Ultimate Colossus versus Hercules

Originally posted by masterbruce
I know my greek mythology...Marvel comics Hercules isn't the same as greek mythology hercules.

You're calling me an idiot yet you think someone could stand on the edge of the earth (just a clue, the earth is a sphere, even in comics, there are no edges, you dumb illiterate d1ck)

so once again you are wrong.

you are arguing logic in a universe where a man shoots optic blasts from his eyes, and others are born with wings.

*edit* oh yeah and ummmm...i dunno kiss my ass, or something of that nature, whatever you kids say to "diss" each other these days.

Originally posted by masterbruce
think about it, if he had the strength to lift the world, he should be able to beat other powerhouses like Hulk with his pinky (considering Hulk struggles to lift a mountain, which isn't even 1/1,000,000th the weight of earth)

Originally posted by bigbran
Agreed... but meh...
Also Thor has lifted the weight of the world...

Originally posted by King KAM
when he lifted the midgard serpent, and thor has said it himself that hercules is his physical superior.

Nope, they are equal in physical strength, while Thor said that Herc was slightly better in fighting skills.

Originally posted by bigbran
Yup.

Nope, they are equal in physical strength, while Thor said that Herc was slightly better in fighting skills.

Originally posted by King KAM
i coulda swore different but...ill see, you could be right.

Originally posted by Soljer
Herc holding the world may have been Hyperbole.

He actually pulled manhattan.

Originally posted by bigbran
They have always been equal... in my mind anyway...
Also, the last fight they had in Blood Oath, had Thor saying they were equal in strength... but Herc had the slight skill edge, and then he put Thor in choke after he suprised him with it...

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Ult. Juggernaut is Stronger than Ult. Colossus.

Colossus was in his metal form before Juggernaut attacked the Mansion. The writer even commented that Juggernaut knocked the metal right out of him. I am pretty sure they don't meet again. If so, someone correct me.

either way he took colossus by surprize so it wasn't a real fight. even so it's still pis because of the low low low showings ult. jugs has had after that. After that he didn't have any showing that would but him on the level of colossus in any way. He was took down by a kick to the stomach from cap, and was taken down by gambit even after having the gen of cytorock by a falling (half finished if even that) building. So yeah colossus is still the strongest mutant in ULT. MU

Originally posted by King KAM
marvel hercules did indeed do the 12 labors that greek hercules did.

so once again you are wrong.

you are arguing logic in a universe where a man shoots optic blasts from his eyes, and others are born with wings.

*edit* oh yeah and ummmm...i dunno kiss my ass, or something of that nature, whatever you kids say to "diss" each other these days.

it still needs to make some kind of sense. Also I thought the myth went that herc lifted the entire world not just the heavens. lifting he heavens is not that big of deal since it weights less then air.

Originally posted by jasofisc
either way he took colossus by surprize so it wasn't a real fight. even so it's still pis because of the low low low showings ult. jugs has had after that. After that he didn't have any showing that would but him on the level of colossus in any way. He was took down by a kick to the stomach from cap, and was taken down by gambit even after having the gen of cytorock by a falling (half finished if even that) building. So yeah colossus is still the strongest mutant in ULT. MU

I am just going by what the writer said. I don't believe it was completely by surprise, the mansion was being attacked before they sent him in I believe. As for Gambit, it wasn't indicated that he was beat or not. Most believe he wasn't. Anyways, why would he care about a guy with normal human durability after a building had fallen on him?

Colossus took hits from Thor and Ironman no problem. So Juggs taking him out is a huge feat.

Do you happen to know of any issues of when Juggernaut appeared or the arc he appeared in? I have been having trouble locating the issues.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I'd just like to clarify that Ult. Juggy took Ult. Colossus completely by surprise. Were they to meet again and ready for each other, I think the tables would be completely turned.

And it's not like Ult. Colossus is weak. He's had some amazing feats. You only need to check his respect thread (it's combined with the 616 Colossus thread) to see them.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
I am just going by what the writer said. I don't believe it was completely by surprise, the mansion was being attacked before they sent him in I believe. As for Gambit, it wasn't indicated that he was beat or not. Most believe he wasn't. Anyways, why would he care about a guy with normal human durability after a building had fallen on him?

Colossus took hits from Thor and Ironman no problem. So Juggs taking him out is a huge feat.

Do you happen to know of any issues of when Juggernaut appeared or the arc he appeared in? I have been having trouble locating the issues.

Yeah but juggs wanted rogue not necessarily to beat up gambit. So after gambit was beat juggs should have continued to go after rogue which he didn't most likely because he couldn't. the mansion was being attack at another corner then collosus was at he wouldn't have know the danger and juggs rushed into the school so fast that the windows broke.

um 7-12 (the weapon x story line) and I can't remember the others besides ultimate war 1. other then that i could search though the uncanny x-men.net site under the issue summaries but i don't want to.