Mindless Hulk and Immortal Hercules vs. Classic Juggernaut and Thor

Originally posted by Soujaboy
No, I just take it how it was written and not how I want it to be. 😉

Why would he need to figure out who he was fighting? Does it matter, he was getting his ass handed to him and seemingly could do nothing to stop it. Finding out who the person was and is irrelevant, and doesn't change the fact that Hulk was clearly overpowered.

As you and your fellow Hulk fans have stated before, Prof. Hulk has unlimited strength. There should have been no reason besides Hulk's opponent's strength being superior that Hulk couldn't stop the assault.

Because that's within his freakin' character! Prof. Hulk ain't a savage, bloodlusted beast. I suppose you could comment on the way it was written, but the intentions were clear: Hulk is reluctant to go all out against class 100 characters, because they usually aren't as invulnerable as Juggernaut is. They can be killed. That's why Juggernaut dressed up in street clothes. To fool him. Hell, Hulk even tried to save him from drowining in quicksand. Had he known that it was Juggernaut, he would've known that Juggernaut doesn't need to be saved.

And no, I've never said that Prof. Hulk has unlimited strength. Or at least I never said that he has access to it. Because he doesn't. But like all other Hulks, he has the potential. Oh yeah, one more thing: in issue 403 Hulk himself said that juggernaut couldn't have pulled it off without tricking him. Wheter that's true or not, is irrelevant. Peter David was writing the issue and his intentions were crystal clear.

Yes I do.

Yeah, that's what I was affraid of 🙁

It was meant to be takes literally? So you would have me ignore whats stated on panel.🙄

Hulk didn't over power him, all that wa shown is that Hulk grabbed and threw him. This should have been an easy task considering Cain weighs a mere 900 pounds.

No, we were shown how Marco tried to break Hulk's neck from a favourable position (knees in Hulk's back, hands on his head), but got overpowered. Simple. And Hulk nulled his leverage to boot.

All War Hulk did was briefly slow him down and trip him.

Briefly stop him from moving. He stopped him dead in his tracks.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/theincrediblehulkv2457066or.jpg

I believe that Celestails > Unlimited strength, but hey thats just me.

Sure, but that proves that Juggernaut is not unstoppable. Hell, not even a combination of so called unlimited strength and the power of momentum ad infinitum was enough to sustain that momentum.

mindless hulk does not need Hercules to destroy them two

he beat two avengers teams

team 1 for the win 9/10

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If you're referring to when he first came out of the cosmic vortex, then you need to reread Planet Hulk. The cosmic vortex that put him there similarly depowered Silver Surfer for a long while. If you're referring to after he started getting his full measure back, I don't remember a single fight where he became exhausted. In fact, he ended every single fight stronger because of his rage. If you're referring to when he conquered the world and sustained the parasitic lifeforms, then yes, he looked worn out. But you need to notice that he isn't enraged at that time. He's peaceful and in pain and not enraged in the least bit. He's also constantly healing from the damage they do to his body.

So the fact that he can sustain the energy parasites while being calm AND is constantly regenerating from the damage being done while STILL being calm just goes to show you that: a) he can get tired and worn out if not enraged; b) that his healing factor does not have a limit even while calm; and c) he'd never get tired or worn out and have an insanely high regenerative capacity if he were fueled by rage. I think it is generally excepted that Hulk has a better healing capacity then Wolverine. Exponentially faster and requires just as little substance to regenerate from. It makes sense since the energy he draws from is infinite.

My comment about Planet Hulk is more referred to his healing factor not being able to keep up after a while. Hence the name Green Scar, because he had a scar through out the first few issues. Even after one or 2 fights he still was able to heal as fast as he normally does. After the fights he wanted to rest as well.

a) he can get tired and worn out if not enraged; b) that his healing factor does not have a limit even while calm; and c) he'd never get tired or worn out and have an insanely high regenerative capacity if he were fueled by rage.

He was pretty pissed and angry when those parasites were draining his energy. You could see his fist tightening up. He just dealt with the pain. Also he took some serious hits during the fight between the pinkies and the bug things.

This also explains how is able to be KO'd. His healing factor does not have unlimited potential. Otherwise, he would have never lost to the Maestro or Onslaught and the fight would have continued till his opponents lost, not himself.

Just as radiation dissipates over time, the Hulk will eventually get tired and worn out.

Mindless Hulk and Immortal Hercules are a pretty invincible team.

First team for the majority.

You still don't get it....

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
You still don't get it....

so, which is your opinion about ?

The fact that the word INVULNERABLE apparently means nothing to you. 🙄 You could have all the hulks pounding on Juggs, and you still wouldn't hurt him. YOU CAN'T HURT THE JUGGERNAUT WITH PHYSICAL ATTACKS. There's no possible way for Hulk to win this if this is classic juggernaut. He also has unlimited stamina, something Hulk does not have, however high and vaunted his strength and endurance are. Classic Juggernaut can win this by himself, having Thor on his team is overkill. Or do you somehow think Hulk can shrug off a godblast? 🙄

Tricksterpriest, give up... You cant explain the limitless defense of Juggernaut on this forum, as everyone believes that people stronger than himself wins🙁

*sigh* I know. For a new guy, you catch on fast. 😉 Not everyone is as stubborn and dumb as the fanboys, but you see what I meant when I said don't take Fearofblood seriously? And current Juggernaut is pretty weak. Hell, even Ben Grimm beat his ass. 😆

Current Juggernaut has the Gem.

I agree with you on that, but dont call Ben weak, he is very powerful and one of my favouritecharacters🙂 And yah, KMC has special charactturns that are easy to learn and recognize😄

I know, and everyone says he will be repowered shortly. but, as Herc pointed out, until he does use it and get his rep back, by forum rules, he's still a weakass. At least for a few months at most. 😉 Ben's not really weak, but by class 100 standards, he's low tier.

True🙂

ben is weak compare to hulk,herc,thor, and juggy standard.
heh ben is weak even compare to mortal civil war hercules

Hence, the qualifier, by Class 100 standards. Guys like Thanos, Heralds, Apoc, Absorbing Man, Thor, Immortal Herc, Juggernaut, they're high end class 100. Bengy is definitely not in their league.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
My comment about Planet Hulk is more referred to his healing factor not being able to keep up after a while. Hence the name Green Scar, because he had a scar through out the first few issues. Even after one or 2 fights he still was able to heal as fast as he normally does. After the fights he wanted to rest as well.

He was pretty pissed and angry when those parasites were draining his energy. You could see his fist tightening up. He just dealt with the pain. Also he took some serious hits during the fight between the pinkies and the bug things.

This also explains how is able to be KO'd. His healing factor does not have unlimited potential. Otherwise, he would have never lost to the Maestro or Onslaught and the fight would have continued till his opponents lost, not himself.

Just as radiation dissipates over time, the Hulk will eventually get tired and worn out.

#1 Those first few fights when you say he was tired and wanted to rest? Those exact fights were when he was severely depowered having just come through the vortex. That same vortex allowed those pinkies to enslave the Silver Surfer when he fell through it. They even managed to pierce the Surfer's skin. It severely hampered his strength and healing power and the dehabilitation didn't wear off for a good week, maybe around the time where he fought the Surfer.

#2 He is not pissed in the least bit while feeding the parasites. Rage is not pain. Although having pain inflicted upon you maliciously can enrage you. Rage is being angry about something. Hulk had nothing to be angry about by feeding the parasites. Why would you be pissed off for being generous to feed a hungry entity? Even if you think I'm putting thoughts into his head just look at the comic: 1) his manner of speech is calm; 2) his demeanor is calm; 3) he talks about being magnanimous; and 4) he even manages to grin. There is no hint of rage at all. So no, his healing was not augmented in the least bit by rage. He was in his natural state. And being able to withstand the constant feeding of those parasites who endangered the entire world stands as a testament to his power.

#3 Understanding this premise, "that rage is a conscious emotion and reaction," yes, he can be K.O.'ed. But not in the way you think. It isn't because he can wear out, it's because he can be knocked unconscious and therefore be unable to feel rage. He just blacks out and falls asleep, like when he fought Namor the first time. Trust me, if you've ever been in a real fight, you could be as pissed as all hell and red-faced and ready to kill, but when someone hits you hard enough, you just slump and go down. You don't think, you don't feel, just blackness. In this way, the rage would get cut off instantly and the power augmentation stopped. The hard part with Hulk is, you've got to overwhelm his current powerlevel with a shot strong enough to do this, otherwise you'll severely piss him off and make him exponentially stronger.

#4 Radiation dissipates over time. But Hulk's source of power does not. His body is not the source of gamma radiation. He is connected to another dimension of unlimited power and he draws upon it directly. He doesn't summon it like Dr. Strange per se, but that is the source of his power. In times of rage, his body just soaks it up in spades. It is not a conscious process, only a result of his unique mutation and gamma radiation signature. That doesn't mean his body grows only stronger, when he calms down, the connection between his form and the dimension is shut off, but if he's awake and struggling, he'd never lack for power.