is more powerful than Juggernaut, but I do think he was supposed to be stronger. Stan Lee has said so, plus the fact that Juggernaut was never actually shown to increase his strength all by himself, which automatically makes Hulk stronger (potentially) than default Juggy. Another argument is that comic panels, various biographies, common mainstream perception etc have referred to him as the strongest being on earth. Not to mention all the times where Hulk was lauded to have "the strongest arm muscles on earth" or the strongest leg muscles" on earth.
Stronger? Hulk wins that obviously but its magic that makes Juggy unstoppable not strength.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
You have no arguments. You never had. You just keep throwing red herrings and straw man fallacies.
These "red herrings" and "straw man fallacies" have sure been successful in having the majority of the posters on these boards agree with me. Also during this process I've established a fairly good name for myself. 😉
What have you done besides ruin your credibility?
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It doesn't matter. Hulk can never defeat Classic Juggernaut. And for the record, unlimited stamina means he will always be stronger than Hulk. 😛
Hulk can keep going for a very long time too.
A fight between SavageHulk and ClassicJuggy would stalemate for a long time until Savage starved to death or one of them got bored (which based on the psychology of both characters is unlikely)
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Hulk can keep going for a very long time too.A fight between SavageHulk and ClassicJuggy would stalemate for a long time until Savage starved to death or one of them got bored (which based on the psychology of both characters is unlikely)
Savage won't starve to death for the same reason that he won't tire: adrenaline +radiation. And even if, for some reason, he gets hungry, he could always eat a chunk of his own (fully regenerable) flesh.
That's why I've argued a stalemate between the two of them.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Well, yes, I know that. In fact, I said it myself.
Explain why Hulk isn't stronger here...
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Hulkernaut1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Hulkernaut2.jpg
or here
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/theincrediblehulkv2457053rd.jpg
Can you also explain why Cain Claims he continually grows stronger in this scan?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/juggernautih172d9ib.jpg
Originally posted by Soujaboy
These "red herrings" and "straw man fallacies" have sure been successful in having the majority of the posters on these boards agree with me. Also during this process I've established a fairly good name for myself. 😉What have you done besides ruin your credibility?
I honestly couldn't care less about credibilty in the eyes of a bunch of comic book geeks.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Savage won't starve to death for the same reason that he won't tire: adrenaline +radiation. And even if, for some reason, he gets hungry, he could always eat a chunk of his own (fully regenerable) flesh.That's why I've argued a stalemate between the two of them.
Unless Save Hulk just gets kthe****o'd 😐
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/incrediblehulk118200el.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/incrediblehulk118211kg.jpg
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Uhm no. The upgrade was needed because post-onslaught Hulk (or any of Peter David's interpretations of the Hulk character, for that matter) wasn't quite as strong and susceptible to rage as he used to be in the older days. Besides, Apoc used the tech to measure its potential. No other reason.
I didn't quite mean that was reason in the comic. More like a reason for the writers to get the Hulk to stop Juggernaut. Without the Celestial Tech, Hulk isn't stopping Juggernaut.
As for Juggernaut increasing his strength, I think it is possible. At least to his strength on the 8th Day.
Because on the 8th Day it was said that was how the Human Juggernaut was supposed to be. But sense Cain activated the gem early and destroyed the temple, the 8th Day wasn't able to take place.
The temple housed a form of communication that once one Gem was activated it would in turn drawn other humans to the remaining gems. Cain found the gem in the temple during a war. The temple was bombarded with artillery fire destroying the symbols that would activate the other gems.
Not to mention when he fought Thor he was more focused on completing his duty to Cyttorak, so it all depends on how you interpret the line Juggs said to Thor, "something is making me this way".
He could have meant something is making him more focused and drawing on more power, or something is making him stronger.
In Juggernaut's and Hulk's first fight, Juggernaut did mention that he was getting stronger.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Savage won't starve to death for the same reason that he won't tire: adrenaline +radiation. And even if, for some reason, he gets hungry, he could always eat a chunk of his own (fully regenerable) flesh.That's why I've argued a stalemate between the two of them.
Hulk can tire and get worn out. This is proven many times over. He healing factor does have a limit. Just take a look at Planet Hulk.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
I honestly couldn't care less about credibilty in the eyes of a bunch of comic book geeks.
"Geek"? By calling us Geeks, you've probably established yourself more a geek than any of us. Calling us geeks to feed your own insecurities. We have lived outside of comics, do you? You see I play football(starting tail back for the JV as a sophomore), run track(100 met dash, and most likely relays on JV), play basketball(point guard), etc. This is just what some of us do in our spare time. Reading and talking comics doesn't make you a geek. 🙄
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Explain why Hulk isn't stronger here...http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Hulkernaut1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Hulkernaut2.jpgor here
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/theincrediblehulkv2457053rd.jpg
Can you also explain why Cain Claims he continually grows stronger in this scan?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/juggernautih172d9ib.jpg
Certainly. And I've done so in the past. But you seem to be a hard learner.
The fight with Prof. Hulk seems to speak for itself. It's not so much that Prof. Hulk was holding back, it was just that he was trying to figure who his enemy was. Besides, he admitted that he got lazy because of The Pantheon backing him up all the time.
Also, you can ask Peter David about his intentions for the fight. But besides that, it doesn't take a scientist to know that you don't need to be stronger than someone if you have unlimited stamina and infinite durability. Add to that the fact that Prof. Hulk was basically a powered down, humanized version of Savage Hulk and you'll get the idea.
As for the War fight, do you still believe that Juggernaut's unstoppability has anything to do with strength? I take it you also believe that Flash or Quicksilver's super speed are directly proportionate to their physique? 🙄
As for the third scan, that wasn't meant to be taken too literally. I mean, my attacks can grow stronger too, within a certain margin. But let's say you're right, why didn't it take long for Hulk to overpower him, then? And if he can increase his strength at will, why couldn't he keep up with war Hulk anymore? Even if his unstoppability is a seperate power (which it is), then he could use his "ever increasing strength" help sustain his momentum. Right?
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
I didn't quite mean that was reason in the comic. More like a reason for the writers to get the Hulk to stop Juggernaut. Without the Celestial Tech, Hulk isn't stopping Juggernaut.
Speculative. He never even tried. He can, however, halt his momentum. Because he has done so.
As for Juggernaut increasing his strength, I think it is possible. At least to his strength on the 8th Day.Because on the 8th Day it was said that was how the Human Juggernaut was supposed to be. But sense Cain activated the gem early and destroyed the temple, the 8th Day wasn't able to take place.
The temple housed a form of communication that once one Gem was activated it would in turn drawn other humans to the remaining gems. Cain found the gem in the temple during a war. The temple was bombarded with artillery fire destroying the symbols that would activate the other gems.
Not to mention when he fought Thor he was more focused on completing his duty to Cyttorak, so it all depends on how you interpret the line Juggs said to Thor, "something is making me this way".
He could have meant something is making him more focused and drawing on more power, or something is making him stronger.
Sure, interpretation. That's fine. I suppose you could get that out of it. But it hasn't been backed up by Marvel just yet. Also, there are a number of questions concerning other instances. It's certainly possible, but then again, so is everything and nothing in comics.
Hulk can tire and get worn out. This is proven many times over. He healing factor does have a limit. Just take a look at Planet Hulk.
He tires, but after the fight. This makes sense, because to be able to produce adrenaline, you need nutrition. And nutrition is what helps you produce adrenaline. So basically it's a neverending cycle, until one of the elements is cut off. In other words, when Hulk calms down he tires. This has also been explained a couple of times, though there is ONE flaw that nobody ever thinks of: when the fight stops, he should be fully charged because the fight usually stops when Hulk is peaking.
Also, Planet Hulk =/= Savage Hulk/Mindless Hulk.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Certainly. And I've done so in the past. But you seem to be a hard learner.The fight with Prof. Hulk seems to speak for itself. It's not so much that Prof. Hulk was holding back, it was just that he was trying to figure who his enemy was. Besides, he admitted that he got lazy because of The Pantheon backing him up all the time.
Also, you can ask Peter David about his intentions for the fight. But besides that, it doesn't take a scientist to know that you don't need to be stronger than someone if you have unlimited stamina and infinite durability. Add to that the fact that Prof. Hulk was basically a powered down, humanized version of Savage Hulk and you'll get the idea.
As for the War fight, do you still believe that Juggernaut's unstoppability has anything to do with strength? I take it you also believe that Flash or Quicksilver's super speed are directly proportionate to their physique? 🙄
As for the third scan, that wasn't meant to be taken too literally. I mean, my attacks can grow stronger too, within a certain margin. But let's say you're right, why didn't it take long for Hulk to overpower him, then? And if he can increase his strength at will, why couldn't he keep up with war Hulk anymore? Even if his unstoppability is a seperate power (which it is), then he could use his "ever increasing strength" help sustain his momentum. Right?
No, I just take it how it was written and not how I want it to be. 😉
Why would he need to figure out who he was fighting? Does it matter, he was getting his ass handed to him and seemingly could do nothing to stop it. Finding out who the person was and is irrelevant, and doesn't change the fact that Hulk was clearly overpowered.
As you and your fellow Hulk fans have stated before, Prof. Hulk has unlimited strength. There should have been no reason besides Hulk's opponent's strength being superior that Hulk couldn't stop the assault.
Yes I do.
It was meant to be takes literally? So you would have me ignore whats stated on panel.🙄
Hulk didn't over power him, all that wa shown is that Hulk grabbed and threw him. This should have been an easy task considering Cain weighs a mere 900 pounds.
All War Hulk did was briefly slow him down and trip him.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/theincrediblehulkv2457066or.jpg
I believe that Celestails > Unlimited strength, but hey thats just me.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinIf you're referring to when he first came out of the cosmic vortex, then you need to reread Planet Hulk. The cosmic vortex that put him there similarly depowered Silver Surfer for a long while. If you're referring to after he started getting his full measure back, I don't remember a single fight where he became exhausted. In fact, he ended every single fight stronger because of his rage. If you're referring to when he conquered the world and sustained the parasitic lifeforms, then yes, he looked worn out. But you need to notice that he isn't enraged at that time. He's peaceful and in pain and not enraged in the least bit. He's also constantly healing from the damage they do to his body.
Hulk can tire and get worn out. This is proven many times over. He healing factor does have a limit. Just take a look at Planet Hulk.
So the fact that he can sustain the energy parasites while being calm AND is constantly regenerating from the damage being done while STILL being calm just goes to show you that: a) he can get tired and worn out if not enraged; b) that his healing factor does not have a limit even while calm; and c) he'd never get tired or worn out and have an insanely high regenerative capacity if he were fueled by rage. I think it is generally excepted that Hulk has a better healing capacity then Wolverine. Exponentially faster and requires just as little substance to regenerate from. It makes sense since the energy he draws from is infinite.
