Originally posted by TricksterPriestIs that Classic Apoc?
Sue Storm good enough? He broke out of one of her fields during Onslaught.
Also, Sue's shields, aren't as strong as Doom's personal shield.
Plus, even if Apoc could break through it like nothing, it isn't like Doom is defenseless if he didn't have his shield.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestAnd... Doom's are still more powerful...
I think it's less than he couldn't break the shields, and more that he didn't have the time to do it. He was working against the clock and breaking the shields might have alerted Onslaught earlier or cost him the time that he needed to kill Franklin. And it does look like she's shocked abit.
Also, has your opinion changed... any?
Does Apoc/Sinister still win?
They can win, but they're more likely to lose. I hate to say it, but it's partly Sinister's fault, and partly that if Apoc is taking the time to take out Doom's shields, he's leaving himself open to get blindsided. Sinister isn't powerful enough to beat either of the other team on his own, and if he goes down early, Apoc is in trouble. I'm just not sure he can beat Doom AND Magneto at the same time. But if he manages to get one of them out fast, then Apocalypse and Sinister can win. But it's more likely Sinister is not gonna last as long.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
honestly, where the hell do you see shock? she looks pissed to me, the former result of what happened is not..
In the second panel, she looks pissed, in the third, she's more "Whoa what the".
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What does Apocalypse say right after Sue makes her claim? Post the pages since you have it in front of you. Go ahead. I'll respond afterwards.
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Originally posted by Evil_Ash
[B]Apoc doesn’t want to rule the world, just make it a stronger place, he wants the best for humanity, just through not too positive means.
What ever, I stand firm with my claim. And a hypocritical world ruler.
Survival of the fitest, psh he seeks out power augmentations to reach his goals.
On his own terms, he is out classified by more then a hand full Earth 616 characters.
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Alternative realities doesn't count. And Apoc was weaker there as well.
There is a thread dedicated specifically for Magneto vs. Apo.
And I for one think Mag>Apo.
Know weather you want to count AoA or HoM ware in both instances they have directly encounter each other. Be my guest.
The fact still reminds that going by 616 display of feats and abilities, Magneto comes out on top.
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
PIS 🙄
An inferior mutant who life goal was to build the ultimate mutant…is clearly not going to lose a direct match. Riiiiggghhhttt.
Originally posted by id369
What ever, I stand firm with my claim. And a hypocritical world ruler.
Survival of the fitest, psh he seeks out power augmentations to reach his goals.On his own terms, he is out classified by more then a hand full Earth 616 characters.
There is a thread dedicated specifically for Magneto vs. Apo.
And I for one think Mag>Apo.
Know weather you want to count AoA or HoM ware in both instances they have directly encounter each other. Be my guest.
The fact still reminds that going by 616 display of feats and abilities, Magneto comes out on top.
An inferior mutant who life goal was to build the ultimate mutant…is clearly not going to lose a direct match. Riiiiggghhhttt.
Apocalypse is not interested in world domination, if anything, he's kind of the mutant Malcolm X at the moment. Before HoM, he was pleased with getting everyone to gang up and stop him, aka survival of the fittest. Now, with the mutant population at it's lowest ebb, he's trying to save mutant kind, but in his own way.
I'm not touching the mags vs. Apoc arguement right now.
AoA is an alternate universe. And no sane person counts anything in HoM as canon or valid. Considering the whole thing was the Scarlet *****'s delusions and charicatures.
Some of Magneto's feats are one time occurances and rather dubious. 2nd, Apocalypse is immortal and has unlimited stamina and incredible regeneration. If Magneto exhausts himself or gets injured, his powers weaken.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Apocalypse is not interested in world domination, if anything, he's kind of the mutant Malcolm X at the moment. Before HoM, he was pleased with getting everyone to gang up and stop him, aka survival of the fittest. Now, with the mutant population at it's lowest ebb, he's trying to save mutant kind, but in his own way.I'm not touching the mags vs. Apoc arguement right now.
AoA is an alternate universe. And no sane person counts anything in HoM as canon or valid. Considering the whole thing was the Scarlet *****'s delusions and charicatures.
Some of Magneto's feats are one time occurances and rather dubious. 2nd, Apocalypse is immortal and has unlimited stamina and incredible regeneration. If Magneto exhausts himself or gets injured, his powers weaken.
Apocalypse is obsessed with his theory of survival of the fittest. And takes a step further to ensure that only the strong survive under his rule.
But!!! Going through power augmentation only proves that he himself is not fit to lead.
And it is well known that Apocalypse is not a true immortal. The need to swap bodies emphases his own mortality. The need to enter a chamber of rejuvenation emphasizes that there is a finite use of his powers, And there is a finite amount his body can withhold before exhaustion.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Apocalypse is not interested in world domination, if anything, he's kind of the mutant Malcolm X at the moment. Before HoM, he was pleased with getting everyone to gang up and stop him, aka survival of the fittest. Now, with the mutant population at it's lowest ebb, he's trying to save mutant kind, but in his own way.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
AoA is an alternate universe. And no sane person counts anything in HoM as canon or valid.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestFunny... because MOST of Apocalypse's feats are one-time occurances!
Some of Magneto's feats are one time occurances and rather dubious. 2nd, Apocalypse is immortal and has unlimited stamina and incredible regeneration. If Magneto exhausts himself or gets injured, his powers weaken.
Originally posted by id369
An inferior mutant who life goal was to build the ultimate mutant…is clearly not going to lose a direct match. Riiiiggghhhttt.
If you know anything about Sinister. Anything at all then you should know that beating him to death is the least thing that could ever be done. 😐
Originally posted by id369
And it is well known that Apocalypse is not a true immortal. The need to swap bodies emphases his own mortality. The need to enter a chamber of rejuvenation emphasizes that there is a finite use of his powers, And there is a finite amount his body can withhold before exhaustion.
Only current Apoc had to swaps bodies.
Classic Apoc needed just to enter his rejuvenation chamber to replenish his energies.
And Apocalypse was alive for several centuries before enhancing himself with technology.
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
If you know anything about Sinister. Anything at all then you should know that beating him to death is the least thing that could ever be done. 😐
I doubt, Sinister has ever taken on a character of Nate’s calibur.
And despite his molecular control, he is neither invulnerable or immortal which is why he lost to Nates pisonically enhanced blows.
Even 616 Sinister would lose to Pre-Shaman Nate.
Originally posted by Evil_AshOnly current Apoc had to swaps bodies.
Classic Apoc needed just to enter his rejuvenation chamber to replenish his energies.
And Apocalypse was alive for several centuries before enhancing himself with technology.
His immortality in the sense of long life is ambiguous because of the intervention of technology.
Non the less his immortality in this match is a non factor, simply because I doubt he will live past this encounter.
Originally posted by id369
I doubt, Sinister has ever taken on a character of Nate’s calibur.
Does taking on a Force blast from Madelyne Pryor with the Phoenix Force count?
Originally posted by id369
And despite his molecular control, he is neither invulnerable or immortal which is why he lost to Nates pisonically enhanced blows.
Problem with that whole scene is that Sinister was BLEEDING.
Sinister was once blown to bites by Cyclops, flesh seared from his bones and all, and turned up completely healthy months later. It was later revealed that Sinister had in fact orchestrated his own death.
And Nate could beat Sinister with his pisonically enhanced punches so hard that he bleed to death? Riiiiiiiiiiigght!
Originally posted by id369
Non the less his immortality in this match is a non factor, simply because I doubt he will live past this encounter.
You also forget that Apoc has a very fast healing factor.
Mr. Sinister is not an immortal or invulnerable to attacks. Eventually he reaches his limits.
And its not like AoA Mr. Sinister, had low showing especially in ability to wield his atomic structure.
In fact he showed consistent showing to its 616 counterpart.
Yet we do know that psy enhanced blows not only increase physical strength.
Its more then likely that the constant direct hits from Nates blows (a combination of physical augmentation + energy surging), is what caused for Mr. Sinister to finally reach his the limits of his regenerating capacity.
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
You also forget that Apoc has a very fast healing factor. [/B]
Originally posted by id369
Apparently not fast enough for him to willing stand up to characters of his caliber or higher on his owns means.
Here Apoc has blowed himself up, and just regenerated from there. And he was in a weakened state.
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Here, Apoc regenerates from a puddle of ooze. Note how he’s regenerating up from liquid, his legs look more like the size of blue bones and liquid compared to his pelvic area and the holes for his legs, and parts of his body looking emaciated, the back of his head even drooping from an ooze form.
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Once again, that scan took place during the X-Cutioner's Song, same as when Apoc blowed himself up, and was severely weakened.
Now, if Apoc could regenerate that fast from just being weakened, imagine how he could do it at full power.
Apocalypse heals very fast from being stabbed through his body by one. Once again, this was also in a weakened state.
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