Galactus vs the Dreaming Celestial

Originally posted by leonidas

i hear you, and i've acknowledged that normal galactus MAY be able to do what the altered galactus could do. from what i've seen of galactus, he would never willingly consume the amount of energy it would require to match the DC. COULD he? maybe. i've never seen him do it, of his own volition. and supposing for a moment that he WAS capable, why on earth would the DC let him ever GET to that point? it's not like g just walks up to cosmic entities and sucks their energy. and it's not like the DC would sity idly by and WATCH him consume energy to match him.

had the stip in the match been full-power g (whatever THAT is) then . . . i'd have styed out of the thread. i presume this is standard galactus. every case i've heard FOR him implies he needs to amp to get to DC's level -- no reason DC would LET him amp.

Originally posted by leonidas

tenebrous has a decent case with a hyperspace attack, but it seems the DC could counter that given its level of power and its supposed 'unkillability'. a whole HOST couldn't do more than put him to sleep.

Originally posted by leonidas

we've seen celestials attacks billions of times/sec against the beyonder on many levels of reality simultaneously.
a universal reality warper says celestials are well beyond him
(if it was as easy as a hyperspace attack, i'd think kubik wouldn't be so impressed by them . . .)

Same could be said about truly written normal Galactus,
especially when we see 616 Galactus,
with the authority to erase universal concepts like the PF.

Originally posted by leonidas

when g failed against the goblin force the celestials stopped it (though they had the numbers, but still, that speaks to a measure of hierarchy to me).

I think it's interesting how Uatu says,

"Even mighty Galactus fell"

We have yet to see Celestials used their full power

The Celestial Host could not find a way to kill Tiamut. What will Galactus do that a handful of Celestials failed to do?

Pull out the ultimate nullifier?

Enter a slug fest, and duke it out like he did with Tenebrous?

IMO Celestials have the best consistent track record out off all the marvel cosmic characters. Possibly any marvel character.

Edit - I really hope, marvel decides to pick up on Proemial Gods. They seem just as interesting as the Celestials.

the second host as a collective could not defeat the "greatest of them all"
and galactus is arguably weaker than the celestials. he has to use tools that work against him, and there is only one

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the second host as a collective could not defeat the "greatest of them all"
and galactus is arguably weaker than the celestials. he has to use tools that work against him, and there is only one

They defeated him. What you mean to say is, they didn't kill him. They buried him under the mountain and Tiamut had all that time to realize he didn't have the power to overcome the hosts...so he needed a way of revenge. Only after the Deviants came and started worshiping him and providing him the means to get out of his prison did he put his plan in action.

And to get revenge, Tiamut used Galactus.

2nd host>>Tiamut. Tiamut with external source of power (Galactus)>2nd host

Originally posted by id369
The Celestial Host could not find a way to kill Tiamut. What will Galactus do that a handful of Celestials failed to do?

Pull out the ultimate nullifier?

Enter a slug fest, and duke it out like he did with Tenebrous?

IMO Celestials have the best consistent track record out off all the marvel cosmic characters. Possibly any marvel character.

Edit - I really hope, marvel decides to pick up on Proemial Gods. They seem just as interesting as the Celestials.

From the scans of the battle between Tiamut and the 2nd host...that's pretty much what they had, a slugfest until the "Weapon" was pulled out.

The Proemial Gods are all dead...it would be interesting to see their internal civil war but we already know the end result. Galactus kills their leader and imprisons the remaining three of them in the kyln by uknown means.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Makes sense, but at the same time remember Galactus didn't reach a point,
he was simply devouring space and time uncontrollably,
he never even passed that alternate universe (though that outcome was definite)
the Black Celestial was absorbed likewise,
and it didn't take Galactus absorbing the entire Universe,
to reach the point where he could absorb Taimut.
so imo, he can absorb Taimut again from the get,
assuming he can kick in that mad feeding frenzy at will.

That's a technical debate and requires more thought.

True, but we've never seen Celestials manipulate universes either,
yet we know they are above universal warpers.

Same could be said about truly written normal Galactus,
especially when we see 616 Galactus,
with the authority to erase universal concepts like the PF.

Yea but at the expense of the devastation of their entire race.

I think it's interesting how Uatu says,

"[B]Even mighty Galactus fell" [/B]

Isn't that scan from an alternate earth/alternate G/alternate host

Originally posted by guy222

We have yet to see Celestials used their full power

Yep those're the scans i'm talkin about

Trust Guy

Originally posted by Mr Master
assuming he can kick in that mad feeding frenzy at will.

that's abig assumption, imo, and given your penchant for on-panel proof, i'm a little surprised you'd take that stance. do you think he could activate that level of power-absorption against ANYONE? if you believe he was going to absorb the omniverse then conceiveably he can defeat ANY cosmic, no?

That's a technical debate and requires more thought.

fair enough. i'd also think that if he were such a threat, they would work as a race to destroy him, but perhaps even altogether they lack the power?

True, but we've never seen Celestials manipulate universes either,
yet we know they are above universal warpers.

Same could be said about truly written normal Galactus,
especially when we see 616 Galactus,
with the authority to erase universal concepts like the PF.

true, but g needed equipment/tech and apparently some prep to try and erase the PF in that excalibur arc. AND phoenix didn't fight him, she acceded to his wishes.

Yea but at the expense of the devastation of their entire race.

I think it's interesting how Uatu says,

"Even mighty Galactus fell"

that's true, which is why i didn't bring it up earlier. 😬

i stand my original thought. g is potentially capable of defeating DC, but he'd need amping. standard g loses imo.

Originally posted by id369
The Celestial Host could not find a way to kill Tiamut. What will Galactus do that a handful of Celestials failed to do?

Pull out the ultimate nullifier?

Enter a slug fest, and duke it out like he did with Tenebrous?

IMO Celestials have the best consistent track record out off all the marvel cosmic characters. Possibly any marvel character.

Edit - I really hope, marvel decides to pick up on Proemial Gods. They seem just as interesting as the Celestials.

A celestial have been killed two times in all of marvel history. To think that Galactus could duplicate that feat is imo unlikely seeing as one of the incidents in question was the Heart of the Universe however destroying the Physical form of the Celestials, there shell, have happened a couple of times, (Sue doing it Thor doing it)

Also when entering the hole discussion on the Black Celestial act I think it's important to remember that Tiamut managed to manipulate Galactus while he was only severely weakend (I believe It was during the Time where Reed where trying to save him) only at that point of time and because galactus was present on Earth was the DC capable of tampering with his mind.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Isn't that scan from an alternate earth/alternate G/alternate host

I believe it was reality 1298 Tenebrous

Id give it to galctus. I was under the impression that Tiamut needed galactuses powers to destroy the universe/ celestials. Also with his continuous reference to galctus as the greatest weapon( which should mean greater dn himself) i would think that he knew galctus was capable of doing something he could not do. He however had to alter galactus mentality ( his hunger) in order for him to become insatiable.
However IMO him calling galctus the greatest weapon describe his view of galctus power. Big G for d win

But why was Big G afraid when Tiamut awoke 500,000 yrs later

For my friend for life, Utrigita

Thor did manage to crack Exitar's dome. Exitar still carried out his mission. Thor was spared because he was 'part' of the good that resided in Pangoria

Where's it say that the Black Celestial, and Tiamut are one in the same?

I can't recall that right off hand, so if someone can show me, it would be most appreciated. 🙂

Originally posted by guy222
But why was Big G afraid when Tiamut awoke 500,000 yrs later

For my friend for life, Utrigita

Thor did manage to crack Exitar's dome. Exitar still carried out his mission. Thor was spared because he was 'part' of the good that resided in Pangoria

Imo it is because that Galactus for some reason they what happened during the Black Celestial Act, Galactus is maybe fearing that it would happen again him becoming a "tool" for another being which when it has occured have maked Galactus rather angry and as said before Galactus has faced far more powerful beings then Tiamut without fear but he fears Tiamut, that doesn't make sens to me.

You are mine too Guy 😄

Yes he did with something that resembles a planetdestroying attack, Beta Ray Bill Thor equal in strength used a combined Fly and Hit against Galactus (in previous series Beta had destroyed Planets with both a hit and by flying into them) he combines it and it makes only a small crack in the armor of Galactus says something about Galactus durability in comparison to one of the greatest celestial.

Originally posted by Galan007
Where's it say that the Black Celestial, and Tiamut are one in the same?

I can't recall that right off hand, so if someone can show me, it would be most appreciated. 🙂

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Originally posted by Utrigita
Imo it is because that Galactus for some reason they what happened during the Black Celestial Act, Galactus is maybe fearing that it would happen again him becoming a "tool" for another being which when it has occured have maked Galactus rather angry and as said before Galactus has faced far more powerful beings then Tiamut without fear but he fears Tiamut, that doesn't make sens to me.

You are mine too Guy 😄

Yes he did with something that resembles a planetdestroying attack, Beta Ray Bill Thor equal in strength used a combined Fly and Hit against Galactus (in previous series Beta had destroyed Planets with both a hit and by flying into them) he combines it and it makes only a small crack in the armor of Galactus says something about Galactus durability in comparison to one of the greatest celestial.

Agreed, Galctus has faced more powerful foes without fear. And i also think it might not have been tiamut directly that galctus feared but it might be related to what happened between them earlier

Originally posted by Utrigita
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Originally posted by Utrigita
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Originally posted by Galan007
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