Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Reading this, it seems you really made someone look bad...
Reading the thread... ya...Also, what would he need to answer anyway?
Why would he need to answer either?
He made it a prerequisite.
Why are we debating my opinion on Storm's FP??? 🙄
Strawman much??
Polaris is screwed with no bloodrip.
Storm 10/10
Anyways people are gonna keep brining up your opinion of FP Storm since yo are making all these Storm threads.
Its my opinion that its worng to limit a characters power set to give the opposition a fighting chance.
Just becase you don't like the idea of a blood rip it doesn't mean its cheap. Mags and polaris with bloo rip FTW everytime.
Originally posted by bean_machine
Anyways people are gonna keep brining up your opinion of FP Storm since yo are making all these Storm threads.Its my opinion that its worng to limit a characters power set to give the opposition a fighting chance.
Just becase you don't like the idea of a blood rip it doesn't mean its cheap. Mags and polaris with bloo rip FTW everytime.
They are one-time feats.😊
I can bring up the GC and say a bloodrip working on Storm is PIS everytime.
Storm still wins. 😱
Originally posted by 2damnloud
That answer is not sufficient😐
For the record it is my opinion that FP or Storm can't become omniversal.
Just like my opinion is not enough, neither is yours on your case for a FP Storm. You have nothing to hint omniversality at all, just your opinion, and that is not good enough. No quotes or interviews to back you up on this one.
And the burden of proof is not on me to disprove your FP Storm becuase she does not exist.
If she ever does, I will eat my own words, but i am confident that Marvel writers are not stupid enough to give such a character omniversal powers.
The thing I can assure you is that all you claim of Storm can be claimed of PF.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
They are one-time feats.😊I can bring up the GC and say a bloodrip working on Storm is PIS everytime.
Storm still wins. 😱
Originally posted by TronNo SvFL
Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for,
Ok let's see...
Magneto and Polaris both have many feats to their credit which suggest that either of them are capable of manipulating the iron present inside a human body(the most convincing of which are the numerous times that they actually HAVE manipulated the iron present inside the human body). By the same token, both have numerous feats to suggest that either of them could in fact force a piece of iron through a human body. So using logic we can see that...
Numerous instances of being able to effect the iron present within a humans bloodstream + numerous instances of being able to exert more than enough force to penetrate the human body with a piece of iron=The ability to tear the iron out of someone's body.
By the same token...
Storm has show the ability to suspend things in the air with wind on numerous occasions + Storm has shown the ability to create winds that effect large/heavy objects=Storm has the ability to suspend large/heavy objects in the air(up to the limits she's shown anyway) whether she's ever actually done it to that specific object or not.
Originally posted by Tron
and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career,
Storm has shown the ability to channel as much energy as was present within the GC once(or possibly twice). Once was the GC itself, and the other possibility was inside the Trion dimension(I say possibly because we don't really know just how much power she channeled there).
Originally posted by Tron
In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities.
Which basically means that it's the characters average showings that determine what does or does not qualify as an instance of SMvF.
The average showings of Magneto and Polaris suggest that they are capable of utilizing the EM spectrum to effect metal in ways far superior to the blood rip. Now if Magneto or Polaris was suddenly written to do a blood rip on everyone in the solar system(something far beyond the abilities they normally demonstrate) without some extenuating circumstance or plot device, and never really showed that level of ability after that, THEN it would be an instance of SMvF.
The average showings of Storm suggest that her limits are far lower than was shown with the GC.
Originally posted by Tron
For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.
How many different times has Storm shown the ability to channel energy equivalent to that contained within the Galactic Core again?
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See SMvF applies to the overall POWER of a given character, not the applications of the power that's been established.
Magneto and Polaris's blood rip is a specific application of their abilities that fall well within the limits of overall power that have been established for each character.
Storm's channeling the power of the Galactic Core on the other hand, is an instance where her overall level of power is portrayed as being far beyond what she's generally recognized as having.
So basically....
Blood rip= 👆 for Magneto and Polaris by forum rules.
Channeling the power contained within the Galactic Core= 👇 for Storm by forum rules.
One more thing. Know how your always talking about Claremont being the only one who portrays Storm accurately? Well...
Originally posted by Tron
For standard debates, feats considered to fall under the SvFL exemption are not valid. Likewise, examples of writing which go against firmly set canon are also ignored. For example, in Larry Hama's run of Batman and Grell's run of Iron Man, both characters were out of character and did things very much against established canon; therefore those runs are disregarded.
That basically means that despite the level of power Claremont assigns to Storm when he's writing her, until that level is recognized ON PANEL by writers other than he(and Marvel as a whole in fact), his overblown feats are to be disregarded by forum rules(so you really shouldn't be putting so much hope in his taking charge of how Storm's portrayed).
Originally posted by darthgoober
You seem to be misunderstanding the spirit behind that particular rule. Your confusing a display of the amount of power at a characters disposal, with a specific application of that power. So let's go over it to clear things up...Ok let's see...
Magneto and Polaris both have many feats to their credit which suggest that either of them are capable of manipulating the iron present inside a human body(the most convincing of which are the numerous times that they actually HAVE manipulated the iron present inside the human body). By the same token, both have numerous feats to suggest that either of them could in fact force a piece of iron through a human body. So using logic we can see that...Numerous instances of being able to effect the iron present within a humans bloodstream + numerous instances of being able to exert more than enough force to penetrate the human body with a piece of iron=The ability to tear the iron out of someone's body.
By the same token...
Storm has show the ability to suspend things in the air with wind on numerous occasions + Storm has shown the ability to create winds that effect large/heavy objects=Storm has the ability to suspend large/heavy objects in the air(up to the limits she's shown anyway) whether she's ever actually done it to that specific object or not.
Let's see, both Magneto and Polaris have shown the ability to handle the strain of manipulating iron inside the human body on numerous occasions(and have shown the ability to manipulate iron on an even greater scale in fact).
Storm has shown the ability to channel as much energy as was present within the GC once(or possibly twice). Once was the GC itself, and the other possibility was inside the Trion dimension(I say possibly because we don't really know just how much power she channeled there).
Which basically means that it's the characters average showings that determine what does or does not qualify as an instance of SMvF.
The average showings of Magneto and Polaris suggest that they are capable of utilizing the EM spectrum to effect metal in ways far superior to the blood rip. Now if Magneto or Polaris was suddenly written to do a blood rip on everyone in the solar system(something far beyond the abilities they normally demonstrate) without some extenuating circumstance or plot device, and never really showed that level of ability after that, THEN it would be an instance of SMvF.
The average showings of Storm suggest that her limits are far lower than was shown with the GC.
Let's see, Magneto and Polaris have both manipulated the iron in someone's blood LOT'S of times now, under lot's of different writers.
How many different times has Storm shown the ability to channel energy equivalent to that contained within the Galactic Core again?
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See SMvF applies to the overall POWER of a given character, not the applications of the power that's been established.
Magneto and Polaris's blood rip is a specific application of their abilities that fall well within the limits of overall power that have been established for each character.
Storm's channeling the power of the Galactic Core on the other hand, is an instance where her overall level of power is portrayed as being far beyond what she's generally recognized as having.
So basically....
Blood rip= 👆 for Magneto and Polaris by forum rules.
Channeling the power contained within the Galactic Core= 👇 for Storm by forum rules.
One more thing. Know how your always talking about Claremont being the only one who portrays Storm accurately? Well...
That basically means that despite the level of power Claremont assigns to Storm when he's writing her, until that level is recognized ON PANEL by writers other than he(and Marvel as a whole in fact), his overblown feats are to be disregarded by forum rules(so you really shouldn't be putting so much hope in his taking charge of how Storm's portrayed).
Storm has also channeled and manipulated HIGH yields of EM energy in her body on "NUMEROUS"(ambiguous, not an actual NUMBER) occassions. This "SUGGEST" that any blood-ripping should not effect her withstanding the fact that a very, VERY strong magnetic field is involved, If it does, it is PIS. 😎 It's just like the fact that Electricity "does not harm Magneto."
Also, a huge part of the weather is Earth's Magnetic field and Electrical field(Lightning thunderstorms etc.) which Storm also channels and manips on the regular. Given the fact that they both tap into the same energy spectrum, and Ororo can go A LOT higher in this respect( GC, Space Lightning, Solar winds, Shaman's Blizzard in her body etc.) Storm cannot be directly effected by effects of the weather. EM is one of them, since the Earth's atmosphere is very electrical and EM.
Again, certain aspects of Storm's powerset are almost COMPLETELY suspended and disregarded to garner a win, whereas the Polaris can do the most LOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE, minute, detailed attacks.
Is this fair people??
NO 😱
Polaris' sole source of win is MAGNETISM which might as well be the "same" as Electricity since Magnetism is everpresent with the movement of charged particles.
Storm still kills Polaris and Magneto, I'm just saying. 🙄 Im not going to say "easily" anymore. I was saying that to screw with you all because you all get heated. 😠 .... 😆
Suspend aspects Storm's powerset of highend EM manipulation all you want.
What's ALSO crazy is the fact that Mageto has to be hooked up to MACHINE to do feats that take MUUUUUUUUUUCH less Magnetic Field strength than diamagnetic Manipulation. PIS much?? Bad writing much?? SHould we speculate and say "Oh, the circumstances should not allow etc etc"
I say she still wins though. 😱
*Sigh* forum rules.