Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Meh, I didn't ask him to, he has no right to try and guilt trip humanity into faith.
Yes he has every right...he created you. HE is perfection and he is better than you are.
You are nothing, you are worth nothing if you have no Faith. You should consider yourself lucky that he even acknowledges your worthless existance.
God can torture anyone he wants, because he is God. That's his job. To be better than us and superior, and to maintain his superiority by torturing and killing those who disobey and do not beleive, to remind us how worthless we all are. 🙂
Amen
God loves ya
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yes he has every right...he created you. HE is perfection and he is better than you are.You are nothing, you are worth nothing if you have no Faith. You should consider yourself lucky that he even acknowledges your worthless existance.
God can torture anyone he wants, because he is God. That's his job. To be better than us and superior, and to maintain his superiority by torturing and killing those who disobey and do not beleive, to remind us how worthless we all are. 🙂
Amen
God loves ya
It is funny, even more so when there are actually people out there who believe that kind of thing.
God is a tyrant.
Originally posted by Blaxican
OMFG PLULZ: DU'NT!EDIT: Actually no. My god will beat your god 😛
Hell is an integral part of Christian Faith, Culture, and History. Without Hell, there is nothing to be saved from, and therefore Jesus' sacrafice is meaningless.
Unless you are Universalist, and beleive that everyone will enter Heaven regardless of thier actions or being.
However, ur gonna have zealots like Marcello and JIA storm ur ass for that one....even logical Christians such as Regret and Nellinator still hold on to the notion of Hell
Not exactly true. Being saved from Hell isn't what I ever desired. Hell is inconsequential... I became a Christian to be transformed into the person I wanted to be and I developed a relationship with Christ in the process. God is about love and sincerity, not fear and backup plans. Lately the insincerity of many Christians has come up, that's not what God wants, never has been. It's important to remember that.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Hell is an integral part of Christian Faith, Culture, and History. Without Hell, there is nothing to be saved from, and therefore Jesus' sacrafice is meaningless.Unless you are Universalist, and beleive that everyone will enter Heaven regardless of thier actions or being.
However, ur gonna have zealots like Marcello and JIA storm ur ass for that one....even logical Christians such as Regret and Nellinator still hold on to the notion of Hell
Your sort of right... and sort of not. I guess I'll explain myself to the best of my ability.
JW's believe in a "hell", of sorts. However it's a bit different in that regular human beings like oruselevs do not go to hell for our sins. "Hell" is reserved for certain people, like Satan and hsi demons... and Judas, and Cain I believe. (Might have to d-check that last one...) We all sin throughout our lives and we repay our sins through death. In our religion, death is the ultimate payment for sins. This is logical I guess if you track back to Adam and Eve. they disobeyed God's command to not eat from the tree of and what was their punishment? Besides banishment Adam and Eve and "all their children" were doomed to a lfie of mortality; inevitable death.
As for Heaven we don't ALL go to heaven. Rather, afetr Armageddon and after God removes Satan from the Earth he will turn the Earth into a paradise, were there is no death, war etc... I'm sure you know the drill 🙂 .
Originally posted by Nellinator
Not exactly true. Being saved from Hell isn't what I ever desired.
You are unique then. Most Mainstream Christians are motivated by fear of Hell...no joke. No exxageration. Read any and all Christian propaganda, and you will see the threat of Hell is the most common form of persuasion.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Hell is inconsequential...
Then why does God utilize it ? 😬
If it is so inconsequential, then why do you beleive in it ?
Originally posted by Nellinator
I became a Christian to be transformed into the person I wanted to be and I developed a relationship with Christ in the process.
A relationship with Christ ? How can you form a relationship with a dead person ?
Originally posted by Nellinator
God is about love and sincerity, not fear and backup plans.
Then explain:
-Sodom and Gamorra
-The Great Flood
-The Plagues of Egypt
-The Angel of Death
-The Four Horseman of the Apocalypse
-Hell
Originally posted by Nellinator
Lately the insincerity of many Christians has come up, that's not what God wants, never has been. It's important to remember that.
Lately ?
Christians have been motivated and ruled by Fear for Centuries !
No offense to you, in all honestly, but come on.....be realistic....
Christians in power have ALWAYS used fear and intimidation as a means of controlling the masses. The sincere Christians who do act out of love are still swayed by the concept of Hell, and often push this idea on others who refuse to beleive.
I know you are not ignorant of History. You know what the Churches have been responsible for, you know what Christians have done....then and now.
Either God is not real...OR....Christians are doing a horrible job trying to serve thier deity properly.
Re: God says hes merciful and loving
Originally posted by Black Dalek
Yet if we don't believe in him, we'd suffer horrible pain for eternity. Thanks God.
if you have children you are kind to them but if they dont liten to you then you punish them
god told us to folo him because he created us when we do what he says he is merciful but if we dont then you go to hell
Re: Re: God says hes merciful and loving
Originally posted by muslimscholar
if you have children you are kind to them but if they dont liten to you then you punish them
You don't torture your children because they don't obey
Originally posted by muslimscholar
god told us to folo him because he created us when we do what he says he is merciful but if we dont then you go to hell
HE IS NOT MERCIFUL IF HE SENDS ANYONE TO HELL
THAT IS NOT MERCY....I think you have a twisted take on definitions...
Re: Re: God says hes merciful and loving
Originally posted by muslimscholar
if you have children you are kind to them but if they dont liten to you then you punish themgod told us to folo him because he created us when we do what he says he is merciful but if we dont then you go to hell
I was made by my mom and dad.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
-Sodom and Gamorra
-The Great Flood
-The Plagues of Egypt
-The Angel of Death
-The Four Horseman of the Apocalypse
-Hell
The Plagues were all acts of vengance. God may have seen them as being loving to the group that needed it.
TheAngelOfDeath . . . as in the concept of death or the final plague?
The FourHorsemen are symbloic (and invented by StJohnTheDivine)
Hell has many many interperitations if you think about it.