Spider-man vs Wolverine (fist fight)

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'd say around as much, I would be much more worried for Logan, Peter has even ignored his sense or had it negated on several occasions, but held his own with the Symbiotes.

He needs it to survive day to day, but in a situation where a person is right in front of him (and not some kinda surprise attack), it's much less needed. Healing is much more passive and always needed.

I don't know if it's been discussed, I really don't feel like getting between you and Capt. But, for what it's worth, Wolverine has proved himself a valuable asset to the X-Men even when his healing factor was removed or barely active. 😬.

And I agree, that Spiderman has probably fought without his spider sense more times than Wolverine has without his healing factor. I wholeheartedly agree that Spiderman can still hold his own in a similar fashion, whereas Logan (if he fought in the same method) would die in a few panels.

But meh, I'd say as far as 'necessary' goes, they are about equal. Imagine all the times Spidey would have been blown up/shot/ran over/phased/incinerated/captured/etc. if not for 'my spidey sense is tingling!'

Perhaps not the same number of times that Wolverine would have died if he lacked a healing factor (he does tend to take at least a mag and a half, point blank, every issue.... 🙄 ), but still often enough.

spider-man wins

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Originally posted by Soljer
Are you quite sure? I have the issue right here...sure didn't say anything about jogging loose any mind control devices.

Wham:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2521/w2413re0.jpg
Then it cuts to the gorgon/elektra fight for a little while, and then;
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8991/w2418lf4.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8084/w2419ko9.jpg
Never says a thing about jogging loose any devices. Seems like that might be a subjective interpretation....

Note that I only posted that as a joke; earlier in the thread, I mentioned that this'd be a close fight. I readily admit it was quite a low showing, considering that just earlier in the same run he was taking punches from the Thing without too much problem.

"head feels clear for the first time in a while"...

Originally posted by capt it up
yes and all agility will do is help him stay on his feat and movearound a little. agility is a really overated ability. his agility is no that much betetr then wolverines.

ya you should take that advice. Your arguing that spiderman will be landing and dodging hits with the lose of the one ability that he uses to achieve this. With out spider sense he has no means to combat the training and skill of superior fighter when speed and reflex are in his range.

I never mentioned dodging, that's your schtick.

I said Wolverine couldn't withstand multiple blows without being ko'd.

You're reaching for anything and everything and being crazy unreasonable in your explanations.

Stealth doesn't equal agility, lol, it doesn't next.

Originally posted by Soleran
I never mentioned dodging, that's your schtick.

I said Wolverine couldn't withstand multiple blows without being ko'd.

You're reaching for anything and everything and being crazy unreasonable in your explanations.

Stealth doesn't equal agility, lol, it doesn't next.

How am I unreasonable? That the highly more skill oponet is going to out fight his stronger one. wolverine can with stand multiple shots and he can damage spiderman greater then spiderman can damage him with every shot.

Originally posted by capt it up
actaully it does. In order to be stealth you need to have good agility it a key attribute.

How am I unreasonable? That the highly more skill oponet is going to out fight his stronger one. wolverine can with stand multiple shots and he can damage spiderman greater then spiderman can damage him with every shot.

Having high agility isn't required for stealth, your creating an association that doesn't exist, however this is typical.

When opponents have relatively equal stats then skill is a significant factor, when stats being skewed to favor one opponent then skill diminishs on how much return it gives in a fight. That's the case here easily.

Spiderman is More agile, is faster, stronger and so much stronger that skill won't diminish his crushing blows.

Originally posted by Soleran
Having high agility isn't required for stealth, your creating an association that doesn't exist, however this is typical.

When opponents have relatively equal stats then skill is a significant factor, when stats being skewed to favor one opponent then skill diminishs on how much return it gives in a fight. That's the case here easily.

Spiderman is More agile, is faster, stronger and so much stronger that skill won't diminish his crushing blows.

actaully it is. agility has many definition one of which is lightness of foot. In order to preform great acts of stealth one would have to be extremely agile.

spiderman more agile though not by much. He about as fast as logan so there goes that. He stronger, but he also less durable. His blows won't be to crushing when there being deflexed.

spiderman really only advantage here is his strength. Logan still ahs his senses he be reading spiderman like an open book. spiderman would be getting hit quite easily with attacks that are more damaging then his against wolverines. Not to mention wolverine can deflex and block most of spiderman attack due to his superior fight skills

funny thing is I never said wolverines wins

Originally posted by capt it up
actaully it is. agility has many definition one of which is lightness of foot. In order to preform great acts of stealth one would have to be extremely agile.

spiderman more agile though not by much. He about as fast as logan so there goes that. He stronger, but he also less durable. His blows won't be to crushing when there being deflexed.

spiderman really only advantage here is his strength. Logan still ahs his senses he be reading spiderman like an open book. spiderman would be getting hit quite easily with attacks that are more damaging then his against wolverines. Not to mention wolverine can deflex and block most of spiderman attack due to his superior fight skills

Uh first off

Spiderman is more agile then Wolverine, regardless if they are "close" Spiderman is More agile, fact.

Spiderman isn't "as fast as logan," Spiderman is faster then Logan, Logan is "nearly" as fast as Spiderman not the other way around. Another fact and leg up for Spiderman.

Spiderman is CRAZY more durable then Wolverine without his healing factor, FACT.

Wolverine wins a few and loses the majority.

Originally posted by capt it up
funny thing is I never said wolverines wins

I already addressed that as well

You typically "feat" war wolverine

You skirted the "fight" in a win, loss discussion the entire time, I already noticed that, you typically do that.

Originally posted by Soleran
Uh first off

Spiderman is more agile then Wolverine, regardless if they are "close" Spiderman is More agile, fact.

Spiderman isn't "as fast as logan," Spiderman is faster then Logan, Logan is "nearly" as fast as Spiderman not the other way around. Another fact and leg up for Spiderman.

Spiderman is CRAZY more durable then Wolverine without his healing factor, FACT.

Wolverine wins a few and loses the majority.

spiderman may be faster then wolverine. If he is it sucha slight edge would not even be a factor

actually false. spiderman is not more durable then logan. Your fact is wrong. Logan has actaully been stated as beyond human durability unlike are friend spiderman.

Originally posted by Soleran
I already addressed that as well

You typically "feat" war wolverine

You skirted the "fight" in a win, loss discussion the entire time, I already noticed that, you typically do that.

that last part made no sense.

please explain that further.

you trying to say I lose debates all the time? Or are you trying to say I never actaully state who wins?

Originally posted by Soljer
I don't know if it's been discussed, I really don't feel like getting between you and Capt. But, for what it's worth, Wolverine has proved himself a valuable asset to the X-Men even when his healing factor was removed or barely active. 😬.

And I agree, that Spiderman has probably fought without his spider sense more times than Wolverine has without his healing factor. I wholeheartedly agree that Spiderman can still hold his own in a similar fashion, whereas Logan (if he fought in the same method) would die in a few panels.

But meh, I'd say as far as 'necessary' goes, they are about equal. Imagine all the times Spidey would have been blown up/shot/ran over/phased/incinerated/captured/etc. if not for 'my spidey sense is tingling!'

Perhaps not the same number of times that Wolverine would have died if he lacked a healing factor (he does tend to take at least a mag and a half, point blank, every issue.... 🙄 ), but still often enough.

My point was that Spidersense keeps Peter alive in that day to day sense, his sense helps the most when he's in a fatal situation unprepared. In combat it diminishes him an icing percentage. A small percent, when he can still see.

Logan's healing is more passive and taking away what made him who he is (literally) is just alot more. Spiderman can still stick to walls, etc.

But I just realized how imbalanced this is. Why does Spiderman lose his Sense AND webbing, while Logan loses some of his healings (why does he keep...

*reads back*

He has NO claws either?!?! My god he loses a good majority, the poor little guy. 🙁

Originally posted by capt it up
actaully it does. In order to be stealth you need to have good agility it a key attribute.

This wrong. Stealth and agility can be mutually exclusive. They don't necessarily go hand in hand. Case in point, Reed Richards is pretty agile but is he more stealthy than Wolverine, Elektra or Daredevil? I doubt it

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I agree he's a valuable asset as well to the xmen, I won't say he's not.

My point was that Spidersense keeps Peter alive in that day to day sense, his sense helps the most when he's in a fatal situation unprepared, in combat it diminishes him an icing percentage.

Logan's healing is more passive and taking away what made him who he is (literally) is just alot more. Spiderman can still stick to walls, etc.

But I just realized how imbalanced this is. Why does Spiderman lose his Sense AND webbing, while Logan loses some of his healings (why does he keep...

*reads back*

He has NO claws either?!?! My god he loses a good majority, the poor little guy. 🙁

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Originally posted by marvelprince
This wrong. Stealth and agility can be mutually exclusive. They don't necessarily go hand in hand. Case in point, Reed Richards is pretty agile but is he more stealthy than Wolverine, Elektra or Daredevil? I doubt it

Originally posted by capt it up
thats due to lack of formul training, with it he would be

experience and training is to different things. I also argue a lot of things when others are right. You ever notice you all keep assuming I think wolverine wins with out actually having me state it.

Originally posted by capt it up
experience and training is to different things. I also argue a lot of things when others are right. You ever notice you all keep assuming I think wolverine wins with out actually having me state it.

You know full well that Logan is more trained and therefore more experienced. But since you seem mad or whatever, I'm not going to bother doing this with someone I thought was a friend of mine. 😬