😆 The beauty of it is that you made the false assumption that cutting the throat is faster without backing it up. Also, you fail to realize and consider the reasons why a group is used for execution and you also apparently know absolutely nothing about stoning other than that maybe stones are used. There is no use arguing with you until you show that you have even the slightest knowledge in the area other than "bleeding makes you die".
You're a complete dumbass. The group execution was the practically first think I mentioned. Do I need to quote it for you or can you read by yourself?
This is why I don't waste my time with idiot zealots.
You claimed that Jews did not have knives, you were wrong.
You couldn't even think that a knife was used for slitting the throat of a vic, people had to be "stabbed to death."
You also claimed that the everage man did not own a knife, that is also BS for the reasons I gave.
You've made many other claims, which you haven't backed up. I've shown several evidences that refute your claims, none of which have been addressed. I'll make a list for you tommorrow. Maybe you can figure it out then. You know shit about ancient history, or you just have your head up your ass. Likely both.
Oh, I saw your tidbit on the group execution, but you got it wrong. You said "because it got the community involved" which is wrong and shows your complete lack understanding of basic psychology (which you do rather often).
Religious zealots wouldn't argue this with you... You see, what you fail to realize is that stoning was one of the best available methods. You simply want the Bible to be wrong and that is your zealotry, not mine.
I did not claim that Jews did not have knives = fail.
Nitpicking and besides a solid stab to the brain would be quicker, which is exactly the point, there are other reasons why stoning was used.
What reasons? Because Abraham had one? I hope you aren't talking about the Abraham who was lord of a household of thousands of people... and by knives I was talking about non-utilitarian knives because we all know how humane conventional knives would be...
You have yet to prove me wrong, you still know very little about anything we have talked about other than "cutting jugulars make you bleed to death" and "knives existed back then". Wow, put it in context and you haven't made a valid point yet, especially considering the fact that you still don't understand stoning or the principles behind group execution.
I suggest your starting place should be for you to look up how they actually did stonings in the majority of cases. You tell me what they did then we can actually talk about it.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yes, bloodshed, torture, dismemberment, hanging, and other forms of torment/execution are also advocated by Islam.
And you are blaming wrong doings of people on Islam which is not good. Islam does not preaches hate, killing, torture and bloodshed.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
That's exactly what the average psychopath beleives.
But even in this case, Islam allows us only to divorce a cheating wife and not beat her to death that some stupid people do.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Any logical person can see you are wrong here.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Yes, bleeding takes time. Do your research on stoning then you can talk to me. Also, think about other reasons why stoning is better than throat slitting. If you can't see it you should brush up on your knowledge of execution methods. Until then...
Bleeding takes time, yes, but a person doesn't have to wait until they are compleltly bled out till to be dead. Stoning is not an effeciant form of execution of anything, man or beast.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Yes, bleeding takes time. Do your research on stoning then you can talk to me. Also, think about other reasons why stoning is better than throat slitting. If you can't see it you should brush up on your knowledge of execution methods. Until then...
You lost all my respect when you condoned stoning...you are insane.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenI'd hold that judgement... No one here understands what stoning actually entailed apparently. It was instantaneous which is why that whole earlier argument was to my amusement. I don't condone stoning BTW, but it was the most effective method of capital punishment that there was.
You lost all my respect when you condoned stoning...you are insane.
Originally posted by Nellinator
I'd hold that judgement... No one here understands what stoning actually entailed apparently. It was instantaneous which is why that whole earlier argument was to my amusement. I don't condone stoning BTW, but it was the most effective method of capital punishment that there was.
You mean stoning as it is usually historically defined? When a group of people armed with stones propel them towards then person being stoned until the point they are dead?
Nope, stoning in Jewish law was falling from a cliff high enough to ensure instantaneous death without causing disfiguration. The Misna (I'm pretty sure it's the Mishna) outlines it and stems from the earliest tradition. However, in Jesus's time it was not always practiced as such allow it was supposed to be. Stonings in the common understanding were actually against Jewish tradition and law.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Nope, stoning in Jewish law was falling from a cliff high enough to ensure instantaneous death without causing disfiguration. The Misna (I'm pretty sure it's the Mishna) outlines it and stems from the earliest tradition. However, in Jesus's time it was not always practiced as such allow it was supposed to be. Stonings in the common understanding were actually against Jewish tradition and law.
Well that sounds like quite a balance - high enough to insure instant death but not high enough to see the body get all bloody.
Considering people can survive falling of high cliffs but die from falling down stairs it sounds like a dodgy system that could be prone to people not dying instantly at all.
Pretty much the best system out there, not 100% obviously but it humane in that it was done the swiftest way possible. If it didn't work they used over methods to make it as quick as possible. Suffering was not desired or allowed in Jewish law in cases of capital punishment. Neither was capital punishment without trial with more than two eyewitnesses. Beheading was sometimes used also, because it was swift. Slightly more gruesome but very effective was ramming a superheated metal rod into the mouth as it was instantaneous, luckily it was not so popular. Ultimately, the point is that the Bible is not promoting sadism with stoning.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Pretty much the best system out there, not 100% obviously but it humane in that it was done the swiftest way possible. If it didn't work they used over methods to make it as quick as possible. Suffering was not desired or allowed in Jewish law in cases of capital punishment. Neither was capital punishment without trial with more than two eyewitnesses. Beheading was sometimes used also, because it was swift. Slightly more gruesome but very effective was ramming a superheated metal rod into the mouth as it was instantaneous, luckily it was not so popular. Ultimately, the point is that the Bible is not promoting sadism with stoning.
Once again, two steps forward and three steps back.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Pretty much the best system out there, not 100% obviously but it humane in that it was done the swiftest way possible. If it didn't work they used over methods to make it as quick as possible. Suffering was not desired or allowed in Jewish law in cases of capital punishment. Neither was capital punishment without trial with more than two eyewitnesses. Beheading was sometimes used also, because it was swift. Slightly more gruesome but very effective was ramming a superheated metal rod into the mouth as it was instantaneous, luckily it was not so popular. Ultimately, the point is that the Bible is not promoting sadism with stoning.
Clearly.